best wire config from my speakers?

[bitperfect101]

i cant decide what kind of configuration i should use. I have a pair para studio 40s v.3 and a pioneer elite a-35r integrated. They both do bi-wire. I was thinking of going with the canare star quad from blue jeans. i think ill go with spades.

should i go:
biwire amp to biwire speakers
single amp to biwire speakers
single to single Independant

also on the back, there are two plates that connect the binding posts. Should i use those or just take them off?

 

[markw]

Use option three and leave it at that.

From this one post, you've indicated that you've been reading too much and understanding too little.


....oh, and leave those connecting bars on.

 

[2*pi*f*t]

I would suggest before you buy anything special to get enough ordinary zip code to bi-wire your speakers with. LISTEN both ways and YOU decide. Purchase accordingly. Your system, your ears, your money, your satisfaction.

Kiss, but don't tell.

 

[mtrycrafts]

i cant decide what kind of configuration i should use. I have a pair para studio 40s v.3 and a pioneer elite a-35r integrated. They both do bi-wire. I was thinking of going with the canare star quad from blue jeans. i think ill go with spades.

should i go:
biwire amp to biwire speakers
single amp to biwire speakers
single to single Independant

also on the back, there are two plates that connect the binding posts. Should i use those or just take them off?

I would also suggest what markw has.
Much has been written on buy-wiring as that is what it is in home applications.
Waste of money.
Experimenting is fine. You just have to know what you are doing and the limitations you face to make proper interpretations of the results.

 

[bitperfect101]

if its not worth it to do then i wont bother. I just get the standard ones. i'll save myself the extra $30 or to get seperate connections.

 

[2*pi*f*t]

Oh never mind!!!

 

[Seth=L]

This is WRONG on so many levels that, to suggest such is not only LUDICROUS but LAUGHABLE!

Waste of money? Ha! Then justify buying something—anything, other than the least expensive item! It's ALL A WASTE OF MONEY by that logic. What simplistic thinking. Is nuance totally lost on you?


Oh my! So now, you are the arbitrator of experimentation?!? One can no longer use one's own ears but must defer to your opinion? YES indeedy, experimenting is fine but you're just INSULTING! And you, sir, are just a pompous A*S*S!

Refrain from making these kinds of posts in the future, or you will likely be banned. I don't know why you are making such insane acusations. Mtrycrafts did not insult anyone and you have definitely made an insulting post here. This is a forum that is intended for learning and civil discussion concerning the topic. Your post is not civil, if you have an argument you can argue with class instead of being rude.

Bi-Wiring (not bi-amping) is a useless wiring configuration. If you claim to have logic then you should be able to use deductive logic to uncover the flaw of bi-wiring.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2*pi*f*t
This is WRONG on so many levels that, to suggest such is not only LUDICROUS but LAUGHABLE!

Waste of money? Ha! Then justify buying something—anything, other than the least expensive item! It's ALL A WASTE OF MONEY by that logic. What simplistic thinking. Is nuance totally lost on you?


Oh my! So now, you are the arbitrator of experimentation?!? One can no longer use one's own ears but must defer to your opinion? YES indeedy, experimenting is fine but you're just INSULTING! And you, sir, are just a pompous A*S*S!

15 posts and you are insulting, rude and vulgar. Perhaps another forum may suit you better???

 

[alphamajor]

i cant decide what kind of configuration i should use. I have a pair para studio 40s v.3 and a pioneer elite a-35r integrated. They both do bi-wire. I was thinking of going with the canare star quad from blue jeans. i think ill go with spades.

should i go:
biwire amp to biwire speakers
single amp to biwire speakers
single to single Independant

also on the back, there are two plates that connect the binding posts. Should i use those or just take them off?

Ah, that's the beauty of star-quad cables. You can try it all three ways! The Canare 4S11 is nice stuff. That's what I'm switching to. I only have my mains done now. I'm waiting to do my center and surrounds until I get a TV, which may be a while. I'm just wiring it shotgun (single wired) to my speakers, which have posts for bi-wiring/amping. Like others have said, there is essentially no reason to bi-wire. But, if you really want to try it, then by all means do so. Just use bare wire termination until you figure out how you want to wire it, then put the ends on. As far as the ends, I would highly recommend the locking banana plugs, also from BJC. A bit more expensive, but they have the grip of death and are oh so nice.

I say go ahead and get the Canare wire. It will work for any configuration you outlined, plus the 4S11 is a great cable, so you can't lose! How often does that happen?

Here's a quick pic of one of the cables I made up, just to give you an idea. They will look really sweet once they are wrapped with Techflex, which others have done and posted pictures on the forums.

 

[Seth=L]

there is essentially no reason to bi-wire

Alphamajor, you just gave me a great idea. I am going to use this in my signature with a little modification to make a very perfect statement.

Thank you so much for the inspiration. NOTE: I am not being sarcastic, I am dead serious about this, because bi-wiring is nonsense.

 

[MDS]

I am not being sarcastic, I am dead serious about this, because bi-wiring is nonsense.

So I guess jneutron didn't convince you that using a certain model that 'we don't yet know how to test' proves that there is a difference with bi-wiring?

My take on it is that under very specific conditions with the moon and stars in perfect alignment there could be an inconsequential measureable difference but under no circumstance is said difference audible.

 

[mtrycrafts]

So I guess jneutron didn't convince you that using a certain model that 'we don't yet know how to test' proves that there is a difference with bi-wiring?

