Bose Acoustimass 10 and Yamaha 663

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mwchut

Audiophyte
I had a good friend give me a Bose speaker setup and 663 as a birthday present recently. She even paid someone to come in and cable it and install it (I am crippled and can't do it myself). I have been twiddling with it since to try and get the sound just right but I fear I may be doing something wrong. Can anyone give me tips on settings for it and/or my blu-ray player if need be to get optimal sound? Does it need an additional powered sub maybe? I went to BOSE store nearby and it sounds really good in there on the Denon receiver they had it on so I know they can sound good. Is a different receiver the trick?

TIA

Mike
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
No, a new receiver won't do the trick.

What do you feel is lacking?

Keep in mind the setup at the Bose store is orchastrated by Bose to sound awesome the exact way it's configured there, that doesn't mean you can or will have the same results in your home.
 
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mwchut

Audiophyte
When I put a blu-ray movie in it doesn't feel like there is enough vocal coming from the center channel. I can hear the movie the best when I have it set for 7 channel enhanced but that doesn't seem right. Also should I be using the audio feed from an optical cable or the HDMI? Is the auto setup suitable or should I do a complete manual setup?

TIA

Mike
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
When I put a blu-ray movie in it doesn't feel like there is enough vocal coming from the center channel. I can hear the movie the best when I have it set for 7 channel enhanced but that doesn't seem right. Also should I be using the audio feed from an optical cable or the HDMI? Is the auto setup suitable or should I do a complete manual setup?

TIA

Mike
For the receiver: Automatic setup of the balance and delay (aka "distance") is usually best (though you might want to have someone measure the distances to make sure it gets it right). The BD (Blu-ray) player should be hooked up to the receiver via HDMI for best sound (and there should be an HDMI connection from the receiver to your HDTV to send the video to your TV). You probably want the receiver set to surround decode ("Sur. Decoder"; see pages 50 & 78 of the manual) for watching movies, as that way you will be getting the intended balance for multichannel sources. For decoding Pro Logic encoded surround (i.e., typical surround that is encoded into two standard channels), you select the same thing, but within that you have a choice between standard Pro Logic (which will exactly decode most such sources) or you can choose Pro Logic II if you prefer (though I personally do not, many people do).

If you select one of the other modes, you will be altering the original in some manner or other, and that might leave you with an unsatisfactory balance of sound, though you should use them if you like them. But try the settings I suggest above and see if that solves your problem.


For the BD (Blu-ray) player, you should set the audio to output via HDMI, as raw or unprocessed or bitstream or whatever it is called in your manual that does not alter the digital signal that is on the source, as you will be using the receiver for decoding and/or processing.


I hope you have set up your speakers as recommended in your manuals, as that will matter for getting good sound. And while I am mentioning manuals, ALWAYS read them for your audio equipment.
 
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mwchut

Audiophyte
Thank you for the tips.. One of my friends thought that maybe the quality of my blu-ray play may have something to do with the lack of balance. I have a Sony player that I got from costco about 2 years ago. It works well but it may not be the best quality player.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Thank you for the tips.. One of my friends thought that maybe the quality of my blu-ray play may have something to do with the lack of balance. I have a Sony player that I got from costco about 2 years ago. It works well but it may not be the best quality player.

It is not likely a problem with the player. It is most likely a problem with the settings, probably in the receiver.

Please let us know if the advice above solves your problem.


If all else fails, you can alter the balance of the channels by manually increasing the level of the center channel, but I recommend that you set things as I suggest in my previous post and see if that works for you rather than muck about with the levels manually, as that is not an ideal solution and should not be necessary. The automatic setup should get the levels of the different channels right.
 
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mwchut

Audiophyte
Thank you. I will try these tips when I get home tonight and let you know how it goes. Maybe my boss will let me leave early.. :)
 
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mwchut

Audiophyte
Good morning

So I tried the tips you gave me and they helped. However my Blu-ray player doesn't seem to have a bitstream type mode. There is a downmix PCM mode and that is the only setting i could find in the audio settings. It is a BDP-1 or something like that from costco. My friend brought over his PS3 and we hooked it up and it was a lot better than my player. He seems to have a lot more control over the audio settings as well. Should I invest in a better player or buy a PS3??

TIA

Mike
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
The BDP-S1



Sony's first consumer Blu-ray player in the US market. It's slow, it doesn't have many features, but it is a solid machine.

