Advise on Equipment for Entry Level Home Theater

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jacoka

Enthusiast
I am moving to a new house and have a small place in which I am planning to install a Home Theater. The room is 10 feet deep (from the screen to the projector) by aprox. 12 feet wide. This room has an adjacent one (same room actually) which is larger but I intend to place by bar there (the entire room (an underground room) has the form of an L, the smaller part of being the one with the Home Theater.

My budget is around $6,000, which I hope anyone out there may help me use wisely. I am also willing to sacrifice a little video if I can get the best audio possible considering my limited budget.

I am a novice at this, but after some research I have selected the equipment listed below, I would appreciate if someone with more experience (which is easy in my case), can give me any opinions or suggestions to make a better use of my money:

- Yamaha RX V1800 AV Receiver. I am interested in using the same receiver to control two additional zones in the house.

- era Design 4 Speakers (two in front and two surrounds) with a Design 4 LCR (central speaker).

- SVS SB12-Plus Subwoofer.

- SANYO PLZ200 Projector or alternatively Panasonic PT-AE2000U.

- Screen: I am open to any recommendations around the $700 range (I do a pull-down one (if possible electric). I only have around 80” wide considering 16:9 because of my limited Throw Distance.

I already have the Playstation 3 to use as DVD and Blu-ray player.

I thank anyone who may help me out.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
The 1800 would be my pick for an AVR.

Did you listen to the Eras? The only way to pick speakers is listen to many and pick the ones that sound best to you.

I know little to nothing about PJs.

Call SVS, give them your room dimensions and see what they say.

Get all your speaker wire and cables from Monoprice or BlueJeans. No need to spend much money on them.
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
If you have heard the ERA's and like them I say go for it. If you are looking for other options considering this will probably be a 100% HT setup I say check out Paradigm Studio. They would be one of my first picks for HT because of their forward nature.
 
tomd51

tomd51

Audioholic General
I think your idea of "Entry Level" equipment and most folks are a bit different. :) Fortunately, it sounds like you've got a good start on some of the equipment you're looking for. Some basic questions I'd have for you are:

- How large is the room (WxHxD cu. or sq. ft)?
- Will this room be mostly for movies or music? If both, what kind of ratio?
- Do you have complete light control in this room? Sounds like, but would help in suggestions.
- Any consideration for DLP as opposed to LCD for your projector?
- Any consideration towards a 720P as opposed to 1080P? Sounds like might be sitting close, but you could definitely save some coin or put it towards the audio portion w/a solid 720P projector with great performance.
 
AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
Welcome, don’t know why you’re considering the SVS SB, but if you’d like to dredge the depths for HT and still have good musical performance you might want to consider an AV123 MFW-15 or Epik Knight/Caliber instead.

You should be able to get a good deal on either projector and an Elite Screens CineTension2 Cinema White 92” dia. screen through Visual Apex.
 
Phil Taylor

Phil Taylor

Senior Audioholic
May I suggest that you make the longer part of the room your "deep" - that will gain you a couple of feet throw for your pj and allow a bigger image as well as better on-axis viewing. Also you may want to take a look at the Mitsubishi HC5000 projector for a spectacular image - it's discontinued but still available and is going for under $2K nowadays.
 
jcPanny

jcPanny

Audioholic Ninja
HT system

Sounds like you have some great leads for the HT. Here are a few ideas.

I have the SVS SB12-Plus and it is a great sub but it is a compromise in performance for it small size. Consider one of the larger ported subs for more LFE in your dedicated room.

I would also consider a fixed screen to save a few bucks. They cheap pull down screen will get wrinkles or waves over time.

Try to save a few bucks in your budget for some nice furniture and room treatments. Some of the DIY plans and kits make the room treatments pretty inexpensive.
 
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jacoka

Enthusiast
Thank you all for your replies. This is great feedback.

To answer some of your questions, the area of the HT is aprox L-10 ft, W-12 ft and H-7 ft (aprox. 900 cubic feet), but this area is the small part of a room in the form of an L; the longer part of the L must be around 1200 cubic feet (I plan to put 2 speakers for this area).

I plan to use the system 60% for music aand 40% for movies. I do have 100% control on lights in this room.

I have not heard the ERA Design 4, but will travel to the US next week and will listen to them. I will also look for a dealer of Paradigm Studio as per Gus6464's suggestion.

Tomd51, thanks for the advise on the 720P Projector, I may actually get more money into Audio with this solution.

I will take a look at the AV123 MFW-15 or Epik Knight/Caliber, I picked the SVS SB based on good reviews I have read and also I am looking for something not bigger than 1.5 cubic feet.

I will also take a look at the Mitsubishi HC5000. Is it hard to get?

AVRat thanks very much on suggestions regarding screens (I have no clue in this particular subject).

