BMG to Support DVD-A

Clint DeBoer

Clint DeBoer

Banned
<font color='#000000'>Well, according to audiorevolution.com, BMG makes 3 out of the five big media conglomerates to support DVD-A for their upcoming high-resolution audio format. At this point this has gone from pure speculation to as-of-yet-unconfirmed-entirely fact.

As Universal has yet to release any titles on SACD, its &quot;preferred format&quot; we will see if they indeed will be making the move to DVD-A as well. I especially liked this little tidbit from the article:<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">With three of the big five media conglomerates on board for DVD-Audio, students of the high res audio battle are left wondering how long it will be until Universal announces their support for DVD-Audio. UMG came out with a statement saying that Sony’s SACD was a “preferred” format but they refused to rule out DVD-Audio for future releases. Now more than 6 months after the announcement, none of the 25 SACD titles have been released. Sony is currently releasing both stereo and surround sound titles as are a number of smaller, boutique record labels.</td></tr></table></font>
 
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mikenyc

Junior Audioholic
<font color='#000000'>I think they are &quot;running it up the flagpole&quot;, myself, and nothing is firm yet.

I think all of these companies are very timid to make a firm decision of what they will do, and, at first, they will decide on an artist-by-artist basis.

When BMG makes an announcement for what they do about the &quot;new&quot;, to-be-remastered Elvis Presley catalog, then you will know, for sure.

BMG is in the throes of reorganization...with rumors, in the last few days of Bertelsman completely getting rid of their online music service.</font>
 
Clint DeBoer

Clint DeBoer

Banned
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mikenyc : When BMG makes an announcement for what they do about the &quot;new&quot;, to-be-remastered Elvis Presley catalog, then you will know, for sure.

BMG is in the throes of reorganization...with rumors, in the last few days of Bertelsman completely getting rid of their online music service.
Yes, I would say that if anything is sure - it is the fact that the big companies will take their time in making a decision.

Personally, I would like to see a solid format decision soon, as I would desire to see the current crop of CDs to either go the way of the cassette, or drop in price to what a $.25 piece of produced, flattened plastic should really sell for.

Combine this with the RIAA happenings and proposed lawsuits to be coming down the pipeline and you've got an interesting scenario on whether they have much more time to be charging $15.99 for your favorite CD title.

Bring on the new standards adoptions quick, I say.</font>
 
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mikenyc

Junior Audioholic
<font color='#000000'>Don't hold your breath for a list price decline...if anything it will go up, if anything. There may be some kind of &quot;deal&quot; with retailers, so they could discount more to the customer. It's basically, slight of hand, by the Music Companies...but nothing like a genuine, across the board, discount !

The only extras that may be common for the new formats, would be something along the line, in a new release by SONY (specifically, Meatloaf's &quot;Bat Out Of ####&quot;). In that new SACD release, you get a &quot;new&quot; 5.1 Multichannel mix , with certain songs getting wholely &quot;new&quot; overdubs in the multichannel SACD mix, and a whole &quot;created reconstruction&quot; remix of one track.

If you consider that a deal, ok...but for me, it's bordering on insanity, and making a mockery of the whole concept of remastering...it's NOT remastering, in fact, it's deconstruction, to me.

As per the lawsuits, it's basically a &quot;dog and pony show&quot; for the lobbys. I'm sure that on the wrung of the ladder of prosecutable offenses, music file piracy, is very, very low, compared with business commerce theft and national security cases. No matter how hard the RIAA will lobby to get some cases on the docket. The sheer number of cases, versus the ability of the DOJ to assign legal staff to it, just doesn't make it an attractive...i.e. cost effective...endeavor. Also, that a politicians and taxpayers' child, will be subject to prosecution, doesn't make it an attractive political target or priority, at this time. These people are political animals, and dont want to bite, ANY of the hands that feeds them.

As to settling on new formats, it won't happen &quot;officially&quot; that is! It's not in the business interests of the music companies to do this, as sales are, allegedly, already, 7% off, from already dismally low sales, and they are obligated to make money for their stockholders, even if they have to resort to tactics, just short, of mugging customers in the streets.

As with the new Stones Cd's, things like not telling people the Cd's they purchase are SACD or not, or that they may not be compatable with certain Cd players, this is what the Music Companies are literally doing.

