Another Bose fan bites the dust...

lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Thankyou for the KEF recommendations. Their speakers are really very good looking and classy.

My current room size is 12 x 14. But may change my aprtment within the next 1 year.

Thank you.
Amer
You don't need towers for a room that small.

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-TRUTH-B2030P-Monitor-Single?sku=485795&src=3WFRWXX&ZYXSEM=0&CAWELAID=500762578

Get 5 of those and two of these http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-635

Put one sub at the front of the room mid-wall and one at the back of the room midwall.

For stands you can use Sanus 24" basic foundation or bar stools or something else standish.

use www.monoprice.com for all your cables.

For a receiver just get the Onkyo 700 series from Accessories4less.

This is a small room so those speakers will be fantastic and give you a great savings. You can always use them for a stereo setup or surrounds later on when you get a house with a bigger theater area.
 
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3db

Audioholic Slumlord
You don't need towers for a room that small.

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-TRUTH-B2030P-Monitor-Single?sku=485795&src=3WFRWXX&ZYXSEM=0&CAWELAID=500762578

Get 5 of those and two of these http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-635

Put one sub at the front of the room mid-wall and one at the back of the room midwall.

For stands you can use Sanus 24" basic foundation or bar stools or something else standish.

use www.monoprice.com for all your cables.

For a receiver just get the Onkyo 700 series from Accessories4less.

This is a small room so those speakers will be fantastic and give you a great savings. You can always use them for a stereo setup or surrounds later on when you get a house with a bigger theater area.
Nothing wrong with having towers in a 12x14 room. You wouldn't be able to crank the towers nor the speakers that Isiberian suggested in your room. The advantages of towers over bookshelves is that their ability to play louder and to sustain this loudness without breakup once you get into a bigger room.

My system plays double duty; HT and two channel music. I run my PSB T45s (towers) full range for music and like their tight well integrated sound. For HT, I set them to small and let the sub do the work. It comes down to personal preference and teh sound you are going for.
 
caper26

caper26

Full Audioholic
Energy RC line is being discontinued so maybe check out some of that line at wwstereo, audioadvisor, vanns, etc.
 
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seymoria

Enthusiast
Hi.

For a couple of days I was not willing to give up the idea of towers; they look maginificent and awesome. And I would be using them if I shifted to a larger room. And I just coudnt let go of the VR3 deal suggested in this thread (810 with matched center). I like BA a lot but dont have the money to buy their latest speakers, they are extremely expensive (~ 1600 per piece). So are Definitive Tech (Mythos and others). All the rest are cheaper like Infinity, Aperion, Klipsch, Paradigm, Axiom, Ascend (mini-tower only), PSB, SVS. No one sugegsted a comparison between these brands for a decision. Thus I settled for the V3.

However, I found the following review on V3 after which I becaame skeptical.

Summary:
Great sound, excellent bass and clear highs. great sounstage. Excelled with Billy Cobham "Spectrum". Don't NEED a subwoofer but fine with one. Flaw was I wanted a warmer midrange. Too neutral there. Auditioned these in my living room. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO JUDGE A SPEAKER! I have a VERY BRIGHT soundroom. In my previous dwelling (quite warm) these would have been perfect. Since my walls are 1/8 fake wood, too bright. Great bargain for the money! I was looking for $1000-$1500 a pair speakers.
Strengths:
Exellent soundstage and detail. Plenty of bass.(real not 60-100hz)
Weaknesses:
It all depends on your room. I had $5000 of various speakers I tried out (these were my second choice). I went for a very warm speaker because of my bright room. In my previous warm room I would have bought these. Looking for a $1000-1800 speakers
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Do you have any idea what does the user mean by warm music? I like warm things in life, like a warm light, warm water, warm surroundings, warm food, and most others; sort of a lazy, indulgent kind here. So something clicks that I woudl better go for warm music also.

Someone suggested that since my budget was now for towers only, I should go for better ones than my initial plan about Infinity Primus or Classia. But I never received any suggestions for the better brands or models. Still waiting if someone would suggest.
Thanks all.

Amer
 
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3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Hi.