Again thank you all.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Around $6,000... While this is an audio-first forum, I don't think anything is more important than the display in the HT. In any case, the one aspect that is so important for both areas is the room. What colors are you planning to have the walls/floor/ceiling, and how good is the light control? If you have poor light control, THEN I would say yeah, go ahead and compromise on the video, and throw it on the audio.

$700 for a modest screen is healthy. Since you are willing to spend on screen, and it will be smaller, I would price some AT (acoustically transparent) screens. Not the perforated type, but the weaves. Yes, they are very expensive, but then you can pull off 3 identical towers/bookshelves, all installed vertically, with tweeters on the same horizontal plane. Just doing this would give you a better setup than 99% of us hobbyists, and that's regardless of your chosen electronics. I couldn't pull this off, but if I were in your shoes...

Going by the screen chosen, I figure the room is not too huge. Which means you won't need as much sub or amp. Acoustical treatments and bass traps will give you a relative "bang for buck" at your stated budget, and especially in a relatively modest room.

I typically choose not to buy brand new A-stock. I have 9 speakers, and only one was A stock. My PJ was open box. Have bought a pre/pro, amp, and receiver in the last two years, and they were all refurbished. Everything works and looks great.

Nice projector choices. As you will see in the projector sub-forum, BMXTRIX gives the Epson 1080UB high marks. But, that will eat close to half your budget. I would absolutely not get a 720p seeing how affordable 1080p is. I use about 40-42 viewing angle, which is not all that rare, and I am quite past the full benefit of 1080p, and most likely even past the FULL benefit of 1440p. Again, however, I have to say that if you have poor light control, getting stuff like better black levels would be a waste of money.

So $6k. THIS IS JUST ME. And assuming HT first system. I would go for about $250 each on front three speakers. $500 on sub. $250 for the rears. So far, that's $1,500. Refurbed Onkyo 805 for about $600 (or less), if just for the amp. If you fear Onkyo QC or CS, then get weaker amp section among other brands' similar price points. $3,000 on PJ. Screen is tough, because depending on tech, you can spend very little (couple hundred) to 4 digit range. Let's pretend you can get a weave for $1,000 (wishful). That's about $6k, not including cabling, rack, UPS. Cabling, go monoprice, and you will have everything you need at under $100. UPS, try APC or perhaps Belkin. If you have more money to spend, I highly recommend acoustical treatments. Years down the road, you can always add another sub, more advanced bass mgmt, RF remote, etc.

Have fun, and enjoy the process. -jostenmeat
 
Phil Taylor

Phil Taylor

Senior Audioholic
What I meant by the long part is that you said the area you are going to use is 10x12 and you were looking to throw 10ft... I mean set your room so the 12ft length is the deep rather than wide - then you get 2ft farther throw which can make a difference when you are shooting your image.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
What I meant by the long part is that you said the area you are going to use is 10x12 and you were looking to throw 10ft... I mean set your room so the 12ft length is the deep rather than wide - then you get 2ft farther throw which can make a difference when you are shooting your image.
And having that setup is better for audio as well. :)
 
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jacoka

Enthusiast
What I meant by the long part is that you said the area you are going to use is 10x12 and you were looking to throw 10ft... I mean set your room so the 12ft length is the deep rather than wide - then you get 2ft farther throw which can make a difference when you are shooting your image.
I agree with you. Unfortunatelly on one end of the 12feet spread I have a large window and therefore I can't set the room up that way.
 
Phil Taylor

Phil Taylor

Senior Audioholic
I agree with you. Unfortunatelly on one end of the 12feet spread I have a large window and therefore I can't set the room up that way.
If you opt for a drop-down screen you could use it for a "blackout shade" over the window. I've done that in a couple of apartments I've lived in. :) I also had dark velvet curtains to cover the remainder of the windows (they were wide picture windows).
 
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jacoka

Enthusiast
Thanks

May I suggest that you make the longer part of the room your "deep" - that will gain you a couple of feet throw for your pj and allow a bigger image as well as better on-axis viewing. Also you may want to take a look at the Mitsubishi HC5000 projector for a spectacular image - it's discontinued but still available and is going for under $2K nowadays.
For some reason (apparently I haven't posted enough messages) I was unable to reply the private message regarding the PJ. Thanks
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
I already have the Playstation 3 to use as DVD and Blu-ray player.
I don't know if there's just a problem with my unit, but based on my experience I wouldn't use it as a CD player.

I've not noticed an issue with DVDs/BluRays, but I've got some serious sound quality issues playing CDs through it.

PS3 hooked via fiber to Sony STR-DE945 vs Toshiba HD-DVD playing (in the most recent case) Elton John's "Can you feel the Love Tonight" through a pair of bi-wired Paradigm Studio 60v3s.
 

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