Am I going to lose out if I buy THE RBH SE instead of the SE/R

[HTHOLIC]

Audioholics RBH recommendation confusions, are multiple tweeters/woofere needed?

Dear Audioholics readers,

I am very confused about RBH speakers so if anyway has them, you can advise me as to what I need and recommendations and advice.

First I know RBH had the lse series and has the reference signature series. But am I really losing out if I can only afford or obtain the regular 1266 se?

My plan is this:

(2) 1266 se, (1) 661 se, (4) 66-se (2) 61-se (for presence speakers if I use it with a yamaha or whatever). I am confused as to which ones to use with which, the 66 se dipoles as surround sides or the 61 se with the surround backs.

I don't know if DIPLOES are Better than regular speakers for surround.

Anyways, here's a tough question that I really ponder to ask. The RBH 1266 IS Rbh's top floorstanding speaker that is full range. Although RBH has the T series, they are usually units moduled together.

Here's the issue and it has to do with Multiple drivers, what is the purpose of multiple drivers such as multiple tweeters. Does it create a wider soundfield or not?

My dillema is that I really want to use the RBH 1266 outdoors in my backyard occasionally for parties or sound lol. BUT IT ONLY HAS ONE TWEETER, AND does that make a difference

Well the RBH in wall speaker is interesting . WHY? . RBH claims that it has the performance of its own T-1 Unit but its only $1500http://www.rbhsound.com/si6100.shtml
FOR in wall usage. Audioholics recommends it, however, it doesn't have a bass response down to 30hz that is near flat.

It however has 4 woofers and three tweeters, so is it better than then the 1266se for outdoor use?. RBH seems to be making different speakers for different purposes rather than making a line better than one. Its flagship t-30 is probably just the signature lse floorstanding with the woofer of the 1212 se subwoofer or a variant thereof.

In audioholics recommended systems they recommend two 10 inch regular rbh subwoofers even though better subwoofers exists even from RBH. The 1266 has only ONE TWEETER compared to axioms two tweeters on its m80 and onix's two seperate tweeters that play different frequenciesOkay, so who's losing on one tweeter, I know some tweeters are more powerful and louder than others, but then why do some RBH's need more than one for similar priced in wall units. What's the loss/gain. This is all confusing, I hope the audioholics staff can chime in and explain what is best for what. I don't why 1010 10 inch dual RBH speakers would be recommend for their high price and why not the 1212 or maybe svs,hsu,axiom,velodyne,etc.

 

[gene]

Wow so much confusion, so little time

The main difference between the SE vs SE/R is the latter employes driver upgrades borrowed from their Status Acoustics line. Check out my SE/R review about that at:

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/bookshelf/rbh-sound-signature-se-r

These speakers are too nice to put outside. I suggest getting some horn loaded DJ speakers for that function.


The 1266 SE's are a great speaker. The SE/R upgrade simply makes them better, more detailed and open, but both are great.

The T system is a different animal. You need enough space in your room to get at least 8-10ft away from them so the sound converges. They are also hard to move around and are considerably more expensive than the 1266's. That said, the T2p and T30 systems will play much louder than pretty much any conventional 3 way system on the market, and have an immensive soundstage, but more care in setup and placement is needed for them than the 1266s. Check out my T2p review where I discuss the sonic differences in Detail at:

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/floorstanding/rbh-sound-t-2

The 1266-SE/R has one of the best tweets out there which is a very similar design used on the T-30LSE. This tweeter handles oodles of power, plays ultra low to seamlessly blend with the mids for much clearer midrange.

If you can afford to step up to the 1266 SE/R's, you wont be disappointed.

 

[HTHOLIC]

I still would love to put the 1266 outside,

Now for two questions:

Do multiple tweeters matter in terms of output (ie 2 tweeter m80 axiom v. 1 tweeter rbg 1266), or does that design of the tweeter affect it more?

I notice the RBH in walls have multi- tweeters and woofers. In regards to a sub one can use the 1212se, although I have a preference for SVS.

