Best setup for $2,500 for electronic music

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Big Gorilla

Audioholic Intern
Hi my name is Tom and I am looking at getting a sound system worth around $2,500. I am very new to this scene and was wondering if I could get some advice on a good setup for this amount of money. I would mostly be listening to bass heavy electronic music. I have been looking around on forums and have seen the HSU VTF-3 MK4 as a good option for the sub, what are peoples opinions on this sub? What speakers would go well with this and what else would I need for a good setup? Your help is much appreciated.
 
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Big Gorilla

Audioholic Intern
After further research I think I want to go with either the HSU VTF-15H or the Rythmik FV15. I do love feeling that low end bass and I have read that the hsu does that better but the fv15 goes a bit louder. Leaning toward the hsu atm because of cost but would love some feedback.
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
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Hi big gorilla, how loud do you ordinarily listen to music? If it is relatively loud, I would be looking at high sensitivity speakers, maybe some three-way towers or something with compression drivers. Anyway, either the Hsu or Rythmik sub will rock with some electronic music. Which ever you choose, you would be best setting them in their high output configuration, where neither port is plugged, this will give you the most output above 30 hz which is where the vast majority of the bass in your music is.

If you want some monster bass, and decent coverage so the bass sounds better over a wider area, get two subs. Here is a killer deal for you: get a pair of EMP Tek E55ti towers while they are still on sale (today is their last day), and a pair of Hsu VTF3 mk4 subs. That will set you back $2k and will be a part of a killer system. I listen to a lot of bass heavy electronic music myself, drum'n'bass, dubstep, electro, techno, etc. This is one thing I would consider. If you miss the sale on those speakers, here is something else I can heartily recommend: Klipsch RB-61. They are bookshelf speakers, but they are pretty powerful ones.

For a receiver, check out this Denon 1912, it is $500. It has Audyssey room correction which is a very nice feature. That receiver with those EMP towers and some Hsu subs ought to sound terrific. But that is just one possible setup, there are other ways you can go and have your system sound great.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Hi! Welcome to the forum.

Before we get into recommending specific products, we need to know a lot more about your situation :)

A $2500 budget for an audio system is a good starting point. And we know you want some really kickin' bass for music.

What is your room size and layout? The room is actually the largest part of any audio system. So we need to know all about it. Dimensions. Where the openings are. How the furniture is laid out. And how you use the room. Is it dedicated to audio? Or do we have to worry about looks? And where can the speakers and other gear be placed? A diagram or photos are a big help ;)

Next, we need to make the room a good environment for audio. There's no sense putting great speakers in a crappy room! Good speakers in a great acoustic environment will sound a million times better than great speakers in a poor environment. Again, the room is the biggest part or your system.

So you might end up spending some money on acoustic treatments. We'll have to see. I'd recommend you get in touch with the good folks at GiK Acoustics. They will really help you tackle your room's acoustics. You can also get great products from Acoustimac. And Auralex offers a free service where they analyze your room and make suggestions on ways to improve the acoustics.

So between those companies and us here on the forum, we'll get your room nicely set up for great audio! For a very generalized idea, some bass traps in the front corners, a couple of panels on each side wall at the first reflection points, and some thick bass traps right behind your seat are generally a great place to start when it comes to treating the acoustics of most rooms. And you can do all that for not too much money, so long as you stick to using the basic panels with normal fabric. If looks are a concern, there are nicer fabrics, patterns, suede, and even printed or dyed panels, which can have any graphics you like on them. But all of those things make the price go up. A basic Room Kit from GiK or Acoustimac is your most cost effective starting point ;)

There can also be more "natural" ways to address your acoustics using furniture and other objects in the room. Plush couches or other thickly padded, fabric covered seats can help to absorb reflections. Thick carpeting. Wall hangings. Lots of big pillows. And bookcases with lots of odd and irregular shapes in them can act as diffusers that scatter sound waves. The point is to reduce the area of hard, flat surfaces. Hard, flat surfaces create strong reflections and don't allow the sound waves to dissipate.

With the room sorted, the next biggest thing to tackle is the bass. Do you have only one seat that you really care about? Or do you have multiple seats that are important listening positions?

Reason I ask is because it's not too hard to get nice, linear, accurate bass at just one seat. For that, you can use one good subwoofer, carefully positioned, and maybe perfected with a little EQ. For multiple seats though, you really need at least dual subwoofers. A lone sub will always create standing waves. And from seat to seat, the bass will sound different. Dual subs, carefully positioned, can reduce a lot of standing wave problems, and greatly decrease the differences from seat to seat.

