Best Buy Speaker Demo

Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
While in Best Buy yesterday, I thought I'd audition some speakers. The four sets were Athena's WS100's (the new tall thin design), the Athena AS-F1 (clearing them out), the Klipsch Synergy III F-3's with dual 8" woofers and a horn tweeter, and the Yamaha NS 125F (compare to the Athena WS100 design).

This will not be a review, just an observation, as my 2 yr old son was also with me.

First off, all speakers were being run by the same Yamaha receiver. I used classic and jazz to test the speakers first, then rock and rap for bass response. I did not use a sub at first with any of the speakers, even though the tall thin towers tend to require them.

Athena WS100:
In a word - disappointed. Highly. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. For $540, there are much better choices. I don't care how cool they look next to a plasma or lcd. The high's were muted, the midrange was lacking, and there was absolutely no bass anywhere. You would think with classical or jazz, these would do fine. They didn't. Check them out and and see what I mean. These speakers don't deserve any more critiqueing. Just plain bad.

Athena AS-F1:
In a word - wow. These are the towers everyone raves about, but with the single 8" woofer. They are being discontinued at BB stores, so if you want them, get them quick. If I had to do it all over again on a budget, I'd go with the AS line. They played smooth, tight, and with an amazing amount of low end. You could get away without a sub for music, but I'd recommend one anyhow. Simply the best speaker Best Buy sells, and hot competition for other towers costing many times more. They are that good. The marketing department should be fired for replacing them with the WS line. Just when consumers realize how good of a product this is, they go replacing it with garbage.

Klipsch Synergy III F-3:
In a word - powerful. These towers are beefy. Very well made, nice looking, and heavy. They played louder than any of the other speakers demod at the same settings, had more bass, and almost overpowering highs. These speakers are a nice choice for top 40, rock, rap, and HT. The aluminum horn tweeters are extremely efficient, and produce a wide frequency range. I had horns in college, and nothing beat them for loud, never ending parties. They take everything you give them. They may be a little too much for you classic or jazz loving soles, but work nicely with a HT setup. Horns or aluminum tweeters aren't as smooth as soft dome tweeters. They don't reproduce the string instruments with the same clarity. Keep that in mind when buying speakers with horns. These are a fantastic choice for a lower to mid end receiver lacking in power. The specs are impressive. "Handles up to 600 watts peak power and 150 watts RMS (continuous) power @ 8 ohms; 98dB sensitivity." The sensitivity number is amazing. For every three dB loss in sensitivity, you need twice the wattage for equivalent volume. That means my 89dB rated Polk RTi10's need three times the power to play at the same level as do the Synergies. That means less stress on the receiver, lower operating temperature, and less distortion. No other speaker I demo'd today put out as much bass or amount of highs as these did. You absolutely could get away without a subwoofer with this set. The Athena F2 weren't there to compare, but I would question if they could keep up with these F-3's in the bass department. Nice job with the bass, Klipsch. I'll still pick the Athena AS-F1 over these Klipsch for overall sound and value. The Klipsch tweeters were a bit much for my aging ears.

Yamaha NS 125F:
In a word - impressive. Sitting next to the Athena WS100's and being smaller in size, I was ready for disappointment. How could these sound better, and cost less? Where would the bass come from? I had a feeling the mids and highs were going to sound better than the mud coming from the Athena's. I put them on and "hello." I checked to make sure there were no mini subs hooked up. I checked again. And again. Where was this bass coming from? It wasn't a ton, but much more than this speaker would allow you to believe. These won't compare in sound to the Athena AS-F1, but if space is limited and you want a modern look next to your plasma, they are worth a listen. They do require a separate sub.

I added a sub to all these speakers after the demo, and they all benefitted. I wouldn't recommend the smaller, less expensive subs with any of the above speakers. You need to budget at least $350 or more on a worthwhile sub unless you can find a bargain on ebay. The HSU's and SVS's still seem to be the best bang for the buck. You'd have to get one heck of a sub for the AS-F1 and Synergy line due to their already outstanding bass response.

Sorry for the layman style audition. I'm not Clint or Gene with reviews, but I do enjoy comparing the newest gadgets on the market. Keep in mind, I don't own any of the speakers listed above, so this was totally unbiased other than my ears and perceptions in that listening environment. (I also spent some time with the new Canon SD series cameras if anyone is interested - I own a S400 and it's a gem)
 

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mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
How much better are the Klipsch Reference Line, then the Synergy line? I went to Best Buy yesterday just to listen to some speakers. Because as a lot of you know I am still very new to Audio/Video. I listened to the F-1, F-2, F-3 floor stand speakers, and the B-2, B-3 bookshelf speakers. I also tried the Sub-10, and Sub-12. I don't want to offend anyone here, but I thought the subs suc-ked. It was like pushing the "mega bass" button on my kids compact stereo system. The F-1 floor stand to me had no midrange to it at all, very tinny, no depth to it if you know what I mean. The F-2 was a little better, and the F-3 was OK. The F-3 produced some decent midrange, and treble. Not want I expected to hear from all the good things I hear about Klipsch. I don't really know what I was expecting, but I know I didn't hear anything that knocked my sock off.

O and but the way, BEST BUY SUC-KS
Not one person even asked if I needed any assistance.

