Advice needed on how to take my system to the next level

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wstandis

Audioholic Intern
Ok .... So I have been posting bits an piecies here trying to piece together my larger question as I was afraid nobody would respond to a long question but here goes:

Current Setup is: Yamaha rx-v2500 (130w.channel) ; B&W p6 Mains; B&W 600 Center; Definitive technology BP2x surrounds & Supercube II sub. The Mutt system.

My system just never has wowed me, especially at low volumes. I am ok with the movies being secondary right now as I have two chldren and usually watch movies late at night, however I want the potentail to play moveis well as theywill not be young forever.

My main problem with my system is when listening to music it just does not wow me. I am sure my room is not set up accoustically but you know how that goes its easier to buy new gear than treat a room. :)

So i was contemplating buying and integrating a tube amp into my existing system using that for music but that quickly turned into a pain. Which led to getting a mac solid state and integrating that using my yamaha preamp outs ( a little easier and no upkeep)
then after talking with the local stereo shop he said if i bought a mx134 preamp (used) for around $2000 and a rotel rmb-1075 (used) for around $600 I would be well on my way for both movies and musical. Then if i wanted to down the road add a used mc 252 for my main music channles I would have very little to complain about besides my room?

So my question for you is - if my current system on a scale from 1-10 is a zero for point of reference. How much better would the mac rotel combo be and then on top of that how much better would the mac rotel mac combo be? I am not the guy that spends $1000 on cables for minimal return, i mentioned i have two children. That being said I feellike I have been chasing an acceptable system for 5 years, and i am trying to get to a good sounding quality system.

Thoughts on best bang for the buck?
 
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bandphan

bandphan

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Well you hit the nail on the head, your room. If you measure the response ill bet you would see were you have issues. With your current rig you shouldnt have the issues described.
 
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jamie2112

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Room treatment like Band said is a great place to start. You have good gear I would try some treatments to your room before buying an amp or pre....
 
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wstandis

Audioholic Intern
Anyone have any good websites or threads that tell how to do this properly without major disruption to my house? Has to pass the W.A.F. (Wife acceptance Factor)

I used the YPAO on the yamaha but I am sure that is to get you in the ball park. I do have a SPL meter that i used to used for levels but that is about af far as my knowledege goes.

Again if it helps: It sounds like there is a towel over my speaker. (not they are not blown I had them checked)

Also - Would a yamaha preamp into a Mac mc252 still sound like a yamaha with a bit more presense?
 
Mika75

Mika75

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I found ur fix

Room treatment? .. I think ur speakers are defective. ;)

In short, those tweeters are stuffed.

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...ohh please! :mad:

I'll let u fill in the blanks ***.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php4?t=10276 (read reply #15)
 
Midcow2

Midcow2

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Set sound levels using SPL ?

In addition to room treatments already mentioned, which is a very good idea, have you set you sound levels using an SPL (Sound Pressure Level) meter. If not then a $50 Radio Shack investment would be worth your while.
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103667

Good luck!

MidCow2


P.S.- If you do want to up your level set a budget and spend 2/3s on speakers
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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Room treatment? .. I think ur speakers are defective. ;)

In short, those tweeters are stuffed.

It would have been easier but :To be able to post links or images your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 3 posts.

Please remove links from your message, then you will be able to submit your post.
...ohh please! :mad:

I'll let u fill in the blanks ***.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php4?t=10276 (read reply #15)
The problem is those speakers. They are very out of date and were never a good speaker from day one. They are known to be stone dead as you describe, and will still be stone dead whatever you drive them with.

In general the lower end B & W speakers have never over impressed me and still don't really grab me. If you want to play with B & W you really need to get to the 800 series and the higher end ones at that. In my view if you want B & W you have to pay to play.

I think you need new speakers to get you to the next level.
 
davidtwotrees

davidtwotrees

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TLS guy speaks the truth. I would sell what you can and put every last ounce of money you can spare into a pair of front speakers. Everything after that is icing on the cake. Put mediocre amplification through k.a. speaks and you can have great sound. Put k.a. amplification through mediocre speakers and you will have mediocre sound. Period.
 
Midcow2

Midcow2

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TLS guy speaks the truth. I would sell what you can and put every last ounce of money you can spare into a pair of front speakers. Everything after that is icing on the cake. Put mediocre amplification through k.a. speaks and you can have great sound. Put k.a. amplification through mediocre speakers and you will have mediocre sound. Period.
LOL is sounds like OP thought he got a Corvette and instead got the Aveo.

TLS gives awesome advice and Davidtwotrees is correct, best sound improovement is in front speakers, then a matching center.

Good luck!

MidCow2
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

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As has already been said, speakers and the acoustics of the room are the biggest factors in how it will sound.

With acoustics, the most common problem is a room that is too "live". When you go into an empty room, you may notice an echo. If you can hear an echo when you clap your hands once in your room, your room is too live. The more stuff you put in the room, the less of an echo you tend to have. Having pictures on the walls, bookcases with books, curtains, a big soft sofa, a nice rug, will all be better than a bare room.

Of course, ideally, you would read up on acoustic principles, and put things in place for their acoustic properties. But in practice, just putting a normal amount of things in the room will usually be good enough. A room that looks bare probably has acoustic problems.

Once you have that taken care of, then if you are still not happy, replace the speakers. But you must make the room tolerable acoustically (if it isn't already), because no speaker is going to sound good in a room with terrible acoustics.

As for speakers versus other things, I used to use a receiver that retailed for about $600 with speakers that retailed for well over $6000. It sounded great. Because I wanted more features, I replaced the receiver with one that retails for about $1600. Guess what? It sounds the same, unless I engage a new feature that I did not formerly have. Put your money in speakers.
 
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