The second one"

: Dipoles v. regular? for surround back and side which one is better for dipolies?, Do you need dipoles and what are the disadvantges compared to regular ones (ie, 61-se/r v. 66 se/r)?

That's a solution gene can solve. Why not use dipoles in the front?

I havent given much though to horn DJ speakers, I am hoping with RBH outside I can get some cd-quality music, thats atleast mp3 320kbps or 192 at a minimum.
Lossy a bit but nowhere like 128kbps.

I wish CD sales would be more popular and cheaper, not a lot of dumbing down of audio or atleast lossless flac or losseless as possible like mp3 320kbps.

Okay- but DTS is compressed also, dolby is worse which is why gene mentioned in his RBH review of the t30 of how you can hear the compression artifcats. Still decent lossy formats should take advantage of the RBH.

 

[jcPanny]

Line array speakers

HT,
If you are interested in the line array type speakers with multiple woofers and tweeters, check out the Upcomming LS-6 and LS-9 from AV123. The LS-6's will have 9 woofers and 6 planar tweets on each speaker for $3k/pair. These type of speakers are huge and heavy so I would not plan on moving them outside for an occasional party.

 

[gene]

Do multiple tweeters matter in terms of output (ie 2 tweeter m80 axiom v. 1 tweeter rbg 1266), or does that design of the tweeter affect it more?

More drivers aren't always better and IMO multiple tweeters make the most sense when used in a line array type of product like the T2 or T30 system. The Scan Speak tweet used in the 1266-SE/R has ultra high power handling and you will likely never get it to go into thermal compression.

Again, a nice system like this is best left indoors. I suggest getting a pair of outdoor speakers to use outdoors. They will be playing into free space anyways so fidelity is NOT as much of a concern as sound reinforcement is. Thus I suggest high efficient horn loaded speakers for outdoors.

 

[HTHOLIC]

What about DIPLOES V. regular speakers for surround

Another question that wasn't really explained a lot in website reviews is dipoles v. regular speakers for surrounds.

Ie, The RBH 66-se v. the 61-se, Dipolies are the ones that have one woofer/tweeter on one side and another set on the others.

 

[HTHOLIC]

Anyone have the answer?

Does anyone have the answer to the dipole v. regular bookshelf speaker question I had?

I notice that the RBH sI-6100 which is price about $1,500 has the same drivers as the T-1 but in a different package.

I wonder if I can use that with any subwoofer of my choosing ie, a svs 13 inch sub with a velodyne equalizer sms-1.

 

[nova]

You don't need di-poles,...and the 66-SE's are not a di-pole speaker in any case. They are a hybrid? bi-di design,... meaning the Woofers are bi-polar and tweeters are di-polar. Personally I really like the 66-SE as a side surround, but would suggest the 61-SE for the back surrounds.

 

[HTHOLIC]

Which RBH speakers do you have?

I am curious to know which RBH speakers you have, and whether you have any T or in wall speakers. I notice that the inwall series has the same perfomance as the t series according to RBH.

 

[nova]

I have:

1 - 661-SE
2 - 1266-SE
2 - 66-SE
1 - 1212-SE
1 - MC-414C
4 - MC-4C
1 - TS-10AP

No T Series for me,... too much $$$. I have listened to the T series and most of the Signature in walls. And while the Signature in-wall are very good I don't think they image as well as the T Series. There are a lot of high end homes around here with Home Theaters built around RBH Sound in-wall speakers. All the one I have heard were very impressive.

 

[HTHOLIC]

I am curious as to the price you paid

Nova, I wonder how much those speakers costed you so I can know the prices to see if they can fit into my budget.

I PM (private messaged you), if you want to tell me via messaging as forums get old on audioholics and and people forget about topics that were posted days ago.

 

[nova]

Nova, I wonder how much those speakers costed you so I can know the prices to see if they can fit into my budget.

I PM (private messaged you), if you want to tell me via messaging as forums get old on audioholics and and people forget about topics that were posted days ago.

PM sent.
Basically my RBH Signature speaker system added up to about $7500 and the MC about $2000