Best 7.2 reciever for around $1K

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jsulse

Audioholic Intern
Looking into the Onkyo TX-NR808 which can be had for around $800. It will be used for some critcal listening but it will mostly do the theater/blue-ray duties. Anything else out there in this price range I should consider?

Thanks,
Joseph
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Looking into the Onkyo TX-NR808 which can be had for around $800. It will be used for some critcal listening but it will mostly do the theater/blue-ray duties. Anything else out there in this price range I should consider?

Thanks,
Joseph
I have a hard time calling that 7.2, because I don't believe it's doing a separate calibration file for each subwoofer. Surely a summed calibration. In which case, a simple Y-splitter cable for a couple of bucks will instantly turn any 7.1 receiver into a 7.2 unit.

That said, I would put the Denon 4310 on your list, if only because M Code believes it's one of the best deals going on right now (superceded by 4311, which is the receiver that presently interests me the most). If you compare the pricing of the 4310 with the 3310 and even the 3311, you will see that they are quite similar in pricing.

The 4310 is made in Japan, IIRC what M Code said about it. Dunno about the other models listed.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I also think for 1K the 4310 is hard to beat. It is not 3D capable but other than than it is a much better unit than the 4311 in my opinion.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I also think for 1K the 4310 is hard to beat. It is not 3D capable but other than than it is a much better unit than the 4311 in my opinion.
Ok, I gotta ask (forgive my utter lack of research), how is this so?

I had to go run a search for a query I've previously asked you, regarding 4811 vs 4311. If 4310>4311 in your opinion, then I must imagine 4810(4811)>>4311. But, your response seemed to be that it wasn't really much of a difference. Perhaps you've learned some more things since this last response? Thank you PENG.

Nothing gold plated:D, no AL24 advanced (4308/10 have that in all 7 channels), no wifi etc, nothing really wrong other than going from the 4308 it would make me feel like a very minor upgrade in terms of HDMI inputs and a little downgrade in the other departments.
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=771581&postcount=15

oh yeah, I had forgotten that AVRat bought a 4810. He is a Rat bastard.
 
Nemo128

Nemo128

Audioholic Field Marshall
Is the 4310 really that good? You guys are making me think I should consider it over the 3311.
 
A

alwill

Audiophyte
You might take a look at a great deal on the Onkto TX-NR3008 at Newegg. Also a$500 promo on the Yamaha VR-A2000 also Newegg. Maybe more options than you want?
 
digicidal

digicidal

Full Audioholic
Is the 4310 really that good? You guys are making me think I should consider it over the 3311.
I'm not sure but I just placed my order for one so I'll post some feelings on it once I have the complete setup all moved in and running for a little while. I'm sure my initial impression will be that it's incredible since it will definitely be a big upgrade from my Pioneer 1019AH - which although very nice looking and reasonably priced has some major limitations and idiosyncracies that have made the past year and a half somewhat irritating to say the least. :rolleyes:

However, after I get over the initial elation, I'm sure there will be plenty of things I wish were different - since I've never met a piece of technology I couldn't find reasons not to love if I try.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Ok, I gotta ask (forgive my utter lack of research), how is this so?

I had to go run a search for a query I've previously asked you, regarding 4811 vs 4311. If 4310>4311 in your opinion, then I must imagine 4810(4811)>>4311. But, your response seemed to be that it wasn't really much of a difference. Perhaps you've learned some more things since this last response? Thank you PENG.



http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=771581&postcount=15

oh yeah, I had forgotten that AVRat bought a 4810. He is a Rat bastard.
AVRat is the man, his 4810 is a mighty AVR that quite possibly has those good to look at gold plated RCA plugs that my 4308 also has.:D Anyway I have not learnt anything new since. I think the 4310 is better because I have more faith in the Burr Brown DACs that Denon has been using for a long time. The Burr Brown PCM18791 DAC has better specs, but that does not mean they can make real world material sound better. Basically I just don't like the fact that Denon seems to have opted to cut back in quality in their newer units. Looking at their Literature/Product sheet, the Denon badge is conspicuously missing on the power transformer. So what else did they cut back on? Personally I would not pull the trigger on the 4311 until I see at least one review by either HTM, S&V or HCC. Like ADTG, I am keen on specs and lab measured numbers such as S/N, cross talks, THD etc.

The 4311 does have two features that may be important to many people, the Audyssey MultiEQXT32 and the 3D capable HDMI1.4a.

