B&W vs Paradign S8 Vs Magnepan 3.6 vs Revel F32 vs more

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90gstman

Audioholic Intern
I recently helped a friend of mine purchase a pair of speakers for his new home theater room and just wanted to share my observations on the speakers we auditioned. He had auditioned two speakers, the B&W 803S and Paradigm S8, and wanted my opinion on how they sounded. So I gathered up a stack of disks (that vary widely), cleaned the wax out of my ears, went listening, and choosing between two turned into choosing between six. Here are my observations:

B&W 803S: This was the first pair of speakers of the group I sat down to have a listen. My first impression was that they were so smooth. They didn’t seem to do anything wrong. The bass was somewhat laid back but actually went fairly deep. It was all there, but not in your face. Midrange sounded natural and very polite. And the tweeter (This is the aluminum version) was very smooth and open, not the least bit harsh. All in all it was a very easy speaker to just sit back and listen to music with. Total time spent auditioning: 3+ hrs.

Paradigm S8: After a quick swap from the B&W’s with the same setup it was easy to hear the difference. The S8’s sounded more dynamic. They had more mid bass punch but I think the B&W’s went deeper. The midrange did not sound as refined and the top end was defiantly brighter. Not harsh, just slightly elevated. In the interest of full disclosure I would like to point out that one of the midrange drivers was slightly damaged and had a very faint buzz that once I noticed, I could not tune it out. Total time spent auditioning: 1/2 hr.

Magnepan 3.6: A few days later we got to listen to the big Magies in a big room. Wow! I’ve never had the opportunity to listen to a pair of planers before, and two of my misconceptions were thrown right out the door. 1) Lack of bass: Not at all, they easily go down to the mid 30’s. 2) Lack of dynamics: While they don’t have the punch of the Paradigms, they are right there with the B&W’s. Where they really excelled was in the lightness and openness of the sound. They absolutely disappear in the room. They also made every instrument sound life size. I’m going to attribute this to the large radiating area (each panel is like 2 ft wide by 6.5 ft tall). These were a real joy to listen to, man I love the way they sound. But, and there’s a big butt, it’s the sheer size of these speakers. You need a room that’s large enough to accommodate them. Also they are not exactly pretty, unless you like looking at walls. Did I mention I loved how they sounded. Total time spent auditioning: 1 hr.

Martin Logan Vantage?: They had some of the three dimensionality of the Magnapans but something was just not right. They sounded dark. As you may know, these are hybrids in that they use an electrostatic driver up top and an active (amplified) dynamic cone for the bass. I feel the bass driver could just not keep up with the electrostatic driver. To me, it was very noticeable. We tried lowering the level of the bass driver by 3 db as well as moving them out more into the room to get ride of some of the boom or muddiness but had no luck. They just didn’t sound coherent, like I was listening to two good, but different speakers. That low end heaviness just made them sound dark. Total time spent auditioning: 20 minutes.

Revel F32: Ah, refined bass, smooth and tight. The top end was a little edgy though. This may just be because I just finished listened to a pair of planners and electrostatics but there was something edgy or beaming about the tweeter. It may not bother some, so I would not discount these at all. Also, getting a central image was hard. This may be due to the 55 inch LCD TV that was between the pair (although we were listening in two channel they were in a home theater set up). Total time spent auditioning: 1/2 hr.

B&W 803D: These sounded exactly like the 803S. Maybe a smidge more bass extension. I was having a hard time telling the difference between the 803D and 803S. In my mind, not enough to justify the increase in price. Or you can look at it as the 803S is a bargain. Total time spent auditioning: 15 minutes.

B&W 683: After listening to all these great speakers but not being able to afford them, I wanted to here something in my price range. I’ll keep it short. No comparison. Loose bass, edgy highs, cheep looking cabinet. In their price range, I’m sure they compare well, but after hearing the above….

