a little confused about Power

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Sylar

Full Audioholic
Given an amp, it has a certain output power. Since loads are Inductive, different loads demand different power. More demanding loads like 2 ohm loads, require an amp that delivers more power than compared to an 8 ohm load which requires less power. Am I right so far?

But, when I see amp specs like these, I see that for a 2 ohm load, it can deliver more power, where as to an 8 ohm load the same amp delivers much lesser power. How is this?
If it can deliver 500W to a 2 ohm load and then 200W to an 8 ohm load, which means it has the ability to draw at least 500W from the wall which was delivered to the 2 ohm load, but what happened to missing 300W in the case of an 8 ohm load. Is the remaining power drawn from wall going out in form of heat or never drawn from the wall?
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
A lower impedance load needs the additional power to achieve the same SPL from the speaker. That wattage didn't "go" anywhere :) And yes, some of it will ultimately be to heat loss.
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
Answering your question should really begin with a short course in electrical theory and circuit design. Knowing a few of our more prolific typists on this forum, you may get some of that.

The effect you're noticing is a by-product of the design of most basic solid-state power amplifiers. It's all about volts. They attempt to output a specific voltage gain that is a function of the input voltage. Most amplifiers have a constant gain of between 26db and 32db. So if the input voltage is 1.0 volts, the voltage at the speaker terminals if the amp has 26db of gain will be about 20 volts. The power amp gain is always constant, the input voltage just varies depending on the source material and the position of the volume control on the pre-amp.

If the power amp is perfect, and no amp is, the amp would output 20 volts regardless of the impedance of the load. If the impedance drops the power must increase to maintain the same voltage level, roughly analogous to how more water must flow through a pipe to keep the water pressure constant as the pipe diameter increases. Using Ohm's Law to calculate power, 20 volts into an 8 ohm load is 50 watts. A perfect amp would output the same 20 volts into 4 ohm loads and 2 ohm loads, and the output would be 100 watts into 4 ohms and 200 watts into 2 ohms loads. Most amps aren't perfect, so their output voltage drops considerably as impedance drops.

The ways amplifiers work is that their power draw from the wall outlet is mostly dependent on the load the amplifier is driving, so it will draw less power when driving 8 ohm loads than 4 ohm loads. This is one reason why low impedance loads are called "demanding". They demand a more capable power supply in the amplifier, not to mention more capable output circuits. There isn't any "missing" power; the power draw is simply a function of the demand, which is a function of the load. It appears to work automatically, but it's really just a matter of physics and circuit design.

I've highly simplified everything here, and the way a speaker loads an amplifier is much more complex with more factors than I've described. Also, some solid state amplifiers, like those from McIntosh, for example, don't work this way. But hopefully this gives you some clue about the answers to your questions.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
I've highly simplified everything here, and the way a speaker loads an amplifier is much more complex with more factors than I've described. Also, some solid state amplifiers, like those from McIntosh, for example, don't work this way. But hopefully this gives you some clue about the answers to your questions.
Simplified? :) Not really, I think I gave the "cliff's notes" version officially, but you've explained it quite well I think.
 
Steve81

Steve81

Audioholics Five-0
If it can deliver 500W to a 2 ohm load and then 200W to an 8 ohm load, which means it has the ability to draw at least 500W from the wall which was delivered to the 2 ohm load, but what happened to missing 300W in the case of an 8 ohm load.
Hi Sylar,

As you may know, power = voltage x current and voltage = current x resistance. So for a 2 ohm load, delivering 500 watts takes requires the amplifier swing 31.62 volts and deliver 15.81 amperes. For an 8 ohm load, delivering 200 watts requires much less current, only 5 amperes, but it requires a greater voltage swing of 40 volts.

Simply put, running into the two ohm load, the amplifier in question will run into problems cleanly supplying so much current before it will reach the limit of its ability to swing voltage. On the other hand, into 8 ohms, the amplifier is reaching the limit of its ability to cleanly swing voltage before current becomes an issue.
 
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