Sorry I exaggerated things a little and might have misled you.
 
digicidal

digicidal

Full Audioholic
Looking at their Literature/Product sheet, the Denon badge is conspicuously missing on the power transformer. So what else did they cut back on? Personally I would not pull the trigger on the 4311 until I see at least one review by either HTM, S&V or HCC. Like ADTG, I am keen on specs and lab measured numbers such as S/N, cross talks, THD etc..
Well if you look closely at the back of all of their new units (either in person or on the denon website pics) you'll notice that now even their highest-end units 'proudly' proclaim their Made in China status. That was actually the biggest reason I decided to go with the 4310 as it does indeed state on the chassis that it is made in Japan.

Call it bigoted, biased, whatever - if I can avoid Chinese goods (even the great ones from trusted companies) then I will avoid them. I'm far from an "America is #1" kinda guy - but if I can possibly buy any mass-produced anything from the US, Japan, Germany, even Taiwan and Indonesia - then I will gladly do so.

Not that products from those countries don't have problems... they do - but in my experience, far fewer. Plus it just pisses me off when companies move their production to China (presumedly for cost savings) and raise the price to the consumer despite reducing the overall quality of the product - and I say ENOUGH!

I've heard of people having problems with the Denon's even when they were all Japan-fabbed goods... but since now they have joined the ranks of Pioneer and Marantz - and I've had personal experiences with lowered quality products coming from both brands as opposed to 3-5 years ago.

Not saying the new lines are garbage - I'm sure they're still good feature-wise, but I worry about the long-term durability a bit more. On the other hand - metal goods and furniture from China seem to often be of a higher quality that those of a similar price-range sourced locally. :(
 
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BtrSound

Audiophyte
I am in the same boat really.

I am not sure if this information helps you out any, but it has helped me narrow my decision down to two.

It looks like it is coming down to the Onkyo TX-NR1008/1007 or the Denon 3311.

The Onkyo is measured out as follows:

Factory rating 135w per channel
1 Channel: 177W
2 Channels 160w
5 Channels 125W
6 Channels 45W

It is also 9.2, so I can add two subs and bi amp the front two Rti a7's, while still keeping it in 7.1.

i could not find the lab tests for the 3311, but the precurser the AVR-989 (a precurser) came out as follows:

Factor rating: 115w per channel:
Bench Test:

1 Channel: 155w
2 channels: 130W
5 Channels: 112W
7 Channels: 100W.

It also have the ability to have two subs and pre outs for future expansion.

i know in HT it is rare to use all 7 channels, but I do like Multi channel for listening to music.

I do like the feature set on the Pioneer 1120, but the lab tests came out less than steller on the only test I could find and that was on the Pioneer VSX-1019AH.

HT Labs Measures
Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 28.7 watts
1% distortion at 34.3 watts

Not good. I assume that the 1120 has similar results.

the lab tests were from Sound and Vision Magazine and Home Theater Magazine.

Has anyone run the onk 1007 0r 1008 or the Denon 3311 with the Rti a7's? If so, what do you think?
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
PENG, thanks for clarifying your thought process, advice, opinion, warning. Maybe I should just keep sticking with my 805 for a longer haul after all.

digicidal, thanks for the info regarding the Chinese manufactured or assembled of even their current high end.
 
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gajenn

Audioholic Intern
I spent a few weeks researching which reciever to get. Narrowed it down to the marantz 6005 or 7005 and the denon 3311. When I found I could get the 3311 for 779 including shipping I went for it..I've had it now 5 weeks and its really fine..sound for my kef Q's is very good and the picture-video is excellent.. no problems at all..
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I would not pull the trigger on the 4311 until I see at least one review by either HTM, S&V or HCC, and of course a full review complete with lab measurements by Audioholics would be the best and most reliable of all. Like ADTG, I am keen on specs and lab measured numbers such as S/N, cross talks, THD etc.
I have to quote myself to make one important edit (in bolt italic, to avoid confusion).:eek:
 
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Ziontrain

Audioholic Intern
Call it bigoted, biased, whatever - if I can avoid Chinese goods (even the great ones from trusted companies) then I will avoid them. I'm far from an "America is #1" kinda guy - but if I can possibly buy any mass-produced anything from the US, Japan, Germany, even Taiwan and Indonesia - then I will gladly do so.
Just so you know, regardless of where the final unit is assembled, the components parts would still most likely be primarily made in china, as that is where it is cheapest to make these relatively "dirty" electronics. You'll need to inspect your purchase - and it's supply chain - a lot more closely in order to actually do what you are trying to do. And good luck getting an openly published bill of parts. Maybe from Ifixit if you are lucky.
 
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gp4Jesus

Audiophyte
I have a hard time calling that 7.2... ...a simple Y-splitter cable for a couple of bucks will instantly turn any 7.1 receiver into a 7.2 unit.
Rotel RSP 1068 has 2 sub out jacks-still 7.1
 
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