Axiom vs Paradigm Studio 100

[dmoss]

<font color='#000000'>I realize there is a significant price difference between the two speakers, but can any one tell if the sound quality is worth the price difference between the axiom m60ti vs the Paradigm Studio 100. &nbsp;The axiom are around $800 vs the Paradigm which are $1900. &nbsp;No local dealer for the Paradigm around. &nbsp;I am running with a rx-v2400 yamaha.</font>

 

[justchillin]

<font color='#000000'>What is the intended use for these speakers? HT or 2 channel audio? IF it's HT I wouldn't pay the bigger bucks for the Paradigm but if 2 channel is your goal than I probably would.</font>

 

[Audioholics]

<font color='#000080'>I could agree with that. If you haven't already, take a look at this review to get an idea of how the paradigm drivers compared to the Axioms.

You pay a hefty premium, though.</font>

 

[stiletto pat]

<font color='#000000'>DMoss,

I too carefully considered the Axioms vs the Paradigm Studio Reference V3 Series. &nbsp;Although I was very impressed with the Axioms for the money, I felt that they were lacking in midbass and low bass - perhaps that's because they are such bright sounding speakers. &nbsp;Even after an extensive listening session at an Axiom owners' house, (set up by Axiom via their website) with a very nice system consisting of M60s, QS-8s, a VP 150 and large SVS subwoofer, I came away feeling that the Paradigms still sound better - more balanced and natural, if you will. &nbsp;I had not been able to get any Paradigm dealer to come off from list price, but once I waived a cash deal in front of them for an entire system consisting of the Studio 100s, cc-470 and adp 470s, they discounted the price for a cash and carry deal, to the point where the pricing was 50% greater than a comparable Axiom system of M80s, QS-8s and VP 150. &nbsp;When the price point became only 50% greater (compared to a 100% difference for list price to list price, it was a no brainer - I wanted what I believed to be the better speaker. &nbsp;BTW, I paired them with a HSU TN-1220 Sub. &nbsp;I think it sounds excellent.

I tell you this recent story to echo the sentiments of many of the contributors to this site - go to your local dealer and give them a chance to improve their pricing to you. &nbsp;Once you tell them what you want to do and how you intend to do accomplish your goal, many of them will work with you. &nbsp;If you can't get the Paradigm dealer to work with you, I would think it safe to assume that the Axioms are always a good back up plan. &nbsp;Also, if you are in a tight money squeeze, Axiom's factory outlet sales plan seems to get rave reviews from their forum members....

Good luck, and let us know of your results....

Pat</font>

 

[dmoss]

<font color='#000000'>I contacted Paradigm with this email. It pretty well sums up the issues I have had with them.


I contacted your Dealer in: AUDIO CORNER, INC.
4754 DRESSLER RD N.W.
CANTON, OH
44718
330-493-5770
for information on your speakers. &nbsp;My question is where can I get a spec sheet listing the spec of the new Version 3 Studio 100's. &nbsp;When I went to your web site there is no version # listed. &nbsp;Never had to work so hard in my life to try and find out about a speaker and be able to go somewhere and hear them. &nbsp;All your reviews are great but your support is really lacking. &nbsp;I am trying to get some comparison of speaker sound and ability. &nbsp;At this point I am about ready to just forget and go buy the Axion m60ti's, much cheaper supposedly comparable. &nbsp;They will let me try their speakers for 30 days. &nbsp;You will not. &nbsp; With all your commitment to quality and re-investment to improve your product why is it so difficult to do business with you.

Specifically:
1) No phone # to reach you.
2) Your dealer does not even have your speakers, would have to order
3) No version of your current model listed on the website.
4) 15 % restock fee if I return the speakers because they are not what I wanted even though your dealers do not stock them.

Here was their response. &nbsp;Came the next day

Hi Dan

I'm sorry to hear that Audio Corner doesn't have a pair of Studio 100 v.3's on display for you to audition. &nbsp;Please keep in mind that, like any manufacturer, we cannot force an independent store to buy and display specific models.

Our office can be reached at 905-632-0180.

The specifications posted on the web site belong to the Studio Series version 3.

Re-stocking charges or any other return policies are strictly under the control of the store.

The next closest store in your area is:

AUDIO CRAFT CO., INC.
25 GHERT RD.
AKRON, OH
44333

I contacted Axiom and was very disappointed by the total lack of knowledge their rep had. &nbsp;I got more information off the website then he knew. &nbsp;Told him what I receiver I had and what I was trying to do. &nbsp;Either he didn't understand or didn't care. &nbsp;

I am running a rx-v2400 (what a great receiver) &nbsp;Awesome. &nbsp;It quickly convinced my that it was ok to save the $400 and let Denon keep their 3805. &nbsp;

The Studio 100's are on their way. &nbsp;Will be appox 2 wks. &nbsp;Will update you when then get here. &nbsp;I am going to get center speaker from Paradigm to match the two front mains. &nbsp;I wanted the Floor speakers to give rich precise snappy sound on 2 channel, and also have the ability to provide excellent theater.</font>

 

[zumbo]

<font color='#000000'>I think you made the right decision.

</font>

 

[Ross]

<font color='#000000'>Did you end up ordering the v.2 or v.3's? &nbsp;You mention a $1900 price tag of the studio's in this thread, but quoted a $1500 one in another thread. &nbsp;How much $$$ are they charging you?

I to would take the paradigms over the axioms.