It's a sad time for consumers, in general, and it won't get any better for buying Music. Unless you like deconstructed music on your player!</font>
 
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mikenyc

Junior Audioholic
<font color='#000000'>Here's an article that shows you the &quot;muscle&quot;, that SONY is putting behind the Rolling Stone SACD rollout...

&quot;Clear Channel Gets 'Stoned' with Sony and ABKCO

San Antonio, TX (August 30, 2002)--Looks like the SACD format is finally getting some much-needed promotion. Clear Channel Worldwide will team up with Sony Electronics and ABKCO Records in a national campaign that will use the synergy of the nation's largest radio and entertainment promotion company to promote ABKCO's The Rolling Stones Remastered Series and the Super Audio CD format.

During Phase One of this promotion, Clear Channel Radio will run more than 288,000 promotional announcements on nearly 200 radio stations across the country, as well as on Clear Channel websites.

The promotional announcements will include daily giveaways of Sony Super Audio CD players and ABKCO's The Rolling Stones Remastered Series exclusively on hybrid Super Audio CD to coincide with the band's tour. As a grand prize, each promo will highlight the chance for one lucky listener and 10 friends to &quot;Live Like a Rolling Stone&quot; and win an all-expense-paid trip to Las Vegas to see the Stones perform live on Nov. 30.

In the second phase of the campaign, Clear Channel will join Sony and ABKCO in sponsoring a series of 22 local-market promotions specifically designed to motivate listeners to visit retailer stores and personally experience the power of the Rolling Stones on Super Audio CD.&quot;

http://www.prosoundnews.com/stories/2002/august/0830.5.shtml

Something tells me, that this shows how much it means to SONY. 288,000 radio spots is alot of radio time !

The next target on SONY lists...if it wasn't the first...are the Beatles. While it's rumored their remasters...whenever they come out...will be in DVD-A. Their rumored mix for the &quot;Anthology&quot; DVD will be a 5.1 surround sound mix, like &quot;Yellow Submarine&quot; was.

As SONY has control over the Beatle publishing catalog, courtesy of Michael Jackson's virtually handing it over to them, the publishing would be a great bartering tool, to convince the Beatle Partnership to go SACD hybrid.

Imagine how many SACD players THAT would move...certainly more than the Stones or Meatloaf would !</font>
 
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mikenyc

Junior Audioholic
<font color='#000000'>It appears that BMG has made some kind of official move towards SACD.

&quot;BMG RCA Hong Kong Issues Two New SACDs
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In the late 1950's and early 1960's, RCA Records issued a series of albums recorded in &quot;Living Stereo&quot; that were praised for their sonics. Now two of these Living Stereo series albums are making their way to SACD via the BMG RCA label in Hong Kong.

The new BMG RCA SACD releases are &quot;Rhapsodies&quot; conducted by Leopold Stokowski and the RCA Victor Symphony Orchestra and &quot;Gaite Parisienne&quot; by Arthur Fiedler and the Boston Pops. As with BMG RCA's earlier SACD releases, both albums are Hybrid Stereo SACDs which are playable on CD and SACD equipment. Here's more information on these two new releases:

Rhapsodies
Leopold Stokowski conducting the RCA Victor Symphony Orchestra
(BMG RCA HK SACD 47102)

Leopold Stokowski was one of the great personalities of the podium as well as a leading interpreter of Romantic orchestral repertoire. Stokowski's commitment to the emotional impact of classical music is captured on Rhapsodies, his most popular album in the Living Stereo series.

The SACD version of &quot;Rhapsodies&quot; contains over 75 minutes of music. It was recorded in 1961 by Robert Simpson and Lewis Layton.

Album Selections
1. Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody No.2 in C Sharp Minor
2. Enesco's Roumanian Rhapsody No.1 in A Op. 11
3. Smetana's The Moldau
4. The Bartered Bride: Overture
5. Wagner's Tannhauser
6. Overture and Venusberg Music
7. Tristan und Isolde: Prelude to Act III

Gaite Parisienne
by Arthur Fiedler and the Boston Pops
(BMG RCA HK SACD 49821)

This SACD features Arthur Fiedler and the Boston Pops performing Gaîté Parisienne composed by Jacques Offenbach and La Boutique Fantasque composed by Ottorino Respighi. Recorded in June 1954, the album is considered to be one of the best, if not the best recordded of all of the RCA Living Stereo series releases.

