Allegri's Miserere...

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GO-NAD!

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...performed by the Tallis Scholars and recorded at Merton College Chapel. TLSGuy had recommended a different recording of this work, but I came across this CD at a music store recently and decided to give it a try - it was only $12 after all.

I can't find fault with the performance - but then I'm no expert. The music is hauntingly beautiful.

There is something odd about the recording though. After some pauses during the performance, it seems as though they switch back and forth between near and far microphones. Don't know if it's a deliberate effect or not....:confused:
 
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Then For A Change Of Pace.....

.....**** Dale and Stevie Ray Vaughan's recording of Pipeline. Wicked guitars....
 
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jostenmeat

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GO-NAD!, will you please share which recording TLS recommended? Coincidentally, the Carmen bluray he reviewed is finally next in the queue, but I have to wait until next month, because I used all my rentals for this month. (I'm thinking of bumping up from minimum subscription.)

The Tallis Scholars are one of the top ensembles of their kind, some might even say the best period.

I think that the Hilliard Ensemble (just 4 dudes) have recorded the best I've heard, for me, with this kind of polyphony. However, their recordings have ranged from just so-so SQ, IMO, to maybe the very best I've ever heard (better in SQ than my best Tallis recording, IMO).
 
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GO-NAD!, will you please share which recording TLS recommended? Coincidentally, the Carmen bluray he reviewed is finally next in the queue, but I have to wait until next month, because I used all my rentals for this month. (I'm thinking of bumping up from minimum subscription.)

The Tallis Scholars are one of the top ensembles of their kind, some might even say the best period.

I think that the Hilliard Ensemble (just 4 dudes) have recorded the best I've heard, for me, with this kind of polyphony. However, their recordings have ranged from just so-so SQ, IMO, to maybe the very best I've ever heard (better in SQ than my best Tallis recording, IMO).
Sure, here it is:
http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=392095#review&AID=10274126&PID=3515667&SID=5f92q6mh5q

It's looks like a bargain bin CD, but it was the only version that TLS liked. It's only $10.99 @ Amazon.ca, so I may go ahead and order that one as well - just to compare.

Have you heard the Tallis Scholars version? If so, did you notice the near/far effect that I mentioned? I'm quite curious about that. It doesn't sound like they're just singing more softly at certain points - it sounds like they are physically further away from the microphone(s) (I have no idea how many they would use). Would they switch between mics in mid-performance?
 
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.....**** Dale and Stevie Ray Vaughan's recording of Pipeline. Wicked guitars....
What the....!?:confused:

OK, how about Richard Dale? I can't believe his name was censored, just because it is also an informal term for a part of the male anatomy....:rolleyes:

:D
 
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jostenmeat

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Sure, here it is:
http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=392095#review&AID=10274126&PID=3515667&SID=5f92q6mh5q

It's looks like a bargain bin CD, but it was the only version that TLS liked. It's only $10.99 @ Amazon.ca, so I may go ahead and order that one as well - just to compare.

Have you heard the Tallis Scholars version? If so, did you notice the near/far effect that I mentioned? I'm quite curious about that. It doesn't sound like they're just singing more softly at certain points - it sounds like they are physically further away from the microphone(s) (I have no idea how many they would use). Would they switch between mics in mid-performance?
Thanks! No, I don't know the Tallis Scholars version, in fact I am simply unfamiliar with the work. I very highly doubt that they "switch" between mics, but TLS is the guy to ask about that. When I picked his brain on one of the Beethoven symphony cycles I own, I learned that there are indeed "hybrid" micing techniques, and so far I believe I have come to adopt his preference for minimal micing (sometimes with recordings that adopt more "advanced" techniques leave me with the sense of contrived spacial information).

Anyways, I do not expect "advanced" techniques with the typical choir in a typical church/cathedral. My guess is that they simply were singing with different dynamics, between piano and forte. Perhaps it is a matter of interpretation to bring out a certain line, or to create some contrast as to mix up their boredom or to be different, or maybe it was the recording engineer who decided to do that, but this I doubt.