Buckeyefan 1,
I posted this on another forum a few weeks ago. It just goes to show you everyone has a different ear for sound. You thought they where powerful, I thought they sucked.
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
I only demo'd the F-3's. Can't say how the smaller models sounded. Klipsch are known for their extreme sound pressure levels, as well as very pronounced highs. The F-3 added bass that sounded like it was coming from a 12" woofer. The Reference line has even more power handling. It is possible the receiver that was hooked up was not set properly. If it was hooked up to a Pioneer with the bass and treble boosted, it could have sounded lousy. The Yamaha's they use at our BB are all set to flat as they should be. Who knows what they do from store to store.
 
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silversurfer

Senior Audioholic
I would tend to agree with Buckeye's assesments, but I would cut the speakers some slack because of the listening environment. I know my local BestBuy never has anything set up properly.
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
At my local BB, the all the subs are either blown, damaged or very badly calibrated. I've never heard a sub sound decent there, even a couple that later sounded nice in my home. YMMV, as will your local BB.

BTW, I think those Athena Auditions are the ones to beat in their price range. Very impressive considering how cheap they are.
 
MacManNM

MacManNM

Banned
I went to BB too!

Just to let you guys know I also went to BB on sat. I brought my new BIC DV84's with me. I wanted to hear them next to some different towers. They let me hook them up using an A/B speaker switch to a pioneer receiver.

The only Towers they had were the Klipsh F-3's. Let me tell you, I think the Klipsh were terrible. They almost gave me a headache they were so bright. The BIC's blew them away. Unfortunately, I wasn't alowed to stay long, the manager kindly asked me to take my toys and go home. The sales guy loved the BIC's, and wanted to know where he could get a pair, when I told him how much I paid (under $300 for the pair) he almost fell over. I had a blast!
 
J

JJMP50

Full Audioholic
Athena F1's

Well I went over to BB yesterday and got the last pair of Athena F1's. It didn't work out quite the way I planned but close. I knew they were out of inventory and only had the 2 on display. I got a sales rep and asked him if he could mark them as OPEN BOX ITEMS with the 15% off. Not a problem. Of course I had the additional 30% off OPEN ITEM coupon I posted elsewhere on this site. Their computer would only give me the 30% off one of the speakers. I'm not really complaining. I got a pair of F1s for $160. Like someone else said, the grills take a little beating and one of mine is missing the bottom conectors. It doesn't vibrate so no big deal.

So now this little budget system in my basement which started out with some HTIB plastic system all in one DVD/VHS junk (ended up in the trash), has grown into a Pioneer based sysem with a universal player and an Athena HT system (F1+C1+B1+P300). When does it stop?

Time to start upgrading my main system. My 6 year old Yamaha is getting a little out dated.
 
Iolaus

Iolaus

Audiophyte
Bird said:
Well I went over to BB yesterday and got the last pair of Athena F1's.... Of course I had the additional 30% off OPEN ITEM coupon I posted elsewhere on this site.
I'm new here, and I am thinking of grabbing the open-box AS-F1s at my local BB. Where would I find this 30% off coupon you speak of? Is it still valid?
 
J

JJMP50

Full Audioholic
Coupon

Sorry Iolaus,

I just checked and it's no longer available.
 
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klagarde

Audiophyte
Athena WS-100 VS Yamaha NS-125F

RE: BB [Best Buy] comparison: "Yamaha NS 125F:In a word - impressive. Sitting next to the Athena WS100's and being smaller in size...."

I'm confused by the comparison.... the Yamaha NS 125F is NOT smaller in size than the Athena WS-100.... the Yamahas are MUCH larger.

SO.... I'm wondering if there was a typo?? Are the Athena WS-100 [small] better or worse than the Yamaha NS 125F [larger]????
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
klagarde said:
RE: BB [Best Buy] comparison: "Yamaha NS 125F:In a word - impressive. Sitting next to the Athena WS100's and being smaller in size...."

I'm confused by the comparison.... the Yamaha NS 125F is NOT smaller in size than the Athena WS-100.... the Yamahas are MUCH larger.

SO.... I'm wondering if there was a typo?? Are the Athena WS-100 [small] better or worse than the Yamaha NS 125F [larger]????
The Athena WS100 towers are 41.5" tall

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7035102&type=product&id=1099395865333

The Yamaha NSF125's are 41.3" tall.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007LQ28Q/103-8196972-8779029?v=glance&n=172282
 
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tdamocles

Junior Audioholic
Buckeyefan 1 said:
I only demo'd the F-3's. Can't say how the smaller models sounded. Klipsch are known for their extreme sound pressure levels, as well as very pronounced highs. The F-3 added bass that sounded like it was coming from a 12" woofer. The Reference line has even more power handling. It is possible the receiver that was hooked up was not set properly. If it was hooked up to a Pioneer with the bass and treble boosted, it could have sounded lousy. The Yamaha's they use at our BB are all set to flat as they should be. Who knows what they do from store to store.

I kinda like the Klipsch f-2. I think they have nice, tight bass. I think the f-3 has muddy bass. I like the sound of horn tweeters. For some reason all other tweeters sound flat. I guess 'I say tomato, you say tomoto.'
 
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corey

Senior Audioholic
Maybe, just so people don't get confused, we could refer to the Best Buy Synergy speakers as "Kips" & the real ones, the Reference series & THX, as "Klipsch"
 
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