AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I plan on auditioning some speakers. This list includes B&W, Revel, & RBH.

The B&W dealer has the 803D ($8K/pr), 802D ($12K/pr), & 800D ($22K/pr). Components include NAD M55, M15, & M25. The ~ 16’W x 18’L x 12’H room is fully decked out with giant acoustic panels, sofas, & drapes. The speakers are ~ 3’ from the front wall and ~4’ from the side walls, ~ 7’ apart, toed inward. The listening position is centered and ~ 8’ away.

The Revel dealer has the Performa M22 ($2K/pr). Components are from Lexicon & Mark Levinson. The room is about the same size as the B&W dealer, but even more decked out with fancy beautiful looking acoustic panels that blended in perfectly with the walls. Distances were similar to the B&W.

The RBH dealer has the T3 flagship system. I have not been this dealer yet. The speaker system actually resides inside the owner’s personal home theater room. I’ve only spoken to the owner. I’ll have to set up an appointment in about 2 weeks since things are busy for me the next 2 weeks.

Today I auditioned the B&W 803D & 802D and the Revel M22. I spent about 2 hrs on the B&Ws and 1 hr on the Revel.

Tomorrow the B&W dealer will set up the 800D in the same room for me to audition.

I brought along a Mozart Piano Concerto no. 20 & 21 CD (Infinity Digital DDD, Sergei Uruvayev pianist). I've listened to these 2 concertos (different recordings) since I was in 17 yrs old.

I also brought along my favorite CDs that I listen to on a daily basis:
1) Smallville: Island In The Sun, Superman, Don’t Dream It’s Over, Time After Time
2) The Eagles Hell Freezes Over
3) Deadzone: New Years Prayer, Someone Like Me

B&W 803 impressions:
I paid close attention to the piano and strings on the Mozart concertos. The treble and midrange were not any more special than any $2K speakers I’ve listened to. Actually, I thought they sounded a little compressed somehow. The piano sounded like any $2K speakers I’ve listened to, and so did the violins and the rest of the orchestra. When it came to the Pop/Rock CDs, the bass was seriously lacking for my personal taste.

B&W 802D impressions:
I thought the treble and midrange sounded the same as the 803D – not anymore special than other $2K speakers. The bass on the Pop/Rock music was better than the 803D, but still lacking for my tastes.

Revel M22 impressions:
I thought the treble and midrange sounded better than both the B&Ws. I thought overall the M22s were clearer and more dynamic than the B&Ws. I thought the M22 sounded better than the B&Ws when playing the Mozart CD. However, the bass was seriously lacking (what do you expect from a bookshelf?).

For today I will conclude that just because I am not very impressed with these B&W speakers doesn’t mean anyone else will feel the same. The B&W 802D & 803D may sound like the best speakers in the world to some people. Their midrange and treble may be the absolute best to some, and their bass may be absolutely adequate to some. I truly believe it. I have no doubt about it. I have a lot of respect for the members here who hold these B&W speakers dear to their hearts. May we all find the speakers that suit us all the best.

I plan on listening to the B&W 800D tomorrow and hopefully the RBH 3T in a couple of weeks.:D
 
adwilk

adwilk

Audioholic Ninja
I personally share your lack of enthusiasm for the B&W stuff. I don't know why I don't really like them, I just don't. My understanding is that they are neutral enough to produce just about any "signature" you want.. whatever. I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the RBH gear. Having heard the T1 (big difference from the T3 i'm sure), I think you'll probably like them based on their incredible dynamic ability. Good speaker for sure...