My take on it is that under very specific conditions with the moon and stars in perfect alignment there could be an inconsequential measurable difference but under no circumstance is said difference audible.

I think he did test it with two sine tones, one low and the other high and heard something. But then he also states, he has yet to hear it with music.
Makes sense. You can control the test tones to conform to his conditions, equal current flow in the two sine waves for a duration that would manifest beyond instantaneous and be audible. And, he hasn't found a segment of music that would show, or a segment long enough to be audible. At least, that is what I gathered from reading him. But, I gather dust too.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Ah, that's the beauty of star-quad cables. You can try it all three ways! The Canare 4S11 is nice stuff. That's what I'm switching to. I only have my mains done now. I'm waiting to do my center and surrounds until I get a TV, which may be a while. I'm just wiring it shotgun (single wired) to my speakers, which have posts for bi-wiring/amping. Like others have said, there is essentially no reason to bi-wire. But, if you really want to try it, then by all means do so. Just use bare wire termination until you figure out how you want to wire it, then put the ends on. As far as the ends, I would highly recommend the locking banana plugs, also from BJC. A bit more expensive, but they have the grip of death and are oh so nice.

I say go ahead and get the Canare wire. It will work for any configuration you outlined, plus the 4S11 is a great cable, so you can't lose! How often does that happen?

Here's a quick pic of one of the cables I made up, just to give you an idea. They will look really sweet once they are wrapped with Techflex, which others have done and posted pictures on the forums.

If not too late, I'd like to suggest that you add shrink wrap on the exposed twisted wire. One larger one slipped first, then two smaller ones for each leg, Shrink the legs, then the large one to cover the junction and the two legs a little. Makes it look like a pro.

 

[Seth=L]

So I guess jneutron didn't convince you that using a certain model that 'we don't yet know how to test' proves that there is a difference with bi-wiring?

My take on it is that under very specific conditions with the moon and stars in perfect alignment there could be an inconsequential measureable difference but under no circumstance is said difference audible.

I have nothing against Jneutron, and he may be correct about it making a difference, but not likely audible. Bi-wiring is for those that obsess about their systems at all times, at work, at home, during your kid's school play. I think we can all agree that it isn't worth the money for that "may or may not make a difference, and if it does you need to have the best golden ear ever to hear the difference", no I don't BUY it. To make that long of an argument about something that is correct, but makes no difference aside from your piece of mind, well lets just say I stopped trying to read that thread a long time ago.

I am proud to mention however, I had to type every word out of that chapter in Robert Harley's book, and since I am an awful typist I am glad to see the thread has almost reached 300 posts. Maybe I shouldn't be proud of that.

 

[Seth=L]

By the way, how do you guys like my addition to my signature?

 

[MDS]

By the way, how do you guys like my addition to my signature?

Love it.

 

[Seth=L]

Love it.

I need to spice it up with some bold and capatilization.

I will thread crap no more!

 

[alphamajor]

Alphamajor, you just gave me a great idea. I am going to use this in my signature with a little modification to make a very perfect statement.

Thank you so much for the inspiration. NOTE: I am not being sarcastic, I am dead serious about this, because bi-wiring is nonsense.

You're welcome!

 

[Electone]

Odd way to wire it up?

Ah, that's the beauty of star-quad cables. You can try it all three ways! The Canare 4S11 is nice stuff. That's what I'm switching to. I only have my mains done now. I'm waiting to do my center and surrounds until I get a TV, which may be a while. I'm just wiring it shotgun (single wired) to my speakers, which have posts for bi-wiring/amping. Like others have said, there is essentially no reason to bi-wire. But, if you really want to try it, then by all means do so. Just use bare wire termination until you figure out how you want to wire it, then put the ends on. As far as the ends, I would highly recommend the locking banana plugs, also from BJC. A bit more expensive, but they have the grip of death and are oh so nice.

I say go ahead and get the Canare wire. It will work for any configuration you outlined, plus the 4S11 is a great cable, so you can't lose! How often does that happen?

Here's a quick pic of one of the cables I made up, just to give you an idea. They will look really sweet once they are wrapped with Techflex, which others have done and posted pictures on the forums.

Your cables look great, but can I ask why you would run 1 red & 1 white wire to each of the bananas instead of 2 red and 2 white to each? Would this not be confusing when connecting to the positive and negative terminals??

 

[jneutron]

I have nothing against Jneutron, and he may be correct about it making a difference, but not likely audible..

I also have nothing against you. I am indeed correct about it making a difference...and while I have detailed exactly how the difference will affect the music in a way that could be audible, there is no evidence to support the possibility that it is indeed audible with music..I cannot claim audibility, just what will be changed.

Bi-wiring is for those that obsess....... I think we can all agree that it isn't worth the money for that "may or may not make a difference, and if it does you need to have the best golden ear ever to hear the difference"...........

Perhaps. But unlike some, I'm sure neither you nor I try to listen to the extent of others, so I cannot casually dismiss without evidence...as you do.

The biwire vendors certainly want all to believe it always makes an audible difference, but we already know their motivations.

I am proud to mention however, I had to type every word out of that chapter in Robert Harley's book, and since I am an awful typist I am glad to see the thread has almost reached 300 posts. Maybe I shouldn't be proud of that.

Perhaps. However, many of the things you said regarding Harley's book were entirely incorrect. You enjoyed bashing the "amplifier sees" aspect, but yet that is exactly how engineers talk about a source and a load...the source "sees" the load...and they never confuse "seeing" with "sight".

Cheers, John