Album Selections
1. Gaite Parisienne: Allegro
2. Gaite Parisienne: Allegro Brillante
3. Gaite Parisienne: Polka
4. Gaite Parisienne: Landler: Allegro
5. Gaite Parisienne: Mazurka
6. Gaite Parisienne: Valse
7. Gaite Parisienne: Allegro
8. Gaite Parisienne: Polka
9. Gaite Parisienne: Valse
10. Gaite Parisienne: Tempo Di Marcia
11. Gaite Parisienne: Valse
12. Gaite Parisienne: Allegro Vivo
13. Gaite Parisienne: Valse
14. Gaite Parisienne: Allegro Vivace; Misterioso
15. Gaite Parisienne: Valse
16. Gaite Parisienne: Allegro Vivo
17. Gaite Parisienne: Cancan
18. Gaite Parisienne: Quadrille
19. Gaite Parisienne: Allegro Moderato
20. Gaite Parisienne: Allegro
21. Gaite Parisienne: Vivo
22. Gaite Parisienne: Vivo
23. Gaite Parisienne: Barcarolle
24. La Boutique Fantasque: Overture
25. La Boutique Fantasque: Tarantelle
26. La Boutique Fantasque: Vivo
27. La Boutique Fantasque: Mazurka
28. La Boutique Fantasque: Danse Cosaque
29. La Boutique Fantasque: Cancan
30. La Boutique Fantasque: Valse Lente
31. La Boutique Fantasque: Nocturne
32. La Boutique Fantasque: Galop

Previous BMG RCA Hong Kong Stereo SACD Releases
Earlier this year, BMG RCA Hong Kong issued their first 4 Hybrid Stereo SACDs. They are as follows:


Belafonte at Carnegie Hall by Harry Belafonte (BMG RCA HK SACD 74321894852)

Always In My Heart by Los Indios Tabajaras (BMG RCA HK SACD 7438899902)

The Butterfly Lovers &amp; The Yellow River Concerto (BMG RCA HK SACD 7432189273)

A City of Sadness - Soundtrack Music (BMG RCA HK SACD 7432187650)

For more information on these SACDs (track listings, etc.) see the earlier article on High Fidelity Review which is listed in the HFR web links below.

Availability
In addition to the Hong Kong market, the Stokowski &quot;Rhapsodies&quot; Hybrid Stereo SACD is now available for purchase via the A4 Audio, Elusive Disc and Music Direct web sites.

The A4 Audio web site also has the &quot;Gaite Parisienne&quot; Hybrid Stereo SACD available for purchase.&quot;


http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=19966922</font>
 
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mikenyc

Junior Audioholic
<font color='#000000'>The &quot;Word&quot; From BMG on the Elvis Catalog

A member of an online Elvis fan group posed a question to a BMG employee, involved with Elvis' catalog.

Here's the question that was posed to the BMG contact...

&quot;....the possible format(cd/sacd/ dvda?) for the E1 release and future format releases for the elvis catologue and ive been promised a reply soon.
this was the email i got...

&quot; *****

I will have our A &amp; R technician who is working on the technical audio production and mixing of the E1 record respond to your directly with this update. Answers should be forthcoming soon&quot;


Here's the post/answer....

&quot;&quot;Hi ****,


As you must know this is a very difficult question to answer right now. All of the labels are undecided on the universal format as you might have heard. Labels are lining up behind both formats. We here at BMG are looking at and considering DVD Audio/DVD video ac3 Dolby digital 5.1, however it will be able to be played on an sacd player that plays DVD video as well. Not confused enough yet? To do this it needs to be authored correctly when mastered as DVD is 98 bit and DVD video is 48 bit.

There are mixes of Elvis number ones in 5.1 DVD/Audio/Video however, We are weighing our options on release, format, timing, and obviously do not want to steal any thunder from our upcoming Stereo release as you may well understand.

I hope that answers some of your questions, this is all new to
the industry and we are all just learning how to react. regards,

David Bendeth&quot;

It will be interesting to see how this figures into what the Beatles will do.</font>
 
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mikenyc

Junior Audioholic
<font color='#000000'>Here's an interview with the co-producer of &quot;Elvis No.1's&quot;...

The following is an interview with David Bendeth co producer of the Elvis number ones CD who has kindly gave permission to share this interview with all fans.