I just haven't been too impressed with many of the online only speaker company's products. &nbsp;I think that they sometimes get a little too hyped up just because they are cheaper and have better tech support due to their self sponsored online forums. &nbsp;

Don't let a paradigm rep's lack of knowledge get you down, they are great speakers!

best,</font>

 

[dmoss]

<font color='#000000'>Paradigm Studio 100's Black Ash - $1589.00, Speaker wire to go with them &nbsp;$139.00 a pair. &nbsp; There are a couple of cc370 Paradigm Centers on Ebay. &nbsp;Will these be a suitable match for my Studio 100's or do I need to step up to the cc470 or cc570?</font>

 

[Ross]

<font color='#000000'>&quot;Speaker wire to go with them &nbsp;$139.00 a pair&quot;

Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!

Tell me this, is this wire THX certified, oxygen free, and/or named after some notorious serpent?

I'm still wondering, v.2 or v.3?

best,</font>

 

[dmoss]

<font color='#000000'>Vers 3</font>

 

[Guest]

<font color='#000000'>Sweet! &nbsp;You won't be dissapointed.

best,</font>

 

[dmoss]

<font color='#000000'>A little update on the Paradigm Studio 100's. It would seem that you can get the speakers magna shielded or not. &nbsp;I contacted my vendor today and asked whether they were shielded or not. &nbsp;Didn't know, said they would contact distributor and let me know. &nbsp;Soo &nbsp; who knows ? &nbsp; I am looking at the new signatures and they are all shielded. &nbsp;Not sure how much but pretty sure they are more. &nbsp;The funny thing is that the vendor told me that all reference studio's were shielded, &nbsp;just as a follow up I contacted the Tech support for Paradigm and that is how I found out that this not true. &nbsp;Imagine if I have not done this, &nbsp;I would have ruined my Sony Wega. &nbsp;This is a good lesson learned when not buying from a local seller. &nbsp;You really have to do your home work or you might not get what you wanted.</font>

 

[Snowmad]

E-bay man!

Picked up my Paradigm studio 60's V.2 from E-bay for $800.
Best buy I ever made, Coudn't be happier. I liked them so much
I got the Studio CC and ADP470's on E-bay as well.

This speaker line is of high quality and as long as the previous owner took goo d care of them you can save $$$$$$$$.

AudioGon.com always has some as well.

Good luck in your search.

 

[dmoss]

Did you get 450's or 470's. What kind of sub are you running and are you satisfied with it. Haven't seen the 470's or much of a deal on a good sub. Been reading about the SVS subwoofers and someone recommended the SunFire True Sub Goes for around $1200. Got any recommendations. Are you running an amp or just a receiver?

 

[Unregistered]

Subwoofers

DMoss,

Sorry about posting as a guest, but I forgot my new tip top secret log in id. I'd highly recommend you look at the HSU Subwoofer line. My perception, based upon reading a multitude of articles and reviews, seems to indicate that they may be more accurate than the SVS line. I chose the THN 1220 tube sub with separate 500 watt amp. I ordered one sub tube, but can add another. So far, I'm delighted with the performance - very clean, not boomy, very musical. I have it set for low frequency response over boom, but that's switchable. Sonically, it seems to seamlessly integrate with my Paradigm Studio 100 v3s, cc450 and adp470s.... HSU is easy to deal with, and ships quickly. I'd suggest that you go to their website and take a look.

Stiletto Pat

 

[Unregistered]

Subs

I'd like to second the Hsu reccommend. I recently replaced a Paradigm PW 2200 sub with a HSU STF-2 because of size constraints. While less than half the price, there is no difference in sound either in music or movies, even the big slam bang ones ( I just watched Timeline last night, and the castle attach shook the room) over the Paradigm, which was likewise excellent.

 

[trj222]

Sub to go with studio 100s

I recently bought the Paradigm seismic 12. It is a little expensive but it not only rocks my house, it also rocks the neighbors houses. It is very small and can be tucked away anywhere in the room. It is rated at 1200 RMS, 4500 watt peak. The bass is very precise and sounds excellent. Again, it is a little costly. I believe the retail is $1600. I got it from my local dealer for $1400.

 

[dmoss]

Speaker Wires at $139.00 Delivered

The Wires I got to run the Paradigms are one pair 10ft Ultralink Excelsior Speaker Cable. I still am going to need the wire to run the CC570, and recommendations?

 

[Jpeezhauler]

Axiom vs Cabassa

<font color='#000000'>I realize there is a significant price difference between the two speakers, but can any one tell if the sound quality is worth the price difference between the axiom m60ti vs the Paradigm Studio 100. &nbsp;The axiom are around $800 vs the Paradigm which are $1900. &nbsp;No local dealer for the Paradigm around. &nbsp;I am running with a rx-v2400 yamaha.</font>

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I recently ordered the M60ti's from the Axiom web page.
The dealer where I purchased my Paradigm Sonic Frontiers MCA20 Amp and
Paradigm Sonic FrontiersTLP-1 Tuner/preamp introduced me to the Cabassa
Jersey Speakers while I was there.
To make a long story short I sent the Axiom's back after hearing them
compaired to the Cabassa Jersey's. The Cabassa "Jersey's" cost about $100.00 more for the pair than the M60 towers from Axiom but sounded like they should cost twice as much as the Axioms in my opinion.
It cost me $200.00 to send the Axioms back but I thought it was worth it. The Axioms were very good speakers. The Cabassa'as were just better.
We used the same equipment to drive both pair of speakers.
The dealer is a Paradigm dealer but he never brought up the subject
of Paradigm speakers. My impression is that he thought the Cabassa
speakers are the best he has ever heard at the price. So if you haven't
heard a pair of Cabassa speakers you may be glad you checked them out
if you can find a dealed near you. They are mfg. in France and have not
been offered in America very long. My impression was that they have
only been setting up dealers for the last year or so here in America.
You will definately be hearing more about them. They are exceptional.