Anybody Know About Cameras?

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herbu

Audioholic Samurai
My wife wants a new camera, mostly for pictures of birds and wildlife around the house. Neither of us know anything about F-stop, shutter speed, exposure, etc... and don't really have a desire to learn.

Here's what she wants:
> Autofocus
> Excellent optical zoom, (~10x or better)
> Macro function for closeups
> Fast picture taking button. (When you push the button, take the stupid picture now, not a second or two later.)

Finally, not required but nice, would be the anti-shake feature we see advertised on some phone cameras. So if you move or shake a little, the picture is not blurred. Don't even know if that's a thing on cameras.

I suppose things like flash and ease of downloading to a computer are pretty standard. It seems camera stuff is kinda like audio stuff. Lots of online places to buy, but few local B&M stores for trustworthy advice. She read somewhere that you have to move up from a Point-and-Click to a "Bridge" camera for the excellent optical zoom. But again, we don't know what that means, and don't really care what the camera is called.

Price is not really an issue, within reason. We're willing to go Phil3s, but not Soundscape 12s.
The Canon PowerShot G3 X looks like a contender.

Any suggestions would really be appreciated. Thanks.
 
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highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
My wife wants a new camera, mostly for pictures of birds and wildlife around the house. Neither of us know anything about F-stop, shutter speed, exposure, etc... and don't really have a desire to learn.

Here's what she wants:
> Autofocus
> Excellent optical zoom, (~10x or better)
> Macro function for closeups
> Fast picture taking button. (When you push the button, take the stupid picture now, not a second or two later.)

Finally, not required but nice, would be the anti-shake feature we see advertised on some phone cameras. So if you move or shake a little, the picture is not blurred. Don't even know if that's a thing on cameras.

I suppose things like flash and ease of downloading to a computer are pretty standard. It seems camera stuff is kinda like audio stuff. Lots of online places to buy, but few local B&M stores for trustworthy advice. She read somewhere that you have to move up from a Point-and-Click to a "Bridge" camera for the excellent optical zoom. But again, we don't know what that means, and don't really care what the camera is called.

Price is not really an issue, within reason. We're willing to go Phil3s, but not Soundscape 12s.

Any suggestions would really be appreciated. Thanks.
Anyone who wants to be somewhat serious about photography needs to understand a bit about F-stops, shutter speed, exposure, light and how they affect the image. Fortunately, it's not necessarily rocket surgery.

My dad had a subscrition to Outdoor Photogragher magazine and when I would go to my folks' house, I would always read it and if he was done with them, I could take them with me. I eventually got a subscription and would read the articles to see how they were getting the shots. One of the most frequent comments about how to "get the shot"- you have to be in the right place, at the right time and that's often a matter of luck. Galen Rowell, who was a very successful photographer had a saying- f8 and be there, meaning that just being there is half of the equation and if you don't have time to calculate the exposure values, use f8 and auto exposure, if you have it. If not, use the speed of the film for the shutter speed and you'll be close enough that it can be tweaked during processing. Digital cameras are different- there's no processing, but it can be fixed in the editing software, later.
There's also something called the "Sunny 16 Rule", which means use f16 and the film speed and there's almost no way the exposure will be wrong. It's an over-simplification, but it works- one of the best photos I have ever taken happened so fast I had no time to think and that's how I had set the camera.

There are as many books on photograhy as there are things to photograph, but I would start by looking at two magazines- Outdoor Photographer and Digital Photo, both from the same publisher. The last one is what it seems- all about the digital version.

The feature that removes slight movement is called 'Image Stabilization' and it has been offered since the '90s. Canon was one of the first to offer it.

You nailed it- photography has some of the same "Oh, why did you buy that one?" that we see here, but I would recommend going to a place that sells a wide variety and just look at the cameras- if it seems that it just has too many buttons and settings, move to something that's more simple and wait until you're more comfortable with the technical aspects. The Canon Rebel series is very popular and their lenses are excellent. You can get into something nice in the $500-$700 range without feeling like it's a POS.

The great thing about photography is that the equipment isn't the biggest factor in how well the photo turns out, other than optics but even then, great optics without good exposure and good composition won't make anyone think it's a great photo- some of the best photos were shot with equipment that wasn't technically top of the line.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Lynda.com has some excellent online photography video courses, which are both easy to understand and fun to learn.
I recommend to start taking photos with smartphone (most iphones cameras are pretty good) and learn how to take good photos before investing lots of money in the equipment.
 
KenM10759

KenM10759

Audioholic Samurai
True. It's been said that the sharpest lens is a good tripod.