Interviewed by Kevan Budd…
DB...Wow Kevan are you writing a book? You ask many intelligent questions and I even understand some of them, so I will try. Some are unanswerable at this time so please work with me, thanks!
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KB...please you could tell me if the new number ones cd will be available with DVD audio or SACD audio or just plain cd? And will the Elvis catalogue when re issued be in SACD or DVD audio or copyright protected audio? As many fans are asking these questions.
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DB...Thanks for your note and question. As you must know this is a very difficult question to answer right now. All of the labels are undecided on the universal format as you might have heard. Labels are lining up behind both formats. We here at BMG are looking at and considering DVD Audio/DVD video ac3 Dolby digital 5.1, however it will be able to be played on an SACD player that plays DVD video as well. Not confused enough yet? To do this it needs to be authored correctly when mastered, as DVD is 98 bit and DVD video is 48 bit. There are mixes of Elvis number ones in 5.1 DVD/Audio/Video however, We are weighing our options on release, format, timing, and obviously do not want to steal any thunder from our upcoming Stereo release as you may well understand. I hope that answers some of your questions, this is all new to the industry and we are all just learning how to react.
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KB...regarding formats to be used by BMG for the E1s I was shown this article (link) about a format that appears to possibly have some of the answers for compatibility without loss of quality?..... http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=10314719 and I was wondering if BMG may even be considering this format or would licensing be an issue?
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DB...Formats have been chosen for this release. They are cross-platform and entail DVD Audio/DVD Video and SACD video... I am not familiar with this new format, but I will read about it, thanks. When the surround war ends and the dust settles we will have a VHS machine!!!! The funny thing for me is that no one really knows where to sit in the room or where to place the speakers anyway. The learning curve on surround will be slow at best, hope that helps. DB
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KB...could I just ask if in your own personal opinion do you feel the higher spec/resolution of DVDA or SACD will give a noticeable sound improvement to the Elvis Presley catalogue...leaving multichannel to one side for the moment.
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DB... I feel that the higher resolution sound has to be taken in context. The human ear can only identify so many frequencies. The biggest challenge with this sound difference is going to be personal stereo systems and room acoustics, if favorable you will hear a difference in higher resolution. Hopefully that is not vague, If not &quot;hear it&quot; you will &quot;feel &quot; it.
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KB...there has also been a lot of talk regarding some new found tapes from iron mountain coming from moldy tape boxes etc...Could you please expand on this and could you say in particular what specific tapes were of most interest and why and were these master tapes or complete session tapes? Also could you say if the tapes were stored at Iron Mountain All Along or were only recently (in the last few years) moved there?
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DB...Ah the moldy tapes, this has been a thorn in my side! Some of the boxes were tattered and a little moldy, they have been kept at Iron Mountain for quite a while...can't give you the exact date. I have used some different versions for E1 on purpose as I believe there were better undiscovered performances. That is my prerogative as a producer, I will let you as the expert be the judge. As far as the tapes themselves, some were session tapes some compiled, some incomplete, some with no oxide, some with bad leaders some as if new. I am not the keeper of the gate, however I did find some great outtakes, I am not sure that they were amazing technically, but certainly interesting from a historical standpoint. I did not pick the songs or the historical significance on this record, just the creative.
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KB...most fans are very interested to hear the version of hound dog on the set as it is now well know that bmg did not use a good master tape for that release as it has been released a few times from a better generation master...such as on the rhino billboard 1956 cd release.
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DB...Hound dog: we used the original master recorded in two track mono. We removed the &quot;bad noisy side&quot; and continued on our merry way. I think it is still harsh yet is better than what I have heard...all again is subjective
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KB... also there has been some disappointed Elvis fans regarding the sound of the old BMG Elvis releases, as generally it is felt that they used too much hiss reduction and a very narrow stereo image...as some tracks were mixed to near mono on the today tomorrow and forever set. Also there now seems to be a trend at bmg to hard limit the sound to boost the volume at the expense of the true dynamics...that I personally feel is unnecessary.
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DB...We used none or hardly any noise reduction on anything at any time, there is NO narrow band stereo imaging, and the limiters and compressors were all &quot;over easy&quot; allowing the tracks to breathe and retain the integrity of the original dynamics. All songs were mixed to half inch ATR 30 ips analog tape machines using competitive curves and slopes, there is no trickery or sleight of hand!!