There are lots of great subwoofers these days. But HSU Research and Outlaw Audio (who's subs were largely designed by Dr. Hsu) tend to offer the highest "bang for your buck". Given your budget, you'll likely end up with one of their subs. The exact model is going to depend on your room size, and whether you need to go with dual subs, or can get by with a lone, high output sub.

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Next up, one product I will recommend right off the bat is the Onkyo TX-NR709 , which, at the moment I'm writing this, is going for the absurdly low price of $400 over at accessories4less (A4L). A4L is a fully authorized Onkyo dealer. You get a full 1 year manufacturer's warranty when you buy from them. They label the units they sell as "refurbished", but do not let that deter you for even a moment. The units are often literally brand new and merely being cleared out of inventory by the manufacturers. In the case of the 709, it's an older model, but it happens to be a better unit, feature wise, than the current TX-NR717 that replaced it. For whatever reason, the TX-NR717 took quite an obvious step backwards in some areas. The TX-NR709 is a terrific value. It's got 8 HDMI inputs that are all fully 3D and HD Audio ready. Component Video switching, THX Certification and Listening Modes. Pretty much every feature you could want - except for maybe AirPlay, which it does not have, but it's got other network streaming options, iPod USB support, and you can always hook up an AppleTV if you really want AirPlay ;)

The feature that really makes the TX-NR709 stand out though is that it has full 7.1 speaker pre-outs. Those pre-outs are necessary if you ever want to connect a separate, more powerful amplifier. Given your budget, you might not be able to afford a separate amplifier right away. And the amps that are built into the TX-NR709 are already pretty decent, and should drive most speakers just fine. But it sure is nice to have the option available to add external amplification later. Especially if you like to listen really loud, or if you opt for speakers that are a little bit less efficient, or can absorb a ton of power. The TX-NR709 just can't be beat in terms of features and flexibility for the price. So I highly recommend grabbing that specific model of AV Receiver.

Finally, we get to speakers. Are you planning to just run two channel stereo? Or do you want a full 5 or 7 speaker surround setup?

Again, your room size and seating distance will be a large determining factor. You could easily end up spending over $1000 on the subwoofers. You've got the Onkyo AV Receiver at $400. And a nice, basic Room Kit acoustic panel and bass trap package from GiK or Acoustimac will likely run you around $550. So you might not have a ton of room left in the budget for speakers.

But that's ok. Because luckily, these days, there are some surprisingly good speakers available for very little money. The Pioneer 2nd Generation (all the model numbers end in a "2") Andrew Jones speakers are rather easily the least expensive, good speakers that are out there at the moment. Those SP-FS52 towers that I linked to can often be found for $100 each. Very affordable, but they're darn good speakers. And even if you want a full 5 speaker surround setup, you could afford the matching SP-C22 Center and SP-BS22-LR bookshelf surrounds within your budget.

Another good option might be the Inifinity Primus speakers . The P363 Towers there, and the matching PC351 Center can play incredibly loud without distortion. That's their real strong suit. And they'd be a good candidate for some high Wattage external amplification down the road. They can certainly make use of the extra power if you want some really really loud playback!

Another speaker brand that can play very very loud, and are probably the best looking speakers for a low price right now are the EMP Tek speakers . If you're only looking to get a pair of speakers for 2-channel stereo right now, these would be a tremendous choice. I find them a little bit "polite" and laid back in the top end. Maybe not quite as detailed as I personally like. But they NAIL the midrange. And the bit of roll-off I hear in the top end is helpful if you don't have a lot of acoustic room treatments. They never ever sound harsh or fatiguing. And they can take a ton of power and play super loud as well.

I'll throw out one more brand, which is probably my favorite speaker brand at the moment, and that's Ascend Acoustics . Every model they make is tops in its price class in terms of just sheer accuracy and sound quality. The tweeters they use are especially good - at least to my ears - for their price range in every model. A real cut above in terms of accuracy and clarity. The CMT-340SE that I linked to there would make the most sense for your price range and for loud playback capabilities. They have matching stands that make them look like towers if you want.

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So those are a good place to start, in any case. The last thing I'll mention is to head on over to monoprice.com for all of your cable, wire and accessory needs.

