APC power conditioners

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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
I am considering buying a power conditioner type device - not because I have power problems, I don't as far as I know - but moreso because it will be vary convenient to route all power cables to one device in the rack instead of having a big mess behind the entertainment center. Still, $300ish is the max I'd consider paying and the APC fits that criteria.

It was either Jaxvon or Jcpanny that has mentioned a few times that they have the APC H10 and are happy with it. I read the manual for it and it does sound good. If anyone would care to offer a mini 'review' of it, I'd be interested - what do you like, dislike, features that you find beneficial and those that you find worthless. Any other brand is fair game too but so far I like the APC and Panamax or even Belkin PureAV if it is available in black.

The APC has automatic voltage regulation and you can set the range within which it will regulate. It does seem like it is the same as any other AVR device - it doesn't constantly adjust the voltage, it will only kick in and adjust it if it falls outside of the acceptable range you've set (not that that is a problem).

The other thing I wonder about is how all of these power conditioners label the outlets and suggest you plug your devices into outlets that match them; ie plug the receiver into the outlet labeled for a receiver. The APC has 'digital' filter banks with one labeled 'Monitor' and 'video' filter banks with one labeled 'TV'. Now a TV IS a Monitor so what the heck is the difference and why would you choose one over the other? Same for 'high current' outlets - a high-end receiver is certainly high current so why would you plug it into the outlet labeled 'receiver' instead of the high-current outlet labeled 'amplifier'?
 
avaserfi

avaserfi

Audioholic Ninja
I have the Belkin PF60 and am very happy with it. I don't know how qualified I am to review it but a few things:

-I noticed no pic/audio difference (suprise ;))
-The banks aren't entirely that wierd. (see link with pic below)
-I like being able to monitor total power consumption and also you can monitor consumption per banks
-The switching as well as time delays are rather nice
-Great value I paid 190 shipped
-Most reviews mention the fact that you can't turn off the backlit screen, I have it on the lowest setting and its barely noticable.

While I did not get a black model :( I have seen them on sale for in your price range.


Link is a review and has pics of front and back.

http://www.laaudiofile.com/belkinpf60.html
 
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Ryan8886

Audioholic
MDS,
Like the above, I don't think I'm qualified to "review" it, but I'm more than happy to share what I know about it.
I researched the APC H10 and the Belkin PF60 before opting for the H10. Both are solid units and take around 5000 joules worth of spikes before wearing out. Look at the prices for some of the Monster stuff that don't carry nearly the surge ratings of APC or Belkin and you'll see the value in these units.
I spoke with some friends from the IT world and showed them the specs on both units. They advised me strongly to go with APC over Belkin. Both are solid, but in IT, APC is considered top tier. Their only gripe was that neither unit (nor any that I could find for HT use) listed their clamping speed (i.e. how fast the unit shuts down a spike), however they said the "pass through" that was listed (assuming that's the maximum amount of energy let through before clamping) seemed adequate for HT use.
Between the two, the choice really comes to style v.s. function. The Belkin is definately the "cooler" looking of the two when sitting in your rack. The voltage display is cool looking and, I imagine, fun to watch, however it's strictly asthetic and serves no real purpose other than to impress your friends who have no idea that, stripped to the bone, these units are nothing more than glorified powerstrips.
The APC H10 forgoes the fancy digital display in favor of LED's (which can be dimmed to various levels or turned off altogether if you prefer) and, in exchange, gives you the added functional bonus of voltage regulation for about the same cost. Depending on your power supply in the area you live and how much gear you have, it's a plus or useless. I have seen my unit indicate added power upon starting up all my gear now and again. Don't really know if it makes a difference or not.
Now to the snake-oil end of things. ;)
I've not seen, nor did I expect, any improvement to sound or picture quality. I have all my equipment plugged into the listed slots, including coax lines and phone line to the sat box. Supposedly there's different types of filtering for the different pieces of equipment :confused: :rolleyes: My guess is you could plug your vacume cleaner in there if you want and it wouldn't make a difference! :p But hey, marketing IS marketing.
As far as protection, I don't beleive anything would stand up to a direct or near-by lightening strike. The best advise is always to unplug, if you can, during a storm. However, for the day-to day random spikes that come through, it can be very useful. There is road rebuilding accuring in front of my house right now that required moving power lines around. I came home one day and there were no signs of having been an outtage (microwafe, stove clocks all still telling correct time), however when I went down to turn on the TV, nothing happened. Then I looked and noticed the APC was off (I leave it on all the time). I hit the reset button and everything fired up without a hitch. So, I'm left to assume it MAY have saved about 5 grand worth of equipment from a nasty spike. No way to know for sure.
Lastly, the cord management is NICE! It's much cleaner running only one power cord to the wall and all the other cords staying within the entertainment center.
Hope that helped!
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
Thanks for the information, it helps a lot.

I'm familiar with APC because I have a few UPSes. I thought it was interesting that the H10/H15 allows you to set the range for voltage regulation the same way the UPS does.

All of the conditioners have specific labels for each type of device and supposedly the filtering is optimized for that type of device so they recommend that you connect as suggested. The problem I have with it is the overlap - like 'Monitor' is a digital device but 'TV' is a video device. As far as I'm concerned they are both digital and video. I'm sure the difference wouldn't be noticeable if you plugged into Monitor instead of TV but I have to wonder why they would separate out two seemingly identical devices. I'd also bet that everything would work just fine if you plugged the receiver into the outlet labeled TV.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
I have also wondered why they have labels for which components to plug into which outlets. One thing about "TV" versus "Monitor", not all TVs are digital. Mine isn't. Yeah, I need to move into this century...

I have the Belkin PF31D, which is the PF31 with a digital display like the PF40 and PF60. It's a nice unit, but probably not much different than any other decent power console. As others have said, I didn't notice any difference in audio/video performance (nor did I expect it). The display is not noticeable when the backlighting is turned all of the way down unless (like I do) you have the unit in the same room that you sleep...then it's just like a bright indiglo nightlight. I'm not a fan, but I've gotten used to it. For my unit, even though it claims to isolate the supplies, I'm not sure that it does it all that well. I briefly plugged in a fan into the front panel outlet, but when I turned it on or off, my subwoofer would pop. Other than that, I haven't had any issues, but I haven't had any power spikes. At under $140 on Amazon, I think that it's fine. I bought it mostly (like you) because I wanted a rack unit, and it has 11 outlets and looks nice. FYI, if you're like me, watching the amp and voltage readouts will be fun for about fourteen seconds.

One thing to mention about these units in general, that I never thought about, is that plugging things into the unit initially isn't necessarily as easy as it is to do with a power strip. Remember, these are rack units with the outlets on the back, so you might need to plug everything in before you slide the unit into your rack (or entertainment center), and that can be a bit of a hassle. Also something to consider if you add/replace equipment. Overall, though, I'm glad that I got one. Have fun shopping.
 
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