I'm curious though... and I'm sure you don't really want suggestions- but... Any shot you could give the Songtowers an audition? Its the last speaker that I've heard that made my jaw drop a bit. I was extremely impressed. I can only imagine how much better something in the Veracity line must be. Might be worth adding to the list if you're seriously speaker hunting. I really really want to hear the JTR stuff, but something with Salk tattooed on it is on my very short list when I decide to pull the trigger.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Any shot you could give the Songtowers an audition? Its the last speaker that I've heard that made my jaw drop a bit. I was extremely impressed. I can only imagine how much better something in the Veracity line must be.
I love auditioning speakers. The only problem is finding the dealerships that carry them. I have never seen any Salk speakers in my area. But I will keep my eyes open.:D
 
D

Docks

Audioholic
I personally didnt have a problem with the bass from B&W's. For me it seemed like they were a colored sounding speaker.
I really suggest you give the S8's another listen, V2 or V3 with the Be tweeter. The V1s are known for being a bit hot on the highs.

They are very accurate (This is only the V1!)--> The S8's listening-window response (a five-point average of axial and +/–15-degree horizontal and vertical responses) measures +1.92/–1.44 dB from 200 Hz to 10 kHz.

http://www.hometheatermag.com/floorloudspeakers/1004paradigm/index2.html

Revel F52's are also very nice --> The F52's listening-window response (a five-point average of axial and +/–15-degree horizontal and vertical responses) measures +1.44/–2.37 decibels from 200 hertz to 10 kilohertz.

http://www.hometheatermag.com/floorloudspeakers/506revel/index2.html
 
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
Administrator
You should definitely have a listen to the RBH T3s but be warned that's a HUGE speaker system. You may want to consider a T30 system which is a bit smaller and has the Status Acoustics upgraded drivers in it. The T3s will have a slight advantage in bass but the T30s mid/top end will surpass the T3s.

If you're looking for a dynamic lifelike speaker, than the RBH's have a huge advantage over the others on your list. On the downside they aren't as pretty as the other brands and they may not sound as good if sitting away from the listening area since their sound is focused to the listening area due to the special tweet/mid alignment.
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
I love auditioning speakers. The only problem is finding the dealerships that carry them. I have never seen any Salk speakers in my area. But I will keep my eyes open.:D
Did you email Jim to see if the has any customers in the area? I didn't see any on the audition list but that doesn't mean that there are not any;)
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
You should definitely have a listen to the RBH T3s but be warned that's a HUGE speaker system. You may want to consider a T30 system which is a bit smaller and has the Status Acoustics upgraded drivers in it. The T3s will have a slight advantage in bass but the T30s mid/top end will surpass the T3s.

If you're looking for a dynamic lifelike speaker, than the RBH's have a huge advantage over the others on your list. On the downside they aren't as pretty as the other brands and they may not sound as good if sitting away from the listening area since their sound is focused to the listening area due to the special tweet/mid alignment.
I just checked out the RBH website regarding the T30, and they listed them as 18Hz-20kHz +/3dB.

Is that WITHOUT the extra sub crossover and amps just playing full-range single-amped?:eek:

Oh, and I definitely only care about the listening area. :D
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Did you email Jim to see if the has any customers in the area? I didn't see any on the audition list but that doesn't mean that there are not any;)
Well, I'm kind of shy so I don't feel very comfortable going to some strangers' houses unless they are the owners of the dealerships.:D

...That is unless I consider them "MUST-HEAR" speakers.:D

I think I'll be willing to go to some stranger's house to listen to the Linkwitz Orion, RBH T30, or Revel Salon2.:D
 
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
Administrator
I just checked out the RBH website regarding the T30, and they listed them as 18Hz-20kHz +/3dB.

Is that WITHOUT the extra sub crossover and amps just playing full-range single-amped?