For a couple of days I was not willing to give up the idea of towers; they look maginificent and awesome. And I would be using them if I shifted to a larger room. And I just coudnt let go of the VR3 deal suggested in this thread (810 with matched center). I like BA a lot but dont have the money to buy their latest speakers, they are extremely expensive (~ 1600 per piece). So are Definitive Tech (Mythos and others). All the rest are cheaper like Infinity, Aperion, Klipsch, Paradigm, Axiom, Ascend (mini-tower only), PSB, SVS. No one sugegsted a comparison between these brands for a decision. Thus I settled for the V3.

However, I found the following review on V3 after which I becaame skeptical.

Summary:
Great sound, excellent bass and clear highs. great sounstage. Excelled with Billy Cobham "Spectrum". Don't NEED a subwoofer but fine with one. Flaw was I wanted a warmer midrange. Too neutral there. Auditioned these in my living room. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO JUDGE A SPEAKER! I have a VERY BRIGHT soundroom. In my previous dwelling (quite warm) these would have been perfect. Since my walls are 1/8 fake wood, too bright. Great bargain for the money! I was looking for $1000-$1500 a pair speakers.
Strengths:
Exellent soundstage and detail. Plenty of bass.(real not 60-100hz)
Weaknesses:
It all depends on your room. I had $5000 of various speakers I tried out (these were my second choice). I went for a very warm speaker because of my bright room. In my previous warm room I would have bought these. Looking for a $1000-1800 speakers
.


Do you have any idea what does the user mean by warm music? I like warm things in life, like a warm light, warm water, warm surroundings, warm food, and most others; sort of a lazy, indulgent kind here. So something clicks that I woudl better go for warm music also.

Someone suggested that since my budget was now for towers only, I should go for better ones than my initial plan about Infinity Primus or Classia. But I never received any suggestions for the better brands or models. Still waiting if someone would suggest.
Thanks all.

Amer
The danger of judging loudspeakers based on someone else's reviews is that your hearing and the reviewers hearing are totally different. Its a personal call that only you can make. You truly need to sit and listen and hear for yourself if you can. I like PSB because they sound warm to me. They don't throw the sound in your face. Its more like they invite you to listen carefully which I like. Its less fatiquing. However, what I hear in them and what others might hear from the same speaker could be totally the opposite. Like I eluded too earlier, visit the web pages of some of the suggested speakers in this thread, visit their web site and see if there are nay dealers close by that you can visit and audition.
 
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GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Do you have any idea what does the user mean by warm music? I like warm things in life, like a warm light, warm water, warm surroundings, warm food, and most others; sort of a lazy, indulgent kind here. So something clicks that I woudl better go for warm music also.Amer
AFAIK "warm" is a coloration that generally suggests some sort of mid-bass or lower midrange bump which de-emphasizes more higher frequencies.

The difference between all of those things you listed and a speaker, is their function. Warm food is meant to be warm, but you wouldn't leave ice cream lying around in the sun, would you? You don't want the polar ice caps to melt, do you? Likewise, in the case of a speaker, its job is to reproduce a studio performance. If it's an energetic song, you don't want your speaker to take its energy away. Likewise, if it's a calming, soothing song, it has natural warmth already. You don't want to make it more calming, for fear of falling asleep to good music. You want to hear a speaker as it was made - think of it as a pair of glasses. You wouldn't walk around with a pair of sunglasses on indoors, would you? Sure sunglasses have their purpose, but wheras we can't control how bright the sun is, we can certainly control our tastes in music.

Your goal for a speaker should be tonal neutrality and relatively flat frequency response in a well treated listening room. Said speakers may in fact be considered "bright" in some rooms simply because of how higher frequencies in the 5-8khz range interact with hard surfaces and effectively increase their intensity. Only in rooms like this would a "warm" speaker have much value IMO, but even then, It'd be a much wiser decision to go with the accurate speaker, and make the inaccurate room more accurate, than go with an inaccurate room and an innacurate speaker and expect to be able to balance the two into a "0". It's not -1 and +1 here, it's probably more like -3 and +5 you're trying to balance. Also, a well-treated room might be a bit deader in real life, but if the speaker has an accurate tweeter and accurate subwoofers and you're fairly on-axis, you'll hear it as it's meant to be heard, since things like room reflections etc should already be in any recording. If you like warm music, then listen to warm music, not bright music through a warm speaker. Imagine EQing some heavy metal in order to make it relaxing... kind of defeating the purpose no?