Have a chat with GiK. Take advantage of Auralex's free room analysis service. And get back to us with lots more details about your room :) We'll sort you out and get you a killer system.

:D
 
ImcLoud

ImcLoud

Audioholic Ninja
I would get

$1150 subs - Dual-SB12-NSD - SVS
pair of e55ti $477 EMP Tek E55Ti Tower Speakers (2012 Black Friday and Cyber Monday Sale)

dac- $350 XDA-2 USB DAC/Digital Preamp/Headphone Amp | Emotiva Audio Corporation | Emotiva Audio | High-end audio components for audiophiles and videophiles, spanning 2-channel music systems, as well as 5.1 and 7.1 home theaters. Products include multi with some fmods
or preamp with no fmods, price would be the same after fmods...
USP-1 Stereo Preamp | Emotiva Audio | High-end audio components for audiophiles and videophiles, spanning 2-channel music systems, as well as 5.1 and 7.1 home theaters. Products include multichannel amplifiers, stereo amplifiers, and monoblock amplif

Amp- $679 XPA-2 | 300W x 2 | Emotiva Audio | High-end audio components for audiophiles and videophiles, spanning 2-channel music systems, as well as 5.1 and 7.1 home theaters. Products include multichannel amplifiers, stereo amplifiers, and monoblock amplifier

to come in budget you can step down to XPA-200 Stereo Power Amplifier | Emotiva Audio | Emotiva Audio | High-end audio components for audiophiles and videophiles, spanning 2-channel music systems, as well as 5.1 and 7.1 home theaters. Products include multichannel amplifiers, stereo ampli and sound just as good...

Thats a little over budget, but I think it would sound good, them subs are super fast, and get loud with little effort... The xpa2 is great for music and I would throw a couple fmods in there to limit the bass the e55ti's produce {$26 for a pair of 100hz hi pass Fmods}, and the dac will handle all your volume control and dac duties...
As far as the towers go, thats a super price, and I dont think anything around $500 is going to compare, plus with your music its fast beaty and bassy so almost anything will work... Not like there is a ton of voice to reproduce...

Im not huge on room treatments when you can spend that money on equipment :D , and I have been to parties my brothers have thrown, once the music starts {and loud} room acoustics are the last worry}..

My brother now has Opus 2-3's with the svs dual 12's, a crown class d amp and some crazy crossover system, in his main parlor which is HUGE and I cant even stand in there when they start the music, it gets intense.....
When I first seen them subs, I thought these are tiny, then when I heard them they are so loud and low, I was amazed... but dual vtf2's would be a really good alternative if you could stretch the budget..
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Im not huge on room treatments when you can spend that money on equipment
That's such an unfortunate stance that far too many people share :(

It doesn't make sense. It's like putting all your money into a huge car engine while running on bald tires :p

Now, obviously, if your acoustics are already good, or even just ok, it makes more sense to out your money into speakers and amps. But that's why it's so important to come at things in the correct order. Work big to small. The room's the biggest part of any system. So we've gotta know where we're at with the room first!

If it's already pretty good acoustically, great! We can put more of the budget towards speakers. Great speakers in a decent acoustic environment will beat merely good speakers in a decent acoustic environment. Easy. But if the room is bad acoustically, that's gotta come first. Merely good speakers in a good acoustic environment will beat great speakers in a bad acoustic environment. Work big to small ;)

So it all depends. That's why we need to hear back from the OP, and he needs to discuss his room as his first step. But if the room is bad acoustically, I'd certainly much sooner use $250 on a pair of speakers and $550 on acoustic treatments than spend all $800 on just speakers. If the room is already ok acoustically, that totally flips! But we gotta know first.

600 horsepower engine on bald tires? Or 300 horsepower engine on good tires? Where's your money better spent?
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
Btw I think this guy is in Australia, which makes a lot of these suggestions moot.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Btw I think this guy is in Australia, which makes a lot of these suggestions moot.
Doh! Well, see if they have a bloody Denon 3310/3311/3312/3313 on sale Down Under, mate. :D
 
ImcLoud

ImcLoud

Audioholic Ninja
That's such an unfortunate stance that far too many people share :(

600 horsepower engine on bald tires? Or 300 horsepower engine on good tires? Where's your money better spent?
600 on bald tires, don't knock it until you try it.... LOL... I understand where you are coming from but I have tried a few things and never heard a huge difference... Now if you have a designated music listening room, sure install panels, get traps, and fill gaps no big deal, but I like most people have to live in this house with my wife, so unless I want to argue about a triangle panel in the corner for the rest of my life, I will spend the extra on the speakers... Placement is important, but I think most of the people who come on here and ask "what should I buy for $1500" just wants to get equipment, mentioning panels and acoustic treatments rite off the jump, tends to scare them away.... I can honestly say I can move the speakers to all the wrong positions with mirrors on the wall and do everything wrong and my stereo still makes music good enough to listen to all day....

