Wayde Robson

Wayde Robson

Audioholics Anchorman
I know I seem ignorant not having researched this enough online but I want to just ask as I research in parallel.

What do you guys do for Blu-ray software for your PC's Blu-ray player?

EVERY time I pop in a newer store-bought, commercial disc I go through my cheesy Blu-ray software's hell of updating and being spammed to spend a lot of money on it. Somehow I've gotten it work but usually I give up.

I swear I can download the movie illegally faster/easier/more efficiently than I can play the movie on my PC BD player and that IMHO is an industry failing.

Any advice would be great! The one caveat is that I don't want to have to pay for it unless absolutely necessary. I especially don't want to have to pay over and over every time new discs come out.

Thanks in advance for any advice.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
You can use DVD Fad HD Decrypter and just rip the main movie file.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
You can use DVD Fad HD Decrypter and just rip the main movie file.
Technically this action will strip BD out of it's DRM - this will be violation of DMCA anti-circumvention provisions... so why not go out online first place and get ready BD iso or MKV files? If you have conscious issues just buy the DB/DVD...
 
Wayde Robson

Wayde Robson

Audioholics Anchorman
DVD Fad decrypter HD rips blu-ray discs... I didn't know that but knew it was out there.

That's not what I'm interested in though. I already have the disc and want to play it on my PC through my PC's Blu-ray player. But the trouble is the Blu-ray player requires new software updates every time I want to play a newer disc.

I thought just owning the disc was easier than downloading etc. but apparently not. It's literally easier to download a pirated copy of a movie than it is to play-back a store bought Blu-ray disc on a PC.

It's complete Bullsh!t!
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
DVD Fad decrypter HD rips blu-ray discs... I didn't know that but knew it was out there.

That's not what I'm interested in though. I already have the disc and want to play it on my PC through my PC's Blu-ray player. But the trouble is the Blu-ray player requires new software updates every time I want to play a newer disc.

I thought just owning the disc was easier than downloading etc. but apparently not. It's literally easier to download a pirated copy of a movie than it is to play-back a store bought Blu-ray disc on a PC.

It's complete Bullsh!t!
What you are dealing with are DRM issues. You are progressively updating the DRM database with signed keys that allow you at the content you purchased. Plus some other updates are going to follow.

I find that it is just easier to:

1. Not participate in their system buy purchasing used
a> It denies them another sale
b> It keeps you on the right side of the law

2. Rip it. Remove that pesky DRM and enjoy your content legally.

I haven't played around with the Software BR players to see if you can kill the 2.0 spec sh!t that comes along with that 'standard'.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
Technically this action will strip BD out of it's DRM - this will be violation of DMCA anti-circumvention provisions... so why not go out online first place and get ready BD iso or MKV files? If you have conscious issues just buy the DB/DVD...
Actually this hasn't been tested in court for the individual. The end user ripping their DVD or BR disc is still a matter yet untested by the court.

What you aren't allowed to do within the confines of the USA is to develop or traffic in DRM circumvention tools. If you are the end user DL'ing from a server outside of the U.S.A you aren't distributing. And you certainly aren't manufacturing it.

Again this is still very gray territory legally speaking. I don't think you will ever see a legitimate purchaser of disc based media in court for ripping for personal/private use.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Actually this hasn't been tested in court for the individual. The end user ripping their DVD or BR disc is still a matter yet untested by the court.

Again this is still very gray territory legally speaking. I don't think you will ever see a legitimate purchaser of disc based media in court for ripping for personal/private use.
First part is absolutely true, BUT as far as companies which make device/software to backup DVD/BD disks:
MPAA sued bunch of companies (like Real Video) and won every time over this.

Their suggestion on how to create a legal backup copy - is use camcoder to record video of your tv ... this is obviously hardly a good choice from any prospective...

I hope you are not confusing FAIR USE rights with current laws.
While technically you should be able to legally have backup copy of your legally purchased DVD/BD - doing it by removing the DRM is breaking current laws - no gray areas.
FAIR Use clause has been pushed really far as far as recent court decisions tell..

btw: Techdirt blog has tons of info that subject

my idea, why go thru the hassle, if in the end one has to break the copyright law one way or another for sake of sanity (like countless updates or forced lower resolution on older HDTVs )
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
First part is absolutely true, BUT as far as companies which make device/software to backup DVD/BD disks:
MPAA sued bunch of companies (like Real Video) and won every time over this.

Their suggestion on how to create a legal backup copy - is use camcoder to record video of your tv ... this is obviously hardly a good choice from any prospective...