That disc is quite the survey! I have really enjoyed some things I've heard by a number of those composers, such as by Tomás Luis de Victoria, or Francesco da Milano (particularly his fantasias for solo lute) who was the only other person besides Michelangelo to be dubbed "Il Divino", and of course they both had the best paying gig in Europe, working for the pope, hehe. It appears that both Paul O'Dette and Hopkinson Smith are performing on da Milano's work, and they are lute all stars. I've seen them both perform, the former a couple of times, with some beers afterward too. Paul is a very nice guy.

Josquin is the most well known composer of his time, but I am not a fan of El Grillo. Ockeghem was his predecessor, some say his teacher (but I don't know about that), and his works are often marked with very low notes for the bass because he had a very deep voice, heh.

Monteverdi is a giant of composers, but I am still very unfamiliar with his work because, I don't know, I was never as drawn to this time of music. I never really enjoyed Palestrina either, and maybe I resent him for being on the Council of Trent that forever limited the insane (in a good way) polyphony of the height of Renaissance music. His music is simply boring to me in comparison to the composers that he helped send off into the secular realm of music.

In the closing of the review in your link, I read that the reviewer had just received two recent arrivals that he was impressed with, and one of them is by someone I took a class with, Morten Lauridsen. I should be ashamed of myself for not owning any of his recordings. Maybe I'll soon pick up Lux Aeterna. Heck, I'm thinking of picking up some da Milano and Victoria as well. Gee, thanks for spending my money! TLS Guy, if/when you read this, I want a Victoria recommendation, pronto! :D
 
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No, I don't know the Tallis Scholars version, in fact I am simply unfamiliar with the work.
As I mentioned, I am most certainly not an expert on such music. It just sounds wonderful to me. As the saying goes, "I may not know art, but I know what I like".:D

I just noticed that the Essential Renaissance version is 5:48, while the Tallis Scholars version is 12:31.:confused: Perhaps the former is just an exerpt?

I very highly doubt that they "switch" between mics
I wouldn't have thought so either, but....

My guess is that they simply were singing with different dynamics, between piano and forte.
It didn't sound that way to me. They actually sounded further away from the mic. Maybe it's a figment of my imagination.:confused: I think you should buy the Tallis Scholars CD, listen for yourself and then report back to me...:D

Oh, and thanks for your take on the "E.R." CD. I'll get just to get more exposure to other works.
 
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DepletedZPM

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There is something odd about the recording though. After some pauses during the performance, it seems as though they switch back and forth between near and far microphones. Don't know if it's a deliberate effect or not....:confused:
I believe you are noticing the effect of alternating between the small antiphon group and the main group. In the recording at Merton College Chapel in Oxford, the main group is up "front", while the antiphon cantors are around the corner. There's a video of the Tallis Scholars performing the same piece in the Sistine Chapel -- not the same physical arrangement, but still the physical separation of subgroups. Look for " Tallis Scholars - Allegri: Miserere" on youtube.com -- I'm a newbie here so I can't post the link myself.
 
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I believe you are noticing the effect of alternating between the small antiphon group and the main group. In the recording at Merton College Chapel in Oxford, the main group is up "front", while the antiphon cantors are around the corner. There's a video of the Tallis Scholars performing the same piece in the Sistine Chapel -- not the same physical arrangement, but still the physical separation of subgroups. Look for " Tallis Scholars - Allegri: Miserere" on youtube.com -- I'm a newbie here so I can't post the link myself.
That has to be it! Thank you so much! I was wondering if there was something screwy with the recording, or I was losing my mind. But that explains it perfectly. You can most certainly hear the physical separation. The effect is a little off-putting, while listening to a recording, but I'm sure it would be wonderful if you were sitting in that chapel listening.

This would be a prime candidate for a surround sound version.
 
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DepletedZPM

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This would be a prime candidate for a surround sound version.
The group returned to Merton College Chapel 25 years later, in 2005, and recorded the Allegri and Palestrina pieces using current technology. It's available as a 5.1 24/96 download from the Gimell Records website (CDGIM 041), but no SACD version, as far as I know.

Also, I'd like correct my earlier post when I erroneously stated the location of the video recording. The site is the Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore, Rome, not the Sistine Chapel.
 
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