advice on Mission speaksers + Onkyo TX-NR1010

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christian_

Audiophyte
Hi everybody,

I'm looking to get some advice on a 5.1 home theater system I was offered.
It's a Onkyo TX-NR1010 with Mission SX-4 "pack" as they called it. Thats two SX 4s + one SX 2 and two SX 1s (?)... Not sure if I got the numbers right.

The sound quality was absolutely amazing and I felt like buying it on the spot, but I am uncertain of the Onkyo receiver. Eventhough I appreciate a good sound system, I'm not very well informed of which brands produce good quality and reliable products. I perceive Onkyo as not being such a high-end producer. Also, the 1010 seemed to have A LOT of extra options, many of which I could most likely do without.
I'll mostly use it to listen to music with the occasional movie (no gaming or anything of that sort).

Could anybody give me some insight into what you think of Mission and Onkyo? Or if there is a better combination, whereas I'd rather consider replacing the reciever, than the speakers (they already got the "ok, this could look good in our living room" from my wife ;) ).

appreciate any advice,

Greetings, Chris

Edit - I forgot to add. The store only had Onkyo receivers, hence my doubt over whether this was the best possible combination. The sales-man would of course promote the brand, because he doesnt want me to only take the speakers.
 
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KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
If you were impressed with the sound, know it is the speakers that were impressing you!

Onkyo makes a competent receiver. "Competent" is a good term to use for receivers. the differences between what you will hear from, say, Marantz, Denon, Onkyo, Yamaha, HK receivers is miniscule (if it exists at all). Amplification is a mature science and all companies use the same equations when designing their products.

Speakers, on the other hand, are a much more difficult proposition! Here you are converting electrical signal to mechanical motion to sound. There are lots of way to do this and no good consensus on the best approach. Consequently, speakers are the component of your system that are most critical to listen to and make sure they have a sound you like.

When choosing a receiver, your only concern is that it has the ability to power your speakers and has any features/connectivity that is important to you.
Features you don't need is mostly a given in the modern audio industry. Just as the word-processor disappeared to the (over-qualified) computer, manufactures find it is less expensive to incorporate lots o features rather than produce many different models with only the specific features you want.

That said, the TX-NR1010 may well be more receiver than you need to pay for. It is common for sales people to over-sell you on electronics, IMHO.
Hopefully you will get replies from others who know about that receiver.

PS - I realize you have probably read reviews where the author claims tremendous differences in the sound from different receivers. They are in the business of selling their articles and would run out of work quickly if they didn't have anything to say to differentiate between the products they reviewed! The worst offenders do not do any lab tests on the equipment, which allows them to make any subjective statement they want.
 
afterlife2

afterlife2

Audioholic Warlord
Welcome! KEW Is right on the money. Onkyo is a good product and I owned one. What Is your budget and Is a turntable, CD, or MP3 player your music source?

I think this Is better choice for you If you don't have a turntable and affordable with about the same wattage In power of the 1010. The only thing It doesn't have Is a pre-out, which you won't need with all the power it produces: ONKYO HT-R990 THX 7.1-Ch Network Home Theater Receiver | Accessories4less
 
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Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
As KEW already said, if you like the sound, it is (mostly) the speakers that you are liking. As for a receiver, you should primarily think about what features you want, the user interface (controls and onscreen menus) and stick to reliable brands. I personally like Yamaha receivers for home theater, as I like their features and they tend to be very reliable, while generally (in the U.S., anyway) being competitively priced. But a Yamaha does not sound "special" or different from any other competently designed receiver with settings adjusted the same (many people, though, do not properly compare things, and so they can fool themselves into thinking the thing is essentially different, when it is just a feature setting that is different).

Now, if you were dealing with difficult to drive speakers (e.g., low impedance, etc.), then you would need to concern yourself with the amplification. But in that case, you would probably want to buy a receiver with preamp outputs for all channels, and use one or more separate power amplifiers, rather than trying to get a receiver that is up to the task, which, with really difficult speakers, will likely be impossible.

Also as KEW has already said, it is common for people to overspend on electronics. You should put the majority of your money where it will make the most difference, and that is in the speakers. I used to use a receiver that retailed for about $600 with speakers that retail for over $6000, but I replaced the receiver with one that retails for about $1700 because I wanted more (and newer) features. It sounds the same as before, as long as I do not engage a feature that affects the sound. The new receiver is capable of putting out about twice the power of the old one, but my speakers are an easy 8 ohms of normal efficiency, so the old one could drive them to levels I found painful, so the extra power is irrelevant in my case.

In other words, if I were wanting better sound and nothing else, then I would have totally wasted my money on the "better" receiver. If I had spent full retail price, that $1100 extra for the receiver would not buy me any better sound. It is something to think about when deciding how to allocate your money on a system.

