Advice on new system

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Aljosja

Audiophyte
Dear all,

I hope I posted my questions in the right forum, if not, please forgive me my inexperience!

I've decided I want to buy my first higher end Hi-Fi system since listening to (as well as playing btw) music is my passion and I'm done with my ordinary Logitech 2.1 set. Before I invest a lot of money though, I would like to receive some advise by people who know a lot more about good audio and above all have a lot more experience in this field, which is why I've come here :) ! Let me begin by sketching a profile:

Budget: €2500 - 3000
Sources: Computer (around 100GB of ripped CD's as FLAC's and Spotify), good old turnables, and own recordings from time to time.
Purpose: I basically only listen to classical music and, more specific, 90% of the time to early music, which means small ensembles, solo harpischord and organ, opera, small choirs, etc. IMO clarity is everything for this kind of music. I also love music from 1750-1900, but big symphony orchestra's are not really my cup of tea. I watch movies from time to time, but good music reproduction is the most important for me.
Room: 3,30m x 7m x 2,30m, stone plastered walls, laminate flooring. Acoustic-wise I can only say that when playing with small groups in it, it is not at all dry (which is nice when playing acoustic instruments in it, but maybe not that good for hifi from what I've read so far).

From the online 'research' I've done so far I've become interested in the Peachtree Nova125, because it would give me the opportunity to use my computer as the main feed through it's DAC, but not exclude my turnables. Another advantage would be the opportunity to add good headphones later (I do a lot of listening on my own and am interested in these as well). From what I've read, it's also a good amp to start when I would want to buy better speakers or speakers for a bigger room later because of the 125W per channel. Any thoughts on this? Would the Nova125 fit my profile (classical music/room/etc)?

Then there's the question of speakers. I've absolutely no experience, so it is tempting to buy the Peachtree D5's with the Nova125 and get the €300 discount, but are they any good for classical music? From what I've read, they have very good bass reproduction for just a bookshelf stereo setup. For early music bass is important, but it has to be crisp, precise and melodic, not just a boomy beat if you get what I mean.

The last thing I hesitate about is a difficult one: cables. When I google on this subject, I get thousands of fierce discussions on whether cables matter or not. I'm not willing to spend alot of money on something I won't hear, but if it does indeed mean a noticeable difference, I will consider spending €200-300 on them.

I hope you know enough to help me a bit further.
Thank you very much!

Greetings from Holland
 
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bikemig

Audioholic Chief
I've looked over the Peachtree stuff a few times. The specs look good but the products always seemed a bit overpriced and overhyped for my taste.

I certainly wouldn't waste any of my budget on cables. Just get basic decent quality cables.

If you want a powerhouse of an amp with good headphone specs and digital inputs, the Onkyo A-9070 has great specs and weighs about twice as much as the Nova 125.
Onkyo | A-9070

For speakers, I'd lean towards floorstanding speakers over bookshelf speakers. Typically you pay more for a floorstanding speaker than an equivalent bookshelf but the floorstander should generally go deeper which is a good thing for all kinds of music . I don't know what's available in the Netherlands but I imagine the major lines of British speakers (Bowers and Wilkins, Wharfedale, etc. are available); I imagine Focals (France) are as well. I'd find a good store and listen to as many different quality speakers as you can before deciding. Bring your own music with you to listen to. Living in a compact country like the Netherlands will make it easy for you to find some quality stores where you can listen to speakers.

Tot ziens . . .

(I lived in Gelderland more than a few year ago but my Dutch is really rusty).
 
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Aljosja

Audiophyte
thanks for the reply! This Onkyo indeed looks like an interesting option. It has less watts than the nova125, is that going to be an issue? Or is there a difference in quality of 'watts'? I also saw the Onkyo A-9000R, which has a USB-input but is alot more expensive. Is there any quality difference between coax/optical and USB when playing music from a computer?

For speakers, I've been looking around a bit on your advise and found the B&W 683, CM7, CM8; Focal 7 series, 800 series until 826V and Wharfedale Evo2 50 to be falling within my price range and available at a store not to far away. Any other speakers that deserve to be in this list? Any thoughts on these products? I read some reviews but it's always hard to know what they say about your personal preference (which is why I'm going to listen to them of course).

Groetjes!
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
KEF, B&W, ATC, Revel, Focal, Dynaudio, Amphion.
 
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bikemig

Audioholic Chief
I wouldn't lose too much (if any) sleep over the claimed difference in wattage between the onkyo 9070 and the nova125: The Decibel (dB) Scale & Audio Rules 101 — Reviews and News from Audioholics
The Onkyo will be able to drive your speakers nicely. If you are wondering how loud your system will play, this is useful: Peak SPL Calculator.

These are all really reputable speaker manufacturers and people on this site and others will argue back and forth on which one sounds best. You're lucky to have a shop nearby where you can listen to so many different speaker brands. I live in the Midwest and there were only a handful of speakers I could listen to in the town where I live. I ended up choosing PSB speakers and I've been really happy with them. I would put together a collection of music for critical listening that you know well and sit down and listen to the speakers. You'll be able to decide which one sounds best for you.

Btw, even though symphonies are not your favorite music, they make for really good test for a speaker. Complex music is at good at revealing flaws in speakers. Bring some rock and roll, some jazz, different kinds of classical, etc.: How to Audition Loudspeakers in a Retail Store — Reviews and News from Audioholics
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Definitely use your favorite songs as the primary test for speakers. You will notice more subtle differences in material you are familiar with. If you do pick classical music pick something you are familiar with.
 
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Aljosja

Audiophyte
I'll definitely bring some symphonic recordings (Beethoven 5, Mozart Paris, Brahms 2, etc.) but it's also very important to me that more 'intimate' music sounds good. How about the amp? Is there a difference between USB (A-9000R) and coax/optic (9070)?
 
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Aljosja

Audiophyte
Any idea on the USB vs coax/optical question?
Thanks!
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
For your initial listenng sessions, concentrte on the speakers. These will have infinitely more impact on the overall sound of your system compared with the amps.

Once you've settled on speakers, then basically make sure ypur amp has enough clean power to handle them.

But, as for the source, the quality of the recordings is as important as the speakers. Make sure you've got well recorded CD's of pieces with which you're familiar.

As for cables and interconnects, well, their impact on the overall sound generally overstated but, in reality,is so far down the chain of importance that I wouldn't worry about it. Suffice it to say that as long as they are well constructed and the interconncts are well shielded, you're all set. And, these qualities don't cost a small fortune. Worry about these last.
 
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Aljosja

Audiophyte
Sounds reasonable, I definitely didn't plan to invest alot of money in cabling. Only thing is that I understood USB uses a totally different interface, which is why I came up with this question. Auditioning will be done from my cd's, but eventual listening will be done from my computer, so I don't wanna find out later coax is audibly inferior to USB asynchronyous transfer...
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
I'm not really into that digital thing but I'm pretty sure it mostly boils down more to the DAC's involved than the signal transfer method.
 
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