Now if they spend $1500 on a system and fall in love with the hobby, and ask what to do next, sure treat the room, but to put it in your initial budget, I'm not seeing anyone do that....

IMO FR is the most inclined to give advice on what to buy, and I bought my Ascends and hsu on his word and both worked out excellent...
 
agarwalro

agarwalro

Audioholic Ninja
You know, it does not help that the mention of room treatments conjures up images of utilitarian grey/black/beige panels from recording studios rather than home implementations with high WAF upholstered panels or good blending into room decor. A trap is cheap and hideous or expensive with high WAF or DIY with a fair bit of work involved. Sadly, no cheap with high WAF option is available for the, "I want to spend $x.xx on surround sound" crowd. If WAF dictates the presence (or more appropriately, absence) of treatments, it is a different conversation altogether. Further, AH AV University has a section on Acoustics and several articles on benefits of bass traps and room treatments. Yet, even the $12,000 Recommended System does not mention treatments. This in microcosm shows the inertia against championing their importance in good sounding home theaters.

Sadly, in the general audiophile mindset, big ticket electronics/speakers/cables are given undue priority. Higher the combined cost of the speakers and amps in a dedicated room, the more likely that the room itself is cringe inducing. One only needs to do an image search on Google. Oddly though, when you get into the uber expensive gear territory, the rooms start getting treated. Ironically, in the uber territory, the rooms are expansive and speakers are highly competent, thereby, reducing the need for treatments, in general.
 
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zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
After further research I think I want to go with either the HSU VTF-15H or the Rythmik FV15. I do love feeling that low end bass and I have read that the hsu does that better but the fv15 goes a bit louder. Leaning toward the hsu atm because of cost but would love some feedback.
And look into mating one of the subs with a pair of Boston BT1
speakers - They do come with a grill. > They can go on stands,
in a cabinet or in the wall - they do have adjustment switches.
BOSTON ACOUSTICS BT1 LCR Loudspeaker Each | Accessories4less

If looks are more important, then the Focal Towers.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/FOCAL814V/FOCAL-Chorus-814V-716v-Dual-6-Floorstanding-Speakers-Gloss-Black-Pair/1.html
 
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Big Gorilla

Audioholic Intern
Doh! Well, see if they have a bloody Denon 3310/3311/3312/3313 on sale Down Under, mate. :D
Yeah I am in Australia, so although I appreciate you guys hooking me up with sales, theres not much point.

Firstly thanks a lot for the feedback but I think I should further elaborate on my situation. I am planning on purchasing A sub, two speakers, a receiver and whatever else I need for a legit setup in the next two months. The problem is I will moving house in February and have no idea what type of room the gear will be in. I think I will only be there for about 9 months until I move again so I am not too worried about the size of the room ect. I just want some thing that is going to sound clean with big bass, pretty loud.
I have decided on the Rythmik FV15HP for a sub as I can actually get it in Aus and I will get a second one when I can afford it.
Our currency is very similar to yours but after shipping and taxes it is quite a bit more expensive.

I guess I would be after a receiver, and two speakers for around American $1200 and whatever else I will need. I am very new to this so i appreciate your patience and advice.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
No problem, Tom. Thanks for getting back to us.

Since you don't really know what your listening room is going to be like, the best you can do is to just generalize, get good, solid performing gear, and then try to optimize when you have a more permanent setup in the future.

I'm sorry I didn't recognize that you are in Australia right away. Stuff seems to be so much more expensive there! Especially with the AUS dollar being nearly at par these days. We get the same raw deal in Canada where I live. But it seems even more exaggerated in Australia.