In the end my friend ended up buying the B&W 803S. It seemed to do all things well and are very easy to listen to. We both agree that if the space was available it would have been the Magnipan 3.6’s that went home with him.

If you’ve listened to or own any of these add your opinions or thoughts.
 
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oppman99

Senior Audioholic
Nice write-up. I only have experience with the Paradigms and the B&W's. The 683's didn't do anything for me either. I've auditioned the B&W 802D's. They definately seem to go lower than the S8's and I'd say the imaging is more three dimensional and accurate. I didn't care for the diamond tweeter though. I know it's about how they sound instead of looks, but I am not a fan of the tweeter sticking out of the top of the cabinets on B&W's. Aside from that, I thought they were incredible. As you can see from my Sig I have S8's. I find I really like the Be tweeter and the overall presentation. I can't really afford anything more expensive than what I have, but I'm very happy with them, and that's what counts.

I'd love to audition a pair of Revel Salon2's even though I could never afford them. A guy can dream though....
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I've listened to older 60X series from BW, and also wasn't impressed. I have heard 804S, 802D, something else, 703. I am very impressed with the 80X line. I thought the 70X series was just ok. I did listen to those side by side with Quad L series towers, while the salesman went to grab lunch, and I did think the 703 was waaay better than the Quads, but they were also twice the price. I also agree the Vantage has a suckout of sorts in the midrange/midbass area. It is better than the totally passive Vista, but you need to get to Spire/Summit level to hear MUCH better integration. Not perfect, but much, much better. They will have double the drivers and amps, with a lower xover too. I've never heard any Revel or Paradigm.

I'm sure it would be tough to go auditioning for such fine speakers, and then have to listen to 683.

I think I would give Ascend Acoustics a try, if I were you. The excellent offaxis response of their speakers is very good for the money, and they have a nice clarity to them.

Some would say Infinity Primus bookshelves are excellent in many ways, but I have never heard them.

I would keep it to bookshelves if I were you, and add sub(s) if you want, when you want.

Keep Salk Sound in mind too, however, I've never heard them. If I were buying with what I'm guessing your budget is, I'd probably order both Salk and Ascend, and keep my personal winner. Good luck to you sir, and thanks for the review.
 
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90gstman

Audioholic Intern
oppman99: One of the shops we went to did have a pair of the Revel Ultima Salon 2 sitting right next to the Magnepans. I so wanted to ask them to hook them up so I could hear what $22,000 sounded like, but I felt way to guilty to ask. Besides, the Magnepans were making me happy and I probably subconciasly didn't want the Revel's to take that away from me.

jostenmeat: Funny you should mention the Salks. I have decided for less than the money of the 683's I could put together my own (I have been building speakers for 20-25 years now, although until recently I've kinda taken a 10yr break). Doing some reasearch I've decided on using a seas w18ex001 mid and a fountek neoCD2 ribbon tweeter and a pair of 8" or 10" woofers. I've come to find out that the The Salk Veracity HT3's use the same mid and a similar ribbon tweeter. I'll let everyone know in about 6 months how it works out.
 
majorloser

majorloser

Moderator
wow, a very nice and detailed review on these higher end model
but sadly i couldnt get my hands on them
*sad*
Can you explain what that is at the end of your posts?
It is hidden from normal view but I modified the text to make it visible.

It appears to be something we probably don't want on this forum. I will be editing all of your posts to remove the extra text.
 
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oppman99

Senior Audioholic
oppman99: One of the shops we went to did have a pair of the Revel Ultima Salon 2 sitting right next to the Magnepans. I so wanted to ask them to hook them up so I could hear what $22,000 sounded like, but I felt way to guilty to ask. Besides, the Magnepans were making me happy and I probably subconciasly didn't want the Revel's to take that away from me.
I know what you're saying. I'm afraid if I heard the Salons, I'd no longer be happy with my current gear. Maybe it's a blessing I can't find a pair to demo around here.
 
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