Best rear-projection LCD/DLP below 3,000 dollars

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5.1 DTS guy

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Best rear-projection LCD/DLP under 3,000 dollars

Well, its time to upgrade for the living room, so i've done my share of research and have narrowed the choices down to a few models, but what do you guys think would be the best bet for an LCD or DLP rear projection under 3,000 bucks? Is 1080p the best way to go? What are some key features that are a must for an HDTV? Is DLP that superior to LCD? Thanks for any advice.
 
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Leprkon

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I've been researching the same question.

Several trips to CC and Ultimate Electronics later, and several really disappointed salesmen later, I have not seen anything to justify the 1080P. Maybe it's the companies' generic quality feed to the TV, but I have not noticed any difference.

Add to the fact that there is no signal yet that actually produces a 1080P feed, and the $ 700 to $ 1,700 difference in price (depending on brand) is just not money I've been willing to spend yet.

The best value right now seems to be the 1080i Sony

http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?sHist=12-79,6-2&menu=true&id=28437

but I've seen it's price change up or down $ 300 in any given day and as much as $ 100 in an hour... if you watch carefully, it can be had for $ 2300, but is usually more like $ 2500. the Sony actually has 768 lines of resolution, compared to most other's at 720.

the key features will depend on how you use it. if you plan to get an X-box 3gazillion or other high-rez toy, you will want a model that has at least 2 HDMI inputs. A cable card may be handy, or less important if you don't use cable or must have your PPV's. If you are matching it to a quality surround system, you may never use the TV's internal speakers for anything but the weather broadcast.

Some people like the DLP's better black resolution, others don't like the multitude of spinning parts that will eventually break down. I have a 42 inch Sony RP LCD in the bedroom that has an incredible picture. I actually paid more for it than I would have for a 46 inch Samsung, because the picture was that much better.
 
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5.1 DTS guy

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Thanks for the information, yeah I was looking at that Sony 60 inch also. Can you (or anyone for that matter) explain the main differences between I and P (like 1080i and 1080p)? I initially thought that 480i was the standard resolution for CRT tvs, and it then progressed to 720i, then 1080i, and then 420p, then 720p, and finally 1080p. Is this how it works?
 
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zumbo said:
LCD rear projection looks like you are viewing the picture through a screen door. DLP rear projection is the way to go for value. Samsung looks to have the value for the dollar as well. But, I am wondering about this.

http://www.samsclub.com/eclub/main_shopping.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&n=0&mt=a&coe=0&oidPath=0:-23542:-23589:-24298:-25204:932707

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/PlasmaTV/SPR4212XXAA.asp?page=Specifications
Well thats a plasma, with enhanced definition, so the price is right. I'm interested in Samsung's rear projection tvs.
 
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Size is also pretty important, somehow spending 1,000 plus dollars for a TV isn't really justified unless its atleast 55 inches, IMO. Anyhow, we got the space.
 
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zumbo

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5.1 DTS guy said:
Well thats a plasma, with enhanced definition, so the price is right. I'm interested in Samsung's rear projection tvs.
I said "I" was wondering about the Plasma I linked.
zumbo said:
LCD rear projection looks like you are viewing the picture through a screen door. DLP rear projection is the way to go for value. Samsung looks to have the value for the dollar as well. But, I am wondering about this.
Did you notice the first part of my reply? DLP over LCD rear projection for sure.;) Gonna be hard to hit your target price of 1k. Samsung for 2k is about the best deal I have seen. Those Sony LCD rear projection tv's look like mess. I would go with a smaller tv if cost limited you to a LCD rear projection.

http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?sHist=12-79,3-16,4-2022$10244&menu=true&id=27206
 
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Leprkon

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5.1 DTS guy said:
Thanks for the information, yeah I was looking at that Sony 60 inch also. Can you (or anyone for that matter) explain the main differences between I and P (like 1080i and 1080p)? I initially thought that 480i was the standard resolution for CRT tvs, and it then progressed to 720i, then 1080i, and then 420p, then 720p, and finally 1080p. Is this how it works?
The base number is the number of lines the TV will display (or the broadcast will send.

480i is the standard for generic TV and analog broadcasts. The "i" stands for interlaced... what that means is that the TV is refreshing the even lines on one pass, and the odd lines on the next pass. This leaves half the old picture on every pass. It takes an S-video cable to get that quality. A composite cable is less than 400 lines of resolution.

next to come along was 480P. The P stands for "progressive". It can be delivered over component cables. This process refreshes both even and odd lines at the same time, so there are no hold-overs between frames. It significantly improved the picture.

the next one to come along was 1080i on broadcast TV, which is the half-and-half at twice the resolution. it's fabulous for slow-moving action like PBS specials (cheetah chases being the exception) or golf... The idea of 1080 resolution on a DVD player made the movie companies nervous... if you could send that over component, you could dump it into a DVD recorder, and you might never actually buy another movie. So they made it to where you had to have a copy-protected DVI or HDMI connection for this quality of signal.

then came 720P. It has good pieces from both worlds... It refreshes every time and has 50 % better resolution than 480. Some TV's, notably Sony's use 768 instead of 720, so there's a touch more resolution. 720P is great for all action sports and only a mild compromise on the slow moving stuff. 720P is much smoother than 1080i, just not quite so blindingly sharp. I don't really remember ever seeing a 720i. 720/768P is, of course, also copy-right protected and requires DVI or HDMI input from an unpscaled DVD player.