You are correct, it will not bitstream. It can decode Dolby TrueHD internally and output 5.1 LPCM to the receiver. It can't decode DTS-HD internally, so it downmixes it to legacy DTS. Upgrading your Blu-ray player could yield several advantages for simplicity sake alone.

The BDP-S1 resells on ebay around the $60-70 range before shipping. You could put that toward a new Blu-ray player.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Good morning

So I tried the tips you gave me and they helped. However my Blu-ray player doesn't seem to have a bitstream type mode. There is a downmix PCM mode and that is the only setting i could find in the audio settings. It is a BDP-1 or something like that from costco. My friend brought over his PS3 and we hooked it up and it was a lot better than my player. He seems to have a lot more control over the audio settings as well. Should I invest in a better player or buy a PS3??

TIA

Mike
From what Seth=L says, I would just have the player decode and send multichannel PCM to the receiver, and not bother replacing the player until it fails, or cannot do something you need it to do. But do save some money for the time when you will want something that it can't do.
 
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mwchut

Audiophyte
Well I have been thinking about buying a new player. I have about 500 to spend. What is a good one that can connect to the internet and decode the formats I need?
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Well I have been thinking about buying a new player. I have about 500 to spend. What is a good one that can connect to the internet and decode the formats I need?
You don't need the player to decode the formats if your receiver can decode them. The only reason to use the player to decode them is if: 1) your player cannot output the raw data (which is what Seth=L says of your player) or 2) your receiver cannot decode it. If the player is doing the decoding and sending multichannel PCM to your receiver via HDMI, it should sound exactly the same as if the receiver decoded it. A new BD player should also sound exactly the same (unless different settings are selected that affect the sound, but then it is an issue of different settings, not that one player sounds better than another).


From looking again at the manual to your receiver, there is another detail that I should have mentioned. With the auto setup, your receiver also applies frequency equalization. You should have it set to "Flat" in order for it to give you a flat response. See pages 32-36. You will be able to see the settings it has selected, and you can double check them for yourself to make sure that it gets things right (sometimes receivers automatically pick "large" for speakers when they should pick "small", for example, but typically they get the distance and levels pretty well right).

You might also want to read the section that follows that on "SCENE" (that, by the way, is an unusual Yamaha use of the word, not a standard one for such presets, so many people, even if well-informed about audio, are likely to not know what that word means in this context) on pages 37-41 and set your own preset for when you get things as you like them.

If, after redoing the automatic setup with "Flat" selected, and if you still are unhappy with the sound (keeping in mind the settings I have already mentioned above), then I would recommend that you just turn up the center channel if you are still having trouble with the dialog, though you should not need to do so.

Basically, if you are having trouble hearing dialog, either:

  1. the settings are wrong in some way (the solution being to correct the settings),
  2. the speakers are not adequately clear with the relevant frequencies (the solution being getting better speakers),
  3. the acoustics of your room are dreadful (if you hear an echo in your room when you clap your hands, as in an empty room, you need things in there to absorb sound for it to sound right),
  4. the speakers are not properly located in the room, or
  5. the actors are mumbling or the disc was improperly recorded or mastered (which can only be solved by playing a different movie).
The sound is not going to be bad from either the receiver or the player, unless there is a serious malfunction, which should be evident in some other way as well. If you are planing to replace your BD player because you are having trouble hearing dialog, you will be throwing away your money.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
You are doing an exceptional job assisting mwchut. If I could leave you feedback again I would, but I'm sure I'll have another opportunity to do so.:)

If you want a good Blu-ray player with internet connectivity and a host of options such as Netbox streaming service (pay per month) you don't need to spend $500. Virtually any player available today, if not all, will output the raw data over HDMI for the surround formats that Blu-ray utilizes. You could spend less than $200 on a Blu-ray player that would run circles around the old Sony in load times, features, and you'll likely have less read errors. The biggest problem with the BDP-S1 is the lack of Ethernet connectivity so its firmware can only be updated by disc. This means if you buy a new movie, and it won't play correctly on the BDP-S1 that you have to contact Sony and request them to send you the most current firmware update on disc before you can even watch the movie you just purchased. Since software changes far more often than it ever did on DVD there's a chance you'd have to do this several times over the lifetime of the BDP-S1.

I would absolutely recommend getting a new Blu-ray player. I'd take a hard look at Panasonic, Sony, LG, and Samsung. Panasonic would be my personal preference as I feel they offer a better value overall. The other manufacturers offer exeptional machines as well.
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
just a note, make sure the speaker size setting is to large with BOSE AM series.
 

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