Bookshelf spks and Amp as PC speakers

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lucassean

Audioholic Intern
Hi

I'm doing some insane research on all the products to set up a 2.0 PC speaker system using two bookshelf speakers and an amp. The budget is $600.00. Currently I have a set of Samson Media One 5a active monitors. I'm not satisfied with them. They seems very fatiguing. I'm always adjusting the EQ in iTunes to find the best sound. I like bass, but not muddy. I guess I want the best most natural representation of the frequencies. I live in Tampa, FL and have found a dealer, other than the mass merchants, who carries Paradigm. They're only open during the week. I want to go hear the Atom. I've heard Usher s520's a couple years ago powered by a Fatman tube amp. They sounded great. So anyway, I need some advice, experience, or suggestions. Thanks !
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Hi

I'm doing some insane research on all the products to set up a 2.0 PC speaker system using two bookshelf speakers and an amp. The budget is $600.00. Currently I have a set of Samson Media One 5a active monitors. I'm not satisfied with them. They seems very fatiguing. I'm always adjusting the EQ in iTunes to find the best sound. I like bass, but not muddy. I guess I want the best most natural representation of the frequencies. I live in Tampa, FL and have found a dealer, other than the mass merchants, who carries Paradigm. They're only open during the week. I want to go hear the Atom. I've heard Usher s520's a couple years ago powered by a Fatman tube amp. They sounded great. So anyway, I need some advice, experience, or suggestions. Thanks !
What bit rate are you using? In order for the music to sound decent, you have to use the highest bur rates. 128K can't sound as good as a .wav file and through a real system, 192K can't either. !92K is OK for ear buds and some headphones but for a real attempt at sound quality, it has to contain more data than an extremely compressed file. The better the sound card is, the better the sound will be, too.
 
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lucassean

Audioholic Intern
The files are Apple lossless imports of my CD's. The soundcard is creative x-fi extreme audio. I have a lot of high end home and portable stuff. I can't stand anything below 320kbps. I want to hear the wow factor. Thanks.
 
anamorphic96

anamorphic96

Audioholic General
Hi

I'm doing some insane research on all the products to set up a 2.0 PC speaker system using two bookshelf speakers and an amp. The budget is $600.00. Currently I have a set of Samson Media One 5a active monitors. I'm not satisfied with them. They seems very fatiguing. I'm always adjusting the EQ in iTunes to find the best sound. I like bass, but not muddy. I guess I want the best most natural representation of the frequencies. I live in Tampa, FL and have found a dealer, other than the mass merchants, who carries Paradigm. They're only open during the week. I want to go hear the Atom. I've heard Usher s520's a couple years ago powered by a Fatman tube amp. They sounded great. So anyway, I need some advice, experience, or suggestions. Thanks !
Check out the KRK Rokit Generation 2 monitors. They sound very impressive with a clean tight bass and non fatiguing sound.

Here is an accurate reveiw of what I experienced.

http://www.avguide.com/review/tested-krk-rokit-6-powered-loudspeaker

Plus you would save a couple hundred with the KRK's.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
I'm also Tampa.

I've got that setup. I was running with a pair of Paradigm S2's, but those got re-tasked for the home theater and so now I've got a pair of PSB 400i's (circa 1989) attached to what was my Sony HT AVR. I'm very happy with the sound. Just added an (overkill) B&W AS6 subwoofer I picked up of Craigslist on Saturday.

Paradigm's a good brand, and well suited to this task. I haven't played with the Atoms, but you could likely pick up a pair of older Studio 20's online within that price range (I'm hoping to eventually move my Studio 40s to the PC as the HT moves to Signatures)

Do remember, if you are not going to get a sub, to get something with some decent range to it to avoid the tinny sound. It likely wouldn't be bad to get a receiver that lest you cut-off the bottom frequencies as well.
 
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lucassean

Audioholic Intern
I'm also Tampa.

I've got that setup. I was running with a pair of Paradigm S2's, but those got re-tasked for the home theater and so now I've got a pair of PSB 400i's (circa 1989) attached to what was my Sony HT AVR. I'm very happy with the sound. Just added an (overkill) B&W AS6 subwoofer I picked up of Craigslist on Saturday.

Paradigm's a good brand, and well suited to this task. I haven't played with the Atoms, but you could likely pick up a pair of older Studio 20's online within that price range (I'm hoping to eventually move my Studio 40s to the PC as the HT moves to Signatures)

Do remember, if you are not going to get a sub, to get something with some decent range to it to avoid the tinny sound. It likely wouldn't be bad to get a receiver that lest you cut-off the bottom frequencies as well.

Great info !! That's what I'm looking for. Thank you very much.
 
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mudrummer99

Senior Audioholic
Check out the KRK Rokit Generation 2 monitors. They sound very impressive with a clean tight bass and non fatiguing sound.

Here is an accurate reveiw of what I experienced.

http://www.avguide.com/review/tested-krk-rokit-6-powered-loudspeaker

Plus you would save a couple hundred with the KRK's.
I also throw my vote at the KRK's. I have a pair of them for my computer and they are great. They replaced a bookshelf/amp setup. The fact that the KRK speakers are designed for near-field listening makes a huge difference. Most bookshelves are designed to be heard from several feet away where these speakers are designed to be heard within a couple feet, making them ideal for computer setups.