Look, a *lot* of people just don't want to be bothered learning and don't want to carry around a lot of equipment yet want good photos. It is very possible to get them with ANY camera. The difference between them is the knowledge level of the equipment and knowing under what conditions success is likely or not.

Just as you can't get 18hz out of a 4" driver, you won't get complete confidence and control in a low level point & shoot. That said, with the technology added to today's cameras (look what people get with an iPhone) you can get some VERY amazing photos with minimal equipment and good technique.

Look at websites dpreview and Ken Rockwell and do some reading. Both show some good info on what cameras are good for a given application.

I've stored my Nikon DSLR and various lenses for a few years now and take most photos with my Motorola Android phone or Canon SD880iS Digtal Elph. It's just more convenient and faster. When I feel like having more control to get a specific photo, I drag out "the good one." Like the other day I saw an opportunity to finally get a decent photo of my wife's "baby", the Turkish Van cat Casper. There would be no way to control the severe backlight and balance fill flash using a phone or the P&S camera. Sometimes you just need a better camera and more control. BTW, stopped short of a tripod. He'd never wait for that.
 
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herbu

Audioholic Samurai
Like the other day I saw an opportunity to finally get a decent photo of my wife's "baby", the Turkish Van cat Casper.
That's exactly how my wife uses her camera. "Oooh, look at that bird on the feeder", or "Oooh, look at the cat", or "Oooh, look at the wild turkeys in the yard". Plus the occasional family pictures.

She rarely sets up a picture. Maybe a flower or tree once in a while. Mostly it is spur of the moment, grab-and-click. Thus her desire for a fast auto-focus, fast zoom and image stabilization. No time for tripods or various manual settings. It was my idea to get a camera with additional function, (like the PowerShot G3 X), just in case she decides to delve a little deeper into the art.

This question/thread has been enlightening to me. The shoe is on the other foot. In so many threads, somebody asks for simple recommendations of a system with "this or that". My inclination sometimes is to explain why "this or that" may or may not be a good choice. In the future, in addition to an explanation, I'll try to provide the recommendations they asked for. Just in case it's really what they want. :)

Anyway, thanks for the links and sources. (The Nikon CoolPix might be right down our alley.) A quick look at them all tells me this whole photography thing can be a huge rabbit hole. Maybe even worse than audio. :eek:
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
A quick look at them all tells me this whole photography thing can be a huge rabbit hole. Maybe even worse than audio. :eek:
Exactly, That's why I said - start with that you have already or do upgrade the smartphone to something with great mobile camera. You can find them nicely scored here:
http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Column-right/Mobile-Scores
Bear in mind that score it combined for photo and video and a prime example is my LG G4 which scores higher on photo and a bit lower on video. Since I use later once in a blue moon it's only first score is which I care about.
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
If you are looking for a lot of zoom range without moving up to the prosumer cameras then the superzoom category is where you want to look. This article has some good info in it and honestly your wife would be happy with any of their top picks.

http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-superzoom-camera/

I have a Sony NEX-5t that I bought sort of on a whim after reading how great it was for the price. It is a great camera. I don't know how to use it all that well but I have gotten some really nice photos with it.







I have had fun using the camera, when I actually have it... That's the problem I have. The vast majority of photos I take are with my iPhone 6. The iPhone camera is the most consistent and easy to use camera out there. There are reviews that say some phones may surpass it in image quality in some areas but the fact is that no other device so far is as foolproof and consistent. I owned a lot of different flagship Android phones before I got an iPhone and there is no comparison.

The fact that I can get beautiful shots like this from my phone means I don't carry my real camera all that much:



The biggest disadvantage to any phone camera is the lack of an optical zoom. Digital zoom simply does not cut it.
 
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herbu

Audioholic Samurai
Thanks for all the links and suggestions. Look like some good resources. We went to BB yesterday, "just to look". Our local store is advertised as having a hotrod camera dept, with bigger selections and more highly trained staff. We did find one salesman who seemed semi knowledgeable. After about 3 hours, the Mrs walked out with a Nikon COOLPIX P900. She also got a monopod. (I tried to talk her into a 3-way, but she wouldn't go for it.) Now the learning begins. Thanks again for all the help!!!
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
Best Buy gets knocked a lot but there are stores that are well run and well managed with knowledgable employees. The one I worked in (at a Magnolia Design Center) was full of great employees that know their stuff. That is kind of a flagship store and had all of the specialty areas including cameras with dedicated employees for each brand. That store also has a Pacific Sales inside for high end appliances. If all Best Buy stores were run like that one I think their reputation would be much more favorable.

That P900 looks like a nice camera and that zoom range is insane. Have fun with it!
 
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