I hope you are not confusing FAIR USE rights with current laws.
While technically you should be able to legally have backup copy of your legally purchased DVD/BD - doing it by removing the DRM is breaking current laws - no gray areas.
FAIR Use clause has been pushed really far as far as recent court decisions tell..

btw: Techdirt blog has tons of info that subject

my idea, why go thru the hassle, if in the end one has to break the copyright law one way or another for sake of sanity (like countless updates or forced lower resolution on older HDTVs )

There has been no fair use test for consumers by passing DRM on media they own. It simply hasn't

Fair Use and first purchase doctrines are affirmative defenses to the accusation of copyright.

Currently there has not been a single case, of the consumer, ripping their own purchased media for their own private use.

The DMCA issue is not resolved in this consumer setting.
 
Wayde Robson

Wayde Robson

Audioholics Anchorman
There has been no fair use test for consumers by passing DRM on media they own. It simply hasn't

Fair Use and first purchase doctrines are affirmative defenses to the accusation of copyright.

Currently there has not been a single case, of the consumer, ripping their own purchased media for their own private use.

The DMCA issue is not resolved in this consumer setting.
Thanks guys.

I realize I'm sucking up DRM issues, BD+ apparently updates regularly and I need a software blu-ray player that keeps on top of it - easily.

But for now I'm using a free one that came with my PC BD player and it sucks. I think it's called PowerDVD. Once every six months my girlfriend wants to watch something on it while I'm playing a game on the main system downstairs and it doesn't work.
 
A

audiofox

Full Audioholic
For Mac users, Macworld reported today that one can now play back retail Blu-Rays on their Macs (with an outboard or substitute BD player, of course):

http://www.macblurayplayer.com/index.htm

I tried it out this evening with my Macbook Pro and external LG BD/DVD combo burner/player and my copy of Kill Bill Vol 1 (it comes with a 3 month free trial period)-it's pretty stuttery, so it won't be my playback method of choice just yet, but the trend is promising. Maybe the playback will improve before the 3 month trial period expires...
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Thanks guys.

I realize I'm sucking up DRM issues, BD+ apparently updates regularly and I need a software blu-ray player that keeps on top of it - easily.

But for now I'm using a free one that came with my PC BD player and it sucks. I think it's called PowerDVD. Once every six months my girlfriend wants to watch something on it while I'm playing a game on the main system downstairs and it doesn't work.
Believe it or not, but PowerDVD is one of the best choices.. I don't really know why is your's misbehaving... Honestly - there aren't many alternatives - you could trial version of WinDVD from Corel - it's cost only $40 (vs $100 Pdvd)
 
Wayde Robson

Wayde Robson

Audioholics Anchorman
Believe it or not, but PowerDVD is one of the best choices.. I don't really know why is your's misbehaving... Honestly - there aren't many alternatives - you could trial version of WinDVD from Corel - it's cost only $40 (vs $100 Pdvd)
It's possible my PowerDVD is just a trial that came with my player, or I didn't set it up right. I'll have to look into it.

Thanks
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I've use PDVD10 Ultra for long time.

Has not failed me yet.
 
F

FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
The one caveat is that I don't want to have to pay for it unless absolutely necessary.
Well there's yer problem...

:p

I've gone the route of using my Windows 7 PC to playback Blu-rays, HD-DVDs & DVDs. But to get it looking and playing the way I wanted, I spent some money on software.

To start, I bought two Synology NAS - DS411j units with four 3TB drives in each to give me 24TB of network storage. I just used $120 Hitachi 3TB drives. Certainly not the fastest drives or NAS, but for the price, it's quite a lot of network storage and I don't need top speed so much, I just need lots of space!

Next up, any Windows 7 Home Premium (or higher) PC already has Windows Media Center baked in. It's a slick-looking interface, but how do you get it to playback discs nicely?

I start with SlySoft's AnyDVD HD. I've never come across any disc that AnyDVD HD won't crack. BUT, it costs money. AnyDVD HD just runs in the background at all times. Insert any disc, and AnyDVD HD quickly scans it and removes all the copy protection.

Now comes the playback part. I use ArcSoft TotalMedia Theatre 5...which costs money. But it seemlessly integrates into WMC and it will handle ALL disc formats (Blu-ray, 3D Blu-ray, HD-DVD, DVD, etc.) As far as I'm aware, it's the only currect playback software that still supports HD-DVD.