Note here that DVD's are actually only recorded as 480i. The DVD player is writing in the lines at the same time to get you 480P. The DVD player does even more work with the 720P, using algorithms to smooth the spaces between the 480 actual lines of information.

The Holy Grail of the whole industry is 1080P... maximum resolution, maximum smoothness. It's still in the future. You can buy a TV that does it, but not a DVD player or anything to send that quality of signal to it. Someday, the second half will catch up, but for now, no one even knows what kind of connection you would need to get 1080P into the TV. So buying a 1080P TV now does not guarantee you will be able to use it with the new players.

And then it would have to be recorded in a 1080P format.

And then we would all be in video nirvana...:D

there's probably a couple of minor technical inaccuracies in the whole story, but it should explain where we are today.:)
 
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Leprkon

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5.1 DTS guy said:
Well thats a plasma, with enhanced definition
please note that enhanced definition plasma's are basically 480P in display.
 
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zumbo

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Leprkon said:
please note that enhanced definition plasma's are basically 480P in display.
Is that a good thing, or a bad thing?:eek:
 
Matt34

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I was looking yesterday in Sears and the Sony SXRB had the best view out of the Samsung, panasonic, toshiba and sharp. The mitsubishi(don't recall what model #) would have been my second choice.

I think it would be worth paying the same price for the smaller 50" SXRB over the Sony KDF-E60A20 just for the much improved PQ.
 
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Thanks for your help everyone, and Leprkon, your explanation really clarifies things. Zumbo, the reason I didn't acknowledge your comment about DLP being better than LCD is because subconsciously I'm already set on DLP (after doing some more research).:) Actually, my budget is under 3,000. Do you guys think buying a 1080p tv is a bad decision, given its really new technology? Has it proven itself yet, or is it better to wait until next generation 1080p TVs come out?
 
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zumbo

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Found another conversation from a Samsung owner.

Naves74 said:
What do you think about your 61" Samsung DLP. I am planning on buying one this weekend and would just like to know what you think about it.
The Chukker said:
It's a great panel that gives you a lot of bang for the buck. Keep in mind that mine is 720p, as is most content out there. A good buddy of mine just bought one of the newer 1080p panels and to be honest it didn't scale non-native signals very well (which right now is everything) -- although to be fair 1080i looked "ok". Something to consider, but as in everything make up your own mind by auditioning the product in person...
 
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5.1 DTS guy

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At first I was leaning toward the Samsung HL-R5667W, its a 56 inch DLP, that offers 1080p, on sale at frys for about 3 grand. But if 1080p has compromises, I dont know.
 
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andy sullivan

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Now the DLP market is moving towards a new technology. LED based light engines, eliminating color wheels and old style bulbs. These will be available in 720p and 1080p. Samsung will be shipping these units soon. Ain't progress a treat?
 
GlocksRock

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5.1 DTS guy said:
At first I was leaning toward the Samsung HL-R5667W, its a 56 inch DLP, that offers 1080p, on sale at frys for about 3 grand. But if 1080p has compromises, I dont know.
The HL-R5667W is only a 720p set. I think the 5668 is 1080p.
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

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I have the HL-R5067 and it's awesome, I should have waited a few weeks and got the 5667, but it's all good, I'm happy with what I have. Check out www.onecall.com they have excellent prices and shipping is fast. Plus they are authorized dealers for everything they sell.
 
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clayman88

Junior Audioholic
5.1 DTS guy said:
Well, its time to upgrade for the living room, so i've done my share of research and have narrowed the choices down to a few models, but what do you guys think would be the best bet for an LCD or DLP rear projection under 3,000 bucks? Is 1080p the best way to go? What are some key features that are a must for an HDTV? Is DLP that superior to LCD? Thanks for any advice.
Hey, I'm looking to purchase a similar TV within the next year as well. I've been doing a crap-load of comparisons and reading on different forums and review sites. I can totally understand why you think 1080p is not worth the extra money. However, the reason I have chosen to wait for a RPTV (that accepts 1080p) is because I want a TV that will last me for a very long time. In other words, 1080p sources are on their way, maybe a couple years, but I don't want to have to upgrade for a long time. When the Blue-rays & HD-DVD's come out I want to be ready.

Also, if you haven't seen this already, there are some Mitsubishi dealers that are playing a pre-recorded 1080p video loop on their Mitsu's. The video has clips from football, nature and a few other things. IMHO, there is definitely an improvement from 720p. I wish Sony had something like that to show off it's mad skills. (maybe they do and I just haven't seen it though)

Based on what is available right now, I'd go with either the Sony SXRD or one of the 1080p Mitsubishi's. In the end its going to come down to what your eyes (and the rest of your families) like best. Also, make sure whatever TV you chose has a plenty of HDMI &/or DVI inputs as well as component inputs. Good Luck :)
 

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