I think this is getting close with these two.\n\nThis forum isn't particularly about the subjective personal experience thing, though. If you can actually prove something is audible, that's different, but if it's only in your head as it seems to be, not very interesting at all.\n\n<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>\n\nWhat is a fact, is that your ideas and comments are your own. This site is providing information as it is updated. No one is living in a 50 year old vacuum.\nIf 75% believe one way and the rest believe another, that is what it is. It's still NONE of your business who thinks what. There is the fact. No one is\ncalling your comments "if it's only in your head as it seems to be, not very interesting at all." anything but your own. I find wichdoctors comments refreshing.\nI find your repetitive and condescending.\n\nAs for proof, who exactly am I proving it to? Because the next question is, "do I APPROVE of the sound". It still boils down to "Listening" to the finished assembled\nsystem. If I don't like the SQ who cares what it's suppose to sound like or measure. I screwed up. I don't like it.\n\nI keep reading people quote "a more resolving system". The reason is pretty simple. That is what you need to hear differences in cables.\nI'm pretty sure once most people fiddle with a picky valve amp, preamp, phono preamp and sensitive speakers, you WILL pay attention to cabling.\nIf your ears are real bad that sure doesn't help either.\n\nI haven't heard every HT or AV based system BUT none of the cabling ruined the sound from the ones I've listened to. They had great HT and the stereo side\nwas good enough for the parties we were at. They were happy, so was I. I say pay for what you like with HT setups.\n\nThe Room, Speakers and Amps in order of SQ. Quality cables, may be low on the list, but they put the icing on the cake, when it's all said and done.\nRouting cables included.\n\nThere are a few top of the line HT systems that good cable is going to make a difference in the end, between better and best.. Some choose better,\nsome choose "The Best". I'm saying you can have either for close to same price. Why be the Zip Cord King or worse yet call others names because\nthey choose better cables?\n\nThe names I seen in the name of cables. I love the crap talking about "Counterfeit Cables". I've been using cables from China, Russia, and any other\nnew or surplus source including our own US military for 30 plus years. Counterfeit Cables? Like someone actually has a patent on a cable design.\nI'd really doubt it. Who's name is on the cable, I suppose that's an issue. "Son of Odin" then. Copyright? AliExpress is just fine.\n\nThere are 20K cables just like there are 20K DACs, only if YOU pay for them, not me.\n\nI guess I won't mention the old Rolls-Royce or Duesenberg parked in the neighbors barn. They're just another car right? \nJust like all cables are the same.\n\nFrom ONE of these two.\n\nTime to feed my chickens.\n\nLOL you are funny.