So playback of any physical disc is a cinch. Pop the disc into the optical drive (in my case, an LG Blu-ray/HD-DVD hybrid drive). AnyDVD HD does its thing and removes the copy protection - I've also got mine set to remove any prohibited user operations (the "unskippable" warnings can now be skipped ;) ) and skip the pre-menu trailers (although this doesn't seem to work most of the time for Blu-ray). Now I don't have to worry about player updates. So long as AnyDVD HD is up to date, the player doesn't have to worry about it.

The disc shows up in the WMC interface. Selecting play automatically launches TMT5 and the discs play beautifully. Stopping playback brings me right back into WMC.

But what about those two 12TB NAS that I bought? That's for making my own movie server :D

AnyDVD HD doesn't do any sort of transcoding or compression. But it does allow you to rip a perfect 1:1 ISO image. And that's what I do. I rip my discs as 1:1 ISO image files to my NAS.

Now how do I get them to show up all pretty-looking and play them back in WMC?

The first bit of software also comes from SlySoft. It's their FREE Virtual CloneDrive, which "mounts" the ISO image files and makes the computer "think" that I've inserted a physical disc into an optical drive with its own drive letter. As soon as the image mounts, TMT5 automatically launches and starts playback of the "disc". But how to launch playback and have a pretty-looking list of all my ISO image files inside WMC?

For that, I use the FREE My Movies software. With My Movies, I build a database of all of my movies in their Collection Management app. Within the app, I can set a "location" for the "discs". I set that location as the ISO file on my NAS.

My Movies seemlessly integrates into WMC. You get a "Movie Libraray" section and it shows all of the movies that I've entered into the Collection Management database. My Movies pulls in cover art and metadata and it all looks very slick and professional in WMC.

Selecting play puts everything into action. My Movies looks up the location and launches the ISO file. Virtual CloneDrive "mounts" the ISO image. AnyDVD HD quickly scans it. TotalMedia Theatre 5 launches, which starts playback. And it all shows up beautifully and seemlessly on my screen! Stopping playback brings me right back into WMC where I can browse or search my entire movie collection and play another movie :D

So, it takes some time and it costs some money. But it's really slick and it works brilliantly. It's the same feeling as browsing through the movies available in the Zune Marketplace on Xbox360. Looks very similar and functions alike. But it's all local and there's a bunch of software doing its thing in the background.

Naturally, with HandBrake or some other transcoding software, I could turn those large (40GB on average) Blu-ray ISO image files into smaller MKV files or files that could play on my iPhone. But for my home movie collection, I personally prefer to retain 100% of the video and audio quality and I also just personally prefer to keep the menus and special features: I actually like that stuff :p I have the hard drive space on my two NAS, so I don't worry about it, and just continue with the 1:1 ISO versions.

Anywho, ArcSoft TotalMedia Theatre 5 and SlySoft AnyDVD HD are the real keys. They work seemlessly with Windows Media Center, but you don't have to use WMC. TMT5 will work just fine on its own.

Without AnyDVD HD doing its thing in the background, TMT5 has to go through the copy protection updates just like any other Blu-ray player. It IS a pain, and only punishes the people who are buying and renting discs completely legally!

AnyDVD HD would undoubtedly face lawsuits under the DMCA if they were in the States. But they're based in Antigua :p Under the law, I'm allowed to have backup copies of my discs for my own personal use. And that's exactly the case. I own the discs that I've backed up on my NAS and I only use them within my home for my own personally enjoyment. I am not sharing them or distributing them in any way. My setup is ENTIRELY unnecessary :p I could most certainly just pop my discs into a stand-alone Blu-ray player one at a time to watch them! But I just PREFER the slick-looking and "cool factor" setup of having this Movie Library show up in WMC and being able to play back any of my movies at the touch of a button! It's laziness and excess to be sure. But it's just so darn cool! And I love the reactions of friends or visitors :D
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
My setup is ENTIRELY unnecessary :p I could most certainly just pop my discs into a stand-alone Blu-ray player one at a time to watch them! But I just PREFER the slick-looking and "cool factor" setup of having this Movie Library show up in WMC and being able to play back any of my movies at the touch of a button! It's laziness and excess to be sure. But it's just so darn cool! And I love the reactions of friends or visitors :D
You don't have a 14 month old around the house do you?:eek:;)

She already pulls all the books off the shelves she can get too...
 
F

FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
hahaha - no, no kids for me yet :p

Yeah, having children around might actually be a pretty good excuse for why a setup like mine is a good idea. Although, remembering what I was like as a kid, I don't think I could resist pushing those pretty, blue buttons on the front of my NAS. I'd probably have to hide those :p
 

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