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KB...so far all those that have heard the promo discs from the E1 cd are very positive about the sound and I'm really looking forward to hearing it. So could I ask if your new team will now be in charge of all the Elvis Presley catalogue mixing and mastering and what will be the method of releasing the new Elvis Presley catalog.
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DB...New sound: I really can't speak for what happened before and to be honest it is none of my business. I like to keep a positive approach with music. Mixing records is not a line of work you need to be in if you are sensitive at all. Myself, Ray Bardani, George Marino and Ted Jensen have hundreds of Records under our belt from John Lennon to Bob Marley, Prince to Luther Vandross, Mettalica to Guns and Roses, The Eagles to Bruce Hornsby. We all recognized our limitations early with what we were given and gave it our best. We hope you like it, If not please refer to old records... The Future: We tried something new, we think its great (obviously) We will now wait to see if this is as important as we think it is and see what the public thinks. I would love to do some more if it was the right situation and concept but until then, we remain unclear as to what the team will do next. There has been a lot of outside interest in our methods. It is not easy to work with a deceased artist, it becomes harder to guess what they would like. Now I knew from doing this before that I have not given you everything you need as info. I have given you the truth as I see it. I know the Elvis fans are very picky and I respect that, it is their right!! I come from a musicians background I am not a marketer or a promotions man, so please be patient. I trust this information is for yourself, correct? Many thanks in advance for your understanding and patience, regards, David
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KB...regarding the following comment... &quot;I have used some different versions for E1 on purpose as I believe there were better undiscovered performances&quot;. Would this mean alternative takes as opposed to the original masters? and if so I would guess these also had a better lower generation source tape than possibly the master tapes any titles you could mention?
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DB...I used alternate takes that are the masters, no generation loss, just a different day, different take. It just sounded better to me. They are all master alternate takes, there are three. As I said hopefully you tell me. This record should be for the public and the adventurous!
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KB...if at all possible could you give any further details on the 1950s mono tapes that were found/used! and from a technical point regarding the mono tracks could I ask if any of the 1950s tracks were in two track stereo but had to be mixed to mono to give a better balance as most of the two track stuff from Elvis in the 1950s has Elvis in one channel and the band in the other? I love these basic two track stereo tapes but they are not often released (a great shame I personally feel) also regarding the track love me tender. this has been released in true stereo from a decent source on the bmg cd &quot;jailhouse rock BMG 07863 67453 2&quot; were you aware that this track was released in full stereo? or did you feel it would be more consistent to release all the 1950s tracks in mono?
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As far as the 50's sessions I went through the lot meticulously, some had better vocals and worse tracks, great tracks and bad vocals. I picked the ones that made sense musically. I do not know if they were the &quot;masters&quot; They are now on E1. I am not a historian as I said. At some point I am sure we will bounce all to Digital and sort this out for once and all! 3. I was aware of the some of these &quot;stereo&quot; mono tracks and some of them sounded ...ok. I had a problem with continuity going in chronological order from mono to stereo. I tried going to stereo earlier and it all sounded out of context sonically. I passed even though I though some of these stereo tracks were good. I hope you understand. Ted Jensen at Sterling has done an amazing job on these mono tracks he worked on them for days and days..we experimented a lot and failed a lot. We finally nailed it to the wall...in my opinion. Comments: You have to trust me when I say we dissected these tracks...like open heart surgery. There were many chains of compression, rides on the vocals and eq. Rides were made on the music only on the three tracks. I manipulated the horns on Suspicious Minds back into the track (THEY WERE GONE!) and the Piano on &quot;Now or Never&quot; (AGAIN NO PIANO on tape) we knew the previous pitfalls of these tapes and we learned from our past. We continually A/B tested to the original mixes of all these songs as well as Beatles 1's, The Stones and Buddy Holly. We know we have surpassed these records sonically with what we had to work with. I have no problem answering any questions you have, however my opinion is that there are some holy grails out there owned by private collectors and we probably have some great ones in the vault. Remember that Elvis never picked his final takes....Tom Parker and Joan Deary and RCA did, that is now under quality control. We will be revisiting what is considered the masters very soon and look forward to your criticism and comments. I love your passion and commitment to continue to discover. That is how we made this record.
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Well that's the end of the questions (I promise!!) I'm sure you are very busy and again thank you so much for the interesting information you have shared and I'm really looking forward to the full release

kevan budd 10th sept 2002.
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/</font>
 

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