A few more subwoofer questions before I buy. Advice needed.

[smihalik]

Hello fellow Audioholics

If you haven't noticed I'm looking for a subwoofer. Being in Canada, I've found the most cost effective solution for me was an SVS PB-12 NSD. This will cost me $880 all in.

However, Outlaw is having a sale this week. The LFM-1 plus will cost me $650, while the LFM-1 EX will cost me $750. These costs take into account all taxes, duties, brokerage fees, etc. Frankly I think they've done this to spite me and make my decision more complicated than it should be. I trust you guys to help me with this.

Basically my question is this:

What would be a better buy? Do these subs outperform the PB12-NSD for less money? Should I just wait and get a PB12-NSD when I have a bit more cash, rather than rushing and putting this on my credit card?

Thanks boys and girls

 

[GlocksRock]

Save up and get the SVS, it will be worth it.

 

[smihalik]

Save up and get the SVS, it will be worth it.

So, your saying the PB12-NSD will outperform the LFM-1 EX?

 

[j_garcia]

I actually think they will be pretty comparable.

 

[billy p]

Hello fellow Audioholics

If you haven't noticed I'm looking for a subwoofer. Being in Canada, I've found the most cost effective solution for me was an SVS PB-12 NSD. This will cost me $880 all in.

However, Outlaw is having a sale this week. The LFM-1 plus will cost me $650, while the LFM-1 EX will cost me $750. These costs take into account all taxes, duties, brokerage fees, etc. Frankly I think they've done this to spite me and make my decision more complicated than it should be. I trust you guys to help me with this.

Basically my question is this:

What would be a better buy? Do these subs outperform the PB12-NSD for less money? Should I just wait and get a PB12-NSD when I have a bit more cash, rather than rushing and putting this on my credit card?

Thanks boys and girls

That is a good price for the Outlaw shipped IMO. The current value of our dollar vs. the US dollar sure helps.... I paid 499.00 cdn for my pb10 last summer and not 579.00 because of the strength of our dollar last year. I prefer the finish of the svs over that of the Outlaw subs(Hsu designed). The svs have rounded seemless edges and the other designs do not.
Goodluck and when you decide post some pic's, Bill....

 

[smihalik]

That is a good price for the Outlaw shipped IMO. The current value of our dollar vs. the US dollar sure helps.... I paid 499.00 cdn for my pb10 last summer and not 579.00 because of the strength of our dollar last year. I prefer the finish of the svs over that of the Outlaw subs(Hsu designed). The svs have rounded seemless edges and the other designs do not.
Goodluck and when you decide post some pic's, Bill....

Thanks Bill, I'll definitely post some pics once my system is up and running.

Fit and finish isn't really important for me. The sub will be hidden in the corner of the room next to a large sectional. I'm really only concerned with max performance per $.

 

[shadyJ]

I think I would go for the Outlaw. It has a variable tuning mode, so you can determine where it will perform best. It has two ports, which help minimize the chances of port-chuffing. It also has a slightly more powerful amplifier. All it is, essentially, is a down-firing version of the Hsu VTF3.3. I don't think that it would be enormously more performing than the PB12, but I do think it will have a slight edge, and plus it has the tuning feature.

 

[AVRat]

I agree with shadyJ, a little more for less $$.

 

[jostenmeat]

Fit and finish isn't really important for me. The sub will be hidden in the corner of the room next to a large sectional. I'm really only concerned with max performance per $.

Then consider bass traps, if performance for $$ is your main concern. Especially if you corner load the sub. Front wall corners get the bang for prize for treating bass first, but otherwise it's virtually impossible to go overkill with trapping bass. In fact, some experts believe corner loading with bass trapping is the ideal combination, as the corner loading gets you more room gain (which means better efficiency, which means less distortion), while the treatments smooth out the response. (See, a corner loaded sub w/o treatments excites modes to maximum effect, which also makes the sub's location VERY localizable. At least in my experiences, this has always been the case). OTOH, corner + treatments could be the best of both worlds.

 

[rnatalli]

I agree with shadyJ, a little more for less $$.

Same here.

 

[lsiberian]

Then consider bass traps, if performance for $$ is your main concern. Especially if you corner load the sub. Front wall corners get the bang for prize for treating bass first, but otherwise it's virtually impossible to go overkill with trapping bass. In fact, some experts believe corner loading with bass trapping is the ideal combination, as the corner loading gets you more room gain (which means better efficiency, which means less distortion), while the treatments smooth out the response. (See, a corner loaded sub w/o treatments excites modes to maximum effect, which also makes the sub's location VERY localizable. At least in my experiences, this has always been the case). OTOH, corner + treatments could be the best of both worlds.

Jm hit the nail on the head here.

placement and room is probably the most underrated consideration with subwoofers Fix the room and you fix a lot of subs.

I'd also suggest you look at Epik they have a nice sale on a sub with a very good sized port for low distortion.