Aside from the fact that the sound will be most affected by the speakers and therefore you will get the best sound putting your money there, another great advantage to spending your money on your speakers is that you will not need to replace them when they come out with some new feature that you want. Many people replaced receivers due to the newer audio formats on BD, but there is no need to change speakers because of some new audio format. I personally do not plan on ever upgrading my speakers at this point, as it would be very expensive to get better sound, and it would not be possible to get very dramatically better sound at any price. But I expect that, eventually, I will replace my receiver due to wanting some feature or other that was not available when it was made.

For most people, I would recommend aiming for the bottom of Yamaha's Aventage line, as the quality is a bit better than their lower models, and the feature set is pretty good at that point. But you can go with other brands of receivers and it can sound just as good.

And don't bother with magic wires and other such things, that no one has demonstrated the ability to hear under proper testing conditions (i.e., double blind, etc.). Even if it made some subtle difference that was somehow magically not detectable scientifically (which is a silly idea, but let us assume it for the sake of the discussion), it makes a lot more sense to spend your money on things that make a big enough difference to be detectable with proper testing, and so you should still be putting your money into your speakers. (Subwoofers, by the way, are speakers, too.)
 
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christian_

Audiophyte
Thanks everybody for your advice! I quite like the idea of using a more reasonably priced and specced Yamaha receiver. I was already in a Yamaha-store, before I posted in this forum and had requested advice on a receiver. The sales-man told me at the time, that I should save on the speakers (I had voiced my preference for the Mission-brand wihch he did not have for sale) and spend more on the receiver, as the sound quality is determined almost soley by the receiver... ;) I got so much bad advice already from sales-staff since I went off on this odyssey, I could write a book about it.

I noted nobody said anything about the Mission speakers. Are they so exotic that nobody has experience with them, or was it because I sort of comitted myself already to buying them in my post?

How do I know if they will be compatible to the Yamaha receiver? I dont want to only take the sales-persons word for it.

Thanks
 
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christian_

Audiophyte
@ afterlife2

I'd be looking to spend around USD 4.000,- for the entire system. All I have hooked up at the moment is a reasonably good media player HDD, through which I stream web-radio or listen to MP3s, watch movies etc.

Thanks, I'll go and see if they have a HT-R990 on stock. I read in a much older thread in this forum that Onkyo seemed to have quality issues with some products. Quality in the sense of being unreliable. Overheating seemed to be an issue for some owners. Could that become an issue with the R990 or 1010?
 
afterlife2

afterlife2

Audioholic Warlord
@ afterlife2

I'd be looking to spend around USD 4.000,- for the entire system. All I have hooked up at the moment is a reasonably good media player HDD, through which I stream web-radio or listen to MP3s, watch movies etc.

Thanks, I'll go and see if they have a HT-R990 on stock. I read in a much older thread in this forum that Onkyo seemed to have quality issues with some products. Quality in the sense of being unreliable. Overheating seemed to be an issue for some owners. Could that become an issue with the R990 or 1010?
Just give it enough shelve space to any receiver and you should be fine. Most of them produces alot of heat. I had the Onkyo for 2 years and never had a problem. Many had issues with the model I had, but I take extra care of my stuff and never had Issues. Well since you have the money another great option Is the Onkyo 818(If I had the money I'd get it), which was $700 recently on that site I linked you to. It also has 2 fans inside it, which is a plus.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
I noted nobody said anything about the Mission speakers. Are they so exotic that nobody has experience with them, or was it because I sort of comitted myself already to buying them in my post?

How do I know if they will be compatible to the Yamaha receiver? I dont want to only take the sales-persons word for it.

Thanks
What little I have seen of Mission speakers, I liked; however, they are hardly sold/marketed on this side of the pond. Thus, not many here know much about them. Plus, if someone expresses that they like the sound, we are not too quick to second guess your preferences (assuming it wasn't Bose speakers).
If you want to try out some other speakers, I'd suggest KEF (not because I know them to be superior to Mission, but they are simply a good solid speaker manufacturer).

Making certain that the receiver is capable of driving teh speakers is not always easy. If the speakers you choose have been reviewed with thorough lab testing, we can look at the impedance/phase graph and get a good idea of what type of power is needed.
That said, most receivers offer about 100W at 8 ohms, and the competent brands that have been mentioned put out ~150W 4 ohms loading. This is generally ample for typical speakers in a typical room.
Most speaker companies provide info on efficiency and power requirements. Unfortunately, the marketing departments have turned these spec's into a exercise in hype, so they should be taken with a grain of salt. If you can call the company and get technical support, you may get better info. But you need to do your own evaluation of the competence of the support person.
Last, drive your speakers (in stereo, at least) with the receiver in the store. Make sure it gets plenty loud and be wary if the sound gets especially abrasive (which would indicate clipping of the amps power).
 

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