Blu-Ray Declares itself HD format winner!

stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
I don't know if it's a shocker, but I believe dual format players and studios realeasing the same movie in both formats will be the end of the format "war." If the sales figures for Bluray are correct you can safely say it's all been due to a better marketing campaign. HD-DVD hasn't been as prolific in advertising as Bluray. I believe by the end of summer hi-def players will be very affordable, LG getting into the fray with dual format players will push other manufacturers to do the same. It will be up to the studios to decide which format to stay with, for the consumer (who has a dual format player) it will be a moot point. I feel bad for those who have bought either Bluray or HD-DVD player they're going to be at the mercy of the studios.:(
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
I'll declare a winner when...

... like the VHS/Beta war three decades ago, they stop manufacturing hardware and software for one of the two formats. Until then, it's still a battlefield.
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
markw said:
... like the VHS/Beta war three decades ago, they stop manufacturing hardware and software for one of the two formats. Until then, it's still a battlefield.
Yup, that's why I've resisted the urge to to buy either format. I really believe that by summer's end things will be sorted out one way or the other.
I believe Bluray might be the choice due to amount of data the disc can hold so for computer applications its superior, in that sense.
 
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kenhoeve

Audioholic
stratman said:
Yup, that's why I've resisted the urge to to buy either format. I really believe that by summer's end things will be sorted out one way or the other.
I believe Bluray might be the choice due to amount of data the disc can hold so for computer applications its superior, in that sense.
It's just a shame their hardware is no where near hd-dvd at this point.
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Toshiba announced a 50 gig HD-DVD disc at CES! I saw it at highdefdigest.com
 
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davo

Full Audioholic
Has anyone seen any HD-DVD drives for computers anywhere? Because all I seem to find are Blu-ray drives popping up every where. I think it's a good INDICATION that things will go Blu-rays way.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
I haven't really seen any drives, but there are computers shipping with them installed. Plenty of Blu Ray drives, but for $600, might as well buy a PS3.
 
SilverMK3

SilverMK3

Audioholic
Don't discount the XBOX360's external HD-DVD drive. With the right software this could be an excellent $200 HD-DVD platform on a media PC.

I think dedicated players are going to come way down in price as cheaper/more optimized decoding processors become available to the manufacturers. The deciding battle in the HD format war will probably be fought with the first $200-$300 players.
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
SilverMK3 said:
Don't discount the XBOX360's external HD-DVD drive. With the right software this could be an excellent $200 HD-DVD platform on a media PC.

I think dedicated players are going to come way down in price as cheaper/more optimized decoding processors become available to the manufacturers. The deciding battle in the HD format war will probably be fought with the first $200-$300 players.
I don't think the $200-300 players will be the deciding factor, my reasoning is based on what I've been reading in the trade publications and seeing in the stores. Consumers aren't just waiting for units to come down in price, they're waiting on software to come down, availability of titles, library size: big collection, double dip or triple? Studios and manufacturers are spending tons of cash they need to recoup. LG's solution (dual format player) is being announced faster than anyone thought possible, some studios are releasing titles in both formats, this will hurt the "war." If there's no change in the panorama, the war will be done by summer's end (in my opinion):)
 
farscaper

farscaper

Audioholic
I declare myself the winner of the format war!
I haven't spent money on either format, so maybe its true.
I guess if you say your the winner, then I guess its true. Right? Wow, now thats a marketing tactic.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Dunno 'bout that, guy.

farscaper said:
II guess if you say your the winner, then I guess its true.
It doesn't seem to be working for Bush on Iraq. ;)
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
farscaper said:
I declare myself the winner of the format war!
I haven't spent money on either format, so maybe its true.
I guess if you say your the winner, then I guess its true. Right? Wow, now thats a marketing tactic.
Well if you haven't spent any money??;)
 
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Briant73

Audioholic Intern
I also am setting up camp at the wait and see.

Things I'm waiting for before going hd-dvd or blu-ray:
First 1080p displays with hdmi 1.3 at reasonable (to me) cost
Then More Hd channels to watch on the new display
Finally a winner in the format war or no winner needed

Now I may purchase an xbox 360 or ps3 sometime this year which may cause the above to change but right now that's the way I plan on pursuing it.
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Interesting article posted by Clint on the home page. Bluray slinging BS around in a fake "magazine", showing "statistics" why Bluray is surpassing HD-DVD. There's one thing you can say about big corporate merketeers, they can sling some mean bullshit (hey how'd that get through?);)

Best advice told to me by pro marketer: "Never, ever, believe the hype.":)
 
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davo

Full Audioholic
mpompey said:
LAS VEGAS—Here's a shocker: The Blu-ray consortium believes that the format war is in its final stages and the winners are, well, them.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2080719,00.asp

It is interesting to consider a few things with regard to the format war.

1) Blu-ray has far more industry support than does HD-DVD.

2) Most of the HD-DVD supporters are doing releases in both formats, but not many Blu-ray supporters are swinging the other way.

3) Considering the cost of the different format high def players, you would have to agree the HD-DVD players are cheaper. This suggests two possible things a) HD-DVD makers know they are already behind the eight ball with sales/support and accept lower profits in a bid to stay in the game,
b) Blu-ray makers know they are in a winning position and feel they don't need to cut their prices to be in the game.

4) I personally have not seen any pc HD-DVD drives anywhere. Does the HD-DVD camp even plan to get into this field? They are leaving it a bit late!

5) As with poker, Blu-ray(PS3) has taken a gamble by waiting so long to get products out. Fortunately for Blu-ray(PS3), the other player showed their hand too early, and now Blu-ray are playing the game with confidence.

6) I haven't seen any HD-DVD advertising at all down here in Oz, but plenty of Blu-ray ads.

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Just my 2c ;)
 

Trebar

Audiophyte
Well, an opinion from somebody who hasn't spent a penny either way.

I have a feeling whichever format can advertise $200-300 player with full 1080p with a TV that can handle the data will effectively win the format war. Until a full featured player (cd,dvd,dvr) gets to that price range, 80% of the 'normal' consumers will not feel like risking their bucks on one or the other formats. A dual player in the $400 range would probably entice some of them to jump in.

The closest similar situation I can remember about adoption by the masses is not the Betamax-VHS war, but the Laserdisk. I had heard about the Laserdisk format in the early 80's and it actually goes back to about the same time CD's were released (I bought one in 1989). It was far superior in many ways to VHS including sound and picture clarity. It also was the only way to buy movies in letterbox format, some even had audio comentaries and bonus features. The biggest drawbacks were size and cost. If quality was the only consideration then Laserdisc would have made significant sales to that 80% crowd.

As most of you know, it did not. At $300-$1000 and disks $25-100's it made little headway into the mass market. VHS was too flexible and affordable with the ability to record and archive, even if it was at a lower quality. So, when one format or the other can say that it can match the features of what most people already have in their homes, then they will start plunking down the dinero. Until then, I'll keep my money and invest in whichever company appears to be winning.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Well, if the VHS/Beta wars are any indication, Blu-Ray is already dead.

http://www.i4u.com/article7621.html

It's a commonly acknowleged fact that by the adaption of the VHS format by this industry, it sounded the death knell for Beta. Joe Sixpack votes with his wallet, and that wallet does not just open for the latest mainstream movies.
 

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