Oh, and I definitely only care about the listening area.
Yes they are truly fullrange speakers. 1/2 of the top of the cabinet extends to the bottom of the cabinet for the dual 10" woofers. So the dual 10s basically have a huge cabinet volume which is all discussed in my review.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/floorstanding/rbh-t-30lse

Note that my review was of prototypes. RBH addressed most if not all of the issues I found as they've had 2 revs to the woofers since then and no longer have the leads slapping against the cone issue that I found at extreme output. They replaced my woofers since then and I should probably update the review accordingly.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Yes they are truly fullrange speakers. 1/2 of the top of the cabinet extends to the bottom of the cabinet for the dual 10" woofers. So the dual 10s basically have a huge cabinet volume which is all discussed in my review.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/floorstanding/rbh-t-30lse

Note that my review was of prototypes. RBH addressed most if not all of the issues I found as they've had 2 revs to the woofers since then and no longer have the leads slapping against the cone issue that I found at extreme output. They replaced my woofers since then and I should probably update the review accordingly.
Well, I cannot wait to audition the T3. I may try to squeeze it into my schedule this Friday.

If they sound awesome, I may just get the T30.:eek:
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
Are you looking to replace your BP7000SCs? Or just looking for personal confirmation that you have the best speakers out there for the money?
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Are you looking to replace your BP7000SCs? Or just looking for personal confirmation that you have the best speakers out there for the money?
My plan is to eventually have 2 rooms: One for Music only and one for Movie only.

My BP7000SC/7001SC/CLR3000/Trinity will be in the Movie room.

I'm looking for the "Ultimate Best Sounding" speakers that I am willing to pay for my Music room.:D

That is why I have a Denon 5308, and I just ordered the Denon AVP-A1HDCI. It is not to replace the Denon 5308.
 
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GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
What are the odds that you will end up with another pair of def techs for the music only room? Or are you ruling them out completely since they are bipolar?
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
What are the odds that you will end up with another pair of def techs for the music only room? Or are you ruling them out completely since they are bipolar?
I've listened to the Mythos at my local dealer, and I don't think they are quite as satisfying to me as the BP7000SC/7001SC.

If DefTech were coming out with an upgrade to the BP7000SC, that might be a different story. But according to them, they are not.

The only reason for me to spend any money would be to spend them on speakers that I think sound better than the BP7000SC.

If after auditioning the RBH T3 & Revel Salon2 and I still don't think any speakers sound better, then I will just keep on looking.:D

The money in my HT piggy bank is there and growing.:D
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I personally didnt have a problem with the bass from B&W's. For me it seemed like they were a colored sounding speaker.
I really suggest you give the S8's another listen, V2 or V3 with the Be tweeter. The V1s are known for being a bit hot on the highs.

They are very accurate (This is only the V1!)--> The S8's listening-window response (a five-point average of axial and +/–15-degree horizontal and vertical responses) measures +1.92/–1.44 dB from 200 Hz to 10 kHz.

http://www.hometheatermag.com/floorloudspeakers/1004paradigm/index2.html

Revel F52's are also very nice --> The F52's listening-window response (a five-point average of axial and +/–15-degree horizontal and vertical responses) measures +1.44/–2.37 decibels from 200 hertz to 10 kilohertz.

http://www.hometheatermag.com/floorloudspeakers/506revel/index2.html
The requirement for my next speakers is that they have to go down to 20Hz @ -3dB.:D
 
AJinFLA

AJinFLA

Banned
The only reason for me to spend any money would be to spend them on speakers that I think sound better than the BP7000SC.

If after auditioning the RBH T3 & Revel Salon2 and I still don't think any speakers sound better, then I will just keep on looking.:D
There might be slight differences and/or improvements in certain areas, but everything on your audition list (and suggested by others audition list) is the familiar, well traveled dead end road design, low-mid sensitivity, vertical stack direct radiator monopolar box speaker.

Do you know what Einstein said about people repeating the same experiment, yet expecting different results? ;)

cheers,

AJ
 
D

Docks

Audioholic
There might be slight differences and/or improvements in certain areas, but everything on your audition list (and suggested by others audition list) is the familiar, well traveled dead end road design, low-mid sensitivity, vertical stack direct radiator monopolar box speaker.

Do you know what Einstein said about people repeating the same experiment, yet expecting different results? ;)

cheers,

AJ

My girlfriend mentioned that to me a few days ago.. Funny to see that!
 
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