Mike
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
One thing that had crossed my mind (been wanting to play with the new EMPs) would be a pair of their bookshelves ($200) and a sub ($300). There's free shipping and (I believe) a return policy. If you go that route, I'd like to hear it.

There are, BTW, two Paradigm dealers in Tampa that I know if. I assume you are going to Sensual Sounds? There's another on the west side of Dale Mabry north of MLK (I think north of Hillsborough, but I can't quite picture the exact location). They specialize in audio, but have a decent home AV.

Also "AV Solutions" on Henderson just east of Dale Mabry (no Paradigm, but lots of neat toys including B&W and Lynn), and, of course Speaker Exchange on the north side of Hillsborough east of 275 (again, no Paradigm).
 
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lucassean

Audioholic Intern
I went to Maximum Audio on the southbound lane of Dale Mabry. It's between Waters and Hillsborough on the corner of Hamilton. I spoke with Troy who was very good. I bought the Paradigm Atoms. They sounded exactly as what I was looking for. Now on to an amp. I guess I need to switch to the "amplification" forum. This is fun. Thanks everyone for your thoughts and input.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
I went to Maximum Audio on the southbound lane of Dale Mabry. It's between Waters and Hillsborough on the corner of Hamilton. I spoke with Troy who was very good. I bought the Paradigm Atoms. They sounded exactly as what I was looking for. Now on to an amp. I guess I need to switch to the "amplification" forum. This is fun. Thanks everyone for your thoughts and input.
That was the one I couldn't remember the name of. Nice guys.

Amp is easy... go hunt craigslist. There are some cheap Denon in the 1907-range that would be excellent (I like them over older stereo amps because I've become a huge fan of auto calibration).

One of these days I want to move over to a fatboy tube amp or the like. They just look so retro-sci-fi.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
What bit rate are you using? In order for the music to sound decent, you have to use the highest bur rates. 128K can't sound as good as a .wav file and through a real system, 192K can't either. !92K is OK for ear buds and some headphones but for a real attempt at sound quality, it has to contain more data than an extremely compressed file. The better the sound card is, the better the sound will be, too.
Have you seen some of the ABX tests on this. Check out hydrogen audio if you're interested. I have hi-fi headphones and can't tell the difference between compressed at 256k and a cd on every recording I've tried.

My current hypothesis is that many CD recordings are done at a level of quality that negates the difference between the 2 formats. Perhaps you have some recordings we could add to the test list. :)

For computer speakers I suggest high quality near field monitors. The Behringer 2031p or 2030p with a sub would both be hard to beat at their price. Wmax measured these and found them to have excellent potential. If you are into mods you can improve the quality vastly too.

For an amplifier I suggest the Behringer ep2500 or the Audio Source AMP100 if cost is a concern.

This setup would greatly smoke any pc speaker system available.
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
Bitrate means nothing by itself. Different encoders will have different results at the same bitrate. The most advanced/transparent at any given rate today is usually the latest version Lame, using the tested encoding presets.

In reality, 256kbps encoding with Lame will result in most music being transparent to most people during most of the time. It's not safe to say always, because you can always find a 'codec buster' recording, though they are very rare. For example, a harpsichord recording, with not much reverb and none or very little accompaniment instruments, will tend to be much more difficult to encode to MP3 as compared to most anything else. There are a handful of instruments/sounds that will be difficult to encode.

One famous DBT involved original studio master vs. 256kbps Lame, using B&W 801 monitors in a studio, using many experienced audio engineers as the test subjects. The end result was no one was able to achieve a score better than 'chance guessing'; around 50%.

I have tried to DBT randomly picked music samples that I encoded with Lame at 256kbps, and was not able to do better than chance guessing under blinded conditions. This is while using extremely high resolution playback hardware. I did not use known difficult to encode samples - which would of course result in a different outcome. My purpose was to determine if I could discern audible differences using the actual music that I enjoy.

In any event, I do prefer to use lossless music files when practical. It would seem the only real cases where MP3s are needed is for portable audio devices and for general distribution on the internet. Hard drive space is so cheap now that it is practical to store most audio collections in lossless formats.

-Chris
 
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WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
OP: the best audio quality in your budget will be obtained by using a pair of Behringer B2030P ($150/pair) speakers combined with a used eBay 1980's receiver of good quality ($40-$60) for amplifications. You also should get decent pair of active subs; the Dayton 8 or 10 inch actives, for $100-$120 each are ideal for this application. Lastly, get a decent active crossover like the Behringer CX2310($80), or preferably the Behringer DCX2496($275). The DCX2496 is an advanced DSP unit and will allow manipulation of the sound to a huge degree, thus allowing you to achieve the sound signature that you prefer.

The B2030P speaker despite it's low cost, is much better made and better performing than anything I know of until you get to several times it's cost. You can also do easy mods to improve it's sound quality. I would not even bother with 'famous' maker speakers in the price range you need to stay within. The Behringers recommended will easily out perform comparably priced units. I realize they seem to cheap to be true. I felt the same way until I actually got to inspect/disassemble and measure/analyze the product. It is the real deal.

Note: If you can find KRK Rokit5 (not Rokit5 G2), it is a superbly well designed and performing active monitor for it's price ($300/pair). I have full measurement sets available upon request. It does not require an external amplifier. I still highly recommend the dual small subs and active crossover. These are critical to overall sound quality.

-Chris
 
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