In any case, the Rythmik FV15HP is capable of insanely loud output. Just in terms of sheer loudness, it will handle just about any room size, and does so for about the lowest price possible. It's a beast! As you say, you still might want a second one in the future. As I detailed previously, getting a second one would be all for the purpose of getting more even, uniform bass across multiple seats. The lone FV15HP will have no problems in terms of loudness. But from seat to seat, the bass will sound different. There's just no getting around that when you have just one subwoofer. But for now, you can concentrate on making that one subwoofer sound as good as possible at just one, primary location. The other seats will have to make do for now ;)

Since you only want a pair of speakers for the time being, you can consider some of the nicer, slightly more expensive options. Can't go crazy. But you don't have to go with the lowest cost possible either.

I would still highly recommend the Ascend Acoustics CMT-340SE . They are tremendously accurate and transparent speakers that can play very loud, but are still easy to power with pretty much any amplifier or AV Receiver. If you don't like what you hear with the CMT-340SE, it basically means you either don't like the recording, or you don't like your room's acoustics ;) The CMT-340SE just "tell it like it is". And that's a great thing! They don't add anything. They don't take anything away. They're just accurate. And you won't find nicer or more helpful people than the folks at Ascend. Give them a call. I'm certain they will work out a good shipping rate to Australia for you :)

For the sake of providing good options though, another company to strongly consider would be Aperion Audio. I know they will ship to Australia. Tom Andry - the Associate Editor here at Audioholics - currently lives in Australia and Aperion shipped his Verus Grand series speakers to him, no problem. The Verus Grand Towers would be a great choice, but over budget. Aperion has recently updated their less expensive Intimus series. They'd be more along the lines of the price point you're considering.

I'm honestly just not familiar with what speaker brands are available to you locally. I think KEF might be, and those would be well worth considering, too :)

For the Receiver, do you have any plans to one day expand to full 5 or 7 speaker surround sound? Or are you fairly sure you'll be sticking with 2-channel stereo?

If you've any potential plans for more than 2 speakers in the future, I'd still highly recommend the Onkyo TX-NR709. Accessories4less won't ship outside of the USA, but you should be able to track that model down, either locally, or from an online retailer that will ship to Australia.

The TX-NR709 is just such a feature-complete, and easy-to-expand unit. And remains, by quite a margin, the least expensive AV Receiver with full 7.1 speaker pre-outs. So I'm still all about that particular model.

The Onkyo TX-NR709 with the Ascend CMT-340SE speakers and Rythmik FV15HP subwoofer would be a tremendous system! It'll sound fantastic. Accurate, transparent, and capable of handling any room size or desired level of LOUD playback :D

I'm not sure if you've already ordered the FV15HP. Ascend actually is partners with Rythmik and sells Rythmik subs through the Ascend Acoustics website as well. So you could buy the speakers and subwoofer all together in one package from Ascend if you like.

I hope that's of some help. Makes it tricky when you're international. But these are terrific products that will treat you very, very well. Just be sure to warn the movers when it comes to that FV15HP subwoofer! :eek: That thing ain't no joke! Definitely a two-man job to move that beast around ;)
 
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cpp

Audioholic Ninja
Big Gorilla if you can please go and audition equipment in your area. Shipping equipment from the states to Australia can be expensive as you most likely know.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Yeah I am in Australia, so although I appreciate you guys hooking me up with sales, theres not much point.
So what speakers are available to you?

Revel, KEF, Focal, Dynaudio, B&W, Ascend?

Audition them.
 
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Big Gorilla

Audioholic Intern
Big Gorilla if you can please go and audition equipment in your area. Shipping equipment from the states to Australia can be expensive as you most likely know.
I know everyone says to audition speakers but the only shops hat sell home theatre equipment in the city I am staying in are your equivalent to 'best buy". So I have to go the route of making a decision on the collective opinions of others, my own intuition and whats available shipping wise.

I know I'm definitely going to go for a Rythmik FV15HP for the sub. I am just learning as I go along but I like First Reflections idea of going for the Onkyo TX-NR709 as it has separate speaker pre outs so I can add an amp later on when i can afford it. I am still open to other receivers though that can do the same job for cheaper.

I can probably get the Infinity Primus P363 Towers which seem to be liked by quite a few on the forums but I was maybe wanting to pay a bit more and get something a bit more high quality.

I also emailed Ascend Acoustics about shipping to australia as they seem to also come highly recommended. So just waiting to hear back from them.

Also, any opinions on these speakers NHT Absolute Tower?
As a side note, I am after towers not bookshelf speakers, cheers.
 
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