Attention and Perception

Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
Watch this short video.

(My brother Dan told me about this. I thought it would be good to post it here. Dan said he would do it, but I got impatient and did before he got around to it. So, just to be fair to Dan, this was his idea.)

[video=youtube_share;vJG698U2Mvo]http://youtu.be/vJG698U2Mvo[/video]
 
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Swerd

Swerd

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But did you also count 15 passes on the same viewing?
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
But did you also count 15 passes on the same viewing?
I didn't want to say too much until people saw the video, but yeah. I passed both criteria - and I thought it was really obvious. I was expecting something else to be asked that I might have missed.

This makes me think that my auto insurance should be lower... :D
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
When this was shown to lots of people, many counted 15 passes, but only 50% saw the unexpected sight. I guess you get a gold star :D.

And that's the connection with audio listening tests I want to make. If you gather people and tell them to listen to the two different _____ (fill in the blank with audio cables, CD players, biwired vs. monowired speakers, etc.) you are already biasing the outcome by telling people what to pay attention to. If people focus on hearing any differences between speaker wires, enough will report hearing differences.

When radiologists were asked to examine a lung CT scan and look for cancer-like lesions, 83% of them missed the gorilla in the upper right.

Why Even Radiologists Can Miss A Gorilla Hiding In Plain Sight : Shots - Health News : NPR

This has been the subject of research by Christopher Chabris & Daniel Simons:

The Invisible Gorilla: And Other Ways Our Intuitions Deceive Us
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
When this was shown to lots of people, many counted 15 passes, but only 50% saw the unexpected sight. I guess you get a gold star :D.
Well, or a "C" if half the folks saw it. :p

Perhaps it's my natural suspicion that keeps me alert. After my first AH GTG and an "impromptu, just-for-fun" Twister match - I don't trust ANYONE. :D
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
I probably shouldn't have led off this thread by saying this:

This is about human attention and perception, and the blind spots created by expectations.
Maybe that alerted you. (it's now fixed)

The best audio listening test comparing two different audio items would be when people are not at all aware of what they're doing. If you want to compare different speakers, you would have to misdirect people into thinking they are testing something else, like music samples or new digital codecs. It's not a sneaky trick, its how people's minds actually work.
 
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Adam

Adam

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Maybe that alerted you.
I'm sure that it did. But, I still would have seen it. I mean, come on. I'm shocked that 100% of people didn't see it.

If you want to compare different speakers, you would have to misdirect people into thinking they are testing something else, like music samples or new digital codecs. It's not a sneaky trick, its how people's minds actually work.
If you ever want to A/B test speakers on me, just start off with something like, "Hey, Adam. I wonder which of these beers you'll like more." :D
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

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Hey, Alex will do just about anything to earn a bit of extra scratch...

I've heard about this experiment before, so I was actually looking for the gorilla and forgot to start counting the passes.:rolleyes: I recently read an article about the radiologist experiment and it was surmised that it's not really that shocking that some were missing the gorilla. They were so intent on finding something "wrong", that other things - no matter how odd they might seem - were just filtered out subconsciously.
 
Adam

Adam

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They were so intent on finding something "wrong", that other things - no matter how odd they might seem - were just filtered out subconsciously.
Yeah, because a miniature gorilla in someone's lungs isn't dangerous... :p
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

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I saw that video a while ago and missed the stuff I was suppose to miss because I'm normal. :D
 
adwilk

adwilk

Audioholic Ninja
The only thing we know for sure about this video is that Rick definitely noticed all the shoes.
 
adwilk

adwilk

Audioholic Ninja
And Doug will probably mention something about all the people wearing white and Labor Day.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
I saw that video a while ago and missed the stuff I was suppose to miss because I'm normal. :D
...he types while hanging out on a mostly-dude forum for audio enthusiasts because he's taking a break from connecting equipment inside of a cabinet that goes through a wall for better ventilation and access.
 
Dan

Dan

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gorilla-7006721e3016faca7f3682d868491bd78c32d844-s4.jpgWell I AM a radiologist and I confess I missed the gorilla on the CT scan. To be fair I was at work and spent about half a second looking at that CT slice. I saw the lung nodule instantly though which made me feel better. The way a CT of the lungs work we look for higher density objects (white) which are cancers, pneumonias and other things. Little that is black is bad since that is air and unless one has a pneumothorax it's not really a problem. A pneumothorax is outside the lung, not inside. Hence I missed the gorilla looking very fast.

What it points out for me is that getting a decent history from the patient or referring doctor is essential. We can miss stuff if the scan is not done the right way to optimize the thing that one is looking for. Most nonradiologists have no idea about the many variables that must be considered to do a CT or MR properly and we can't do the test right unless we know what sort is stuff is suspected based on history, physical examination and bloodwork.

Here is a short list of the variables that go into a typical CT scan of the abdomen: Kilovoltage, milliamperage, slice thickness, table speed, reconstruction algorithms, oral contrast positive (barium) or negaitive (water) or none, IV contrast yes or no, if yes what injection rate, what volume, what scan delay, reconstruction algorithms, cardiac gating, window level, window center, and what multiplanar reformations to do. I guarantee that your doc has heard of only a few of these and wouldn't know what to do.

If you are getting any high end radiology test make sure a good history is provided by your doc or yourself. Don't assume it is in our electronic medical record even if are a regular patient since I have seen examples of patients with duplicate med rec numbers and half their studies are under one # and half under another and we may not compare the scan to the correct study OR MISS THE GORILLA:eek:
 
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Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
I'm not trying to go off-topic, so hopefully this is close enough. This reminded me of this checker shadow illusion.

So, would you believe me if I told you that A and B are the same color/shade?



Well, they are. Click on this link to see for yourself.
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
I saw that video a while ago and missed the stuff I was suppose to miss because I'm normal. :D
Come on, you missed the gorilla because you were watching to see if any of the girls jiggled while they passed the basketball around.
 
Swerd

Swerd

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Well I AM a radiologist and I confess I missed the gorilla on the CT scan.
Quit showing off. You're a radiologist, not a large animal veterinarian!

Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor not a …

 

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