In fact, returning to the very first post in this thread, you mentioned how you discovered bose speakers actually ain't so great. You can think of Bose speakers as being cathedral stained glass (or a circus mirror). Sure it might impress someone... but you don't want to look through it, do you(or use it to check your reflection in the morning)?

Even with many general, good-sounding speaker brands, they may emphasize some frequenciesz You can think of a warm speaker as being tinted glass... the warmer, the more tinted. You might miss out on some things because it's only going to show you what it wants to show you.

You can think of a bright speaker as being a really reflective piece of glass in front of you.

All you want to see is what's on the other side of that piece of glass, not a reflecion on the glass or "only some parts" of what's behind it. It might mean you'll see something behind the glass that's not exciting, but that's not the glass's fault, is it?

The truth is, speakers IMO are a tool. The music is what we want to listen to, and if the tool gives us the music in its least altered form, hey, it's a great tool.
 
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3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
AFAIK "warm" is a coloration that generally suggests some sort of mid-bass or lower midrange bump which de-emphasizes more higher frequencies.
Or it means less treble push causing a de-emphasis on the highs and letting the rest of teh speaker come through aka Klipsch or the older Axioms. ;)
 
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bmurphy2121

Audioholic
It's really what u are looking for. I've had several did brands in my time. I started out with Infinity speakers and they sounded good but I got the itch to have something small like the Bose so I went with Mirage and they sounded good buy lacked the mids do to there size, the I got a pair of super towers from Boston and they sounds great but I eventually wanted louder and more divide sound so I turned to DefTech because of there bipolar super towers and matched every tweeter and woofer and I love them IMO I think these are great speakers and would take a listen to them. The main thing here is what are u looking for? Surround speakers? Or stero speakers? If u want a great open sound stage for movies I would say the DefTech bipolar super towers with an external sub. But if u want a more in ur face music/movie the the Klispch are great so it really what ur looking for and budget. Like everyone said here u can find any review that promotes or disses the speakers u like. All in all it what u really like when u listen to them that matters so auddition several types and narrow them down that way. DefTech, Klipch, Infinity,and Energy all can be found at Best Buy Magnolia stores check them out. Listen to them in two channel and in surround and see for urself which is the best fit budget/sound to u. Oh and also take along a great movie like Avatar for a surround experience and a great over all CD for two channel stereo listing. Hope this helps out a little. I know speaker hunting can be hard do to so many did brands out there but u went to the right place so start asking question to help narrow down ur search.
 
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seymoria

Enthusiast
Have you looked at RC-50's yet? Regular approx $800 US each, on for $300 ea.
Hi.
These speakers really look great. I read reviews and found them full of good words. When considering towers, these must be my priority. Its surprising that they are going so cheap.

Thanks a lot for the link.

Regards,
Amer
 
caper26

caper26

Full Audioholic
You are most welcome. The RC line is discontinued, explaining the good prices. RC-70s were on sale for $700 each in Canada a few weeks back...a steal. If I had the cash, I would be buying those 50's, but I just upgraded this year, and the warden wants one of the boys rooms renovated now :) Good luck; anyone who owns RC speakers has nothing bad to say about them.
 
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seymoria

Enthusiast
The RC-50s you mentioned are a good bargain but I am wondering if $700 per speaker (for the RC-70s) would be likewise, especially for an older, discontinued series? What would have been the price of a pair of these new speakers in their heyday?
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
The danger of judging loudspeakers based on someone else's reviews is that your hearing and the reviewers hearing are totally different. Its a personal call that only you can make. You truly need to sit and listen and hear for yourself if you can. I like PSB because they sound warm to me. They don't throw the sound in your face. Its more like they invite you to listen carefully which I like. Its less fatiquing. However, what I hear in them and what others might hear from the same speaker could be totally the opposite. Like I eluded too earlier, visit the web pages of some of the suggested speakers in this thread, visit their web site and see if there are nay dealers close by that you can visit and audition.
The Boston is more neutral and The PSB is a little on the warm
side. I have owned both brands. No speaker gets a perfect review
every time. Be open minded, and look and audition.
 
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3db

Audioholic Slumlord
The Boston is more neutral and The PSB is a little on the warm
side. I have owned both brands. No speaker gets a perfect review
every time. Be open minded, and look and audition.
:eek: What....no perfect review for a speaker?? :D

thats your perception.. not mine.... :) the beauty of speaker purchases is subjectivity that comes with it.
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
:eek: What....no perfect review for a speaker?? :D

thats your perception.. not mine.... :) the beauty of speaker purchases is subjectivity that comes with it.
Subjectivity is a big word. I hope he will audition before purchase, or buy with a good
return policy.
 
caper26

caper26

Full Audioholic
The RC-50s you mentioned are a good bargain but I am wondering if $700 per speaker (for the RC-70s) would be likewise, especially for an older, discontinued series? What would have been the price of a pair of these new speakers in their heyday?
I think the 70's were $14-1500 each. The 50's around $800 ea.
 
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seymoria

Enthusiast
What are your views on this Music System?

Hi all.

Just wanted your views on this speaker system. It up at bargain price.

Infinity Classia C336 Speaker System Package (7.1)
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C336 Towers (02 Nos.)

http://www.infinitysystems.com/home/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=C336BK&cat=BFS&ser=CLA&Language=ENG&Region=USA&Country=US

PSW310 Subwoofer (01 No.)

http://www.infinitysystems.com/home/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=PSW310WBK&cat=SUB&ser=CLA&Language=ENG&Region=USA&Country=US

CC225 Center (01 Nos.)

http://www.infinitysystems.com/home/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=CC225BK&cat=BOK&ser=CLA&Language=ENG&Region=USA&Country=US

C255ES Bookshelf Dipole Surrounds (04 Nos.)

http://www.infinitysystems.com/home/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=C255ESBK&cat=BFS&ser=CLA&Language=ENG&Region=USA&Country=US

Review at Home Theater Magazine here :

http://www.hometheatermag.com/floorloudspeakers/infinity_classia_c336_speaker_system/index.html

Actual Cost : $ 5500.
Costing me : $ 1980

Kindly share any experience or views about this system.
Thanks a lot.

Amer
 

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BWG707

Audioholic
Attention Bose bashers, Bose has just came out witha HDTV complete with sound system, auto calibration, and much more. I know all the Bose haters will have plenty material to sink their teeth into with this new product. I know the criticism will be off the charts even though nobody has even tested the new system yet. That's the one thing that I don't understand about Bose haters, they will bash Bose relentlessly without ever have even listened to or owned any Bose products. I guess it's all about jumping on the bandwagon. Bose are what they are. A somewhat overpriced self-contained, easy to set up, comtemporary, stylish, no-brainer, entertainment system.
 
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riker1384

Junior Audioholic
Attention Bose bashers, Bose has just came out witha HDTV complete with sound system, auto calibration, and much more. I know all the Bose haters will have plenty material to sink their teeth into with this new product. I know the criticism will be off the charts even though nobody has even tested the new system yet. That's the one thing that I don't understand about Bose haters, they will bash Bose relentlessly without ever have even listened to or owned any Bose products. I guess it's all about jumping on the bandwagon. Bose are what they are. A somewhat overpriced self-contained, easy to set up, comtemporary, stylish, no-brainer, entertainment system.
For the price of that thing ($5400), you could buy a good quality, bigger TV, a good sound system, pay someone hundreds of dollars to set it up, and go on a small vacation while they do it.

I've bought a couple Bose products on Craigslist to try out and then flip, to see what the hype is about. The Sounddock isn't too bad. It's a little warm, and the upper bass can be a bit much, but it's good for its (tiny) size and I could see keeping one if you want to have something you can pick up and move around. Of course, a $100 receiver and $200 speakers will sound much better.

The Companion 2 computer speakers are junk. They have cheaper drivers, and they try too hard with treble and bass boost that they can't really handle. There's some sort of phase crap they do to widen the image. It sounds like the speakers are out of phase, and there's a midrange suckout of some sort.
 
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