$8000 60"+ tv choices

[sdy284]

Ok, the following is a quote from a member of a car forum that i belong to and I am posting his question here.

I'm in the market for a new big screen TV and am so bewildered by all the choices in different technologies that I'm feeling like a deer in the headlights. My main requirements are (i) 60 inch+ size, (ii) 1080P inputs (for a blue ray DVD player) and (iii) first class screen resolution. My budget is $8000

From what I've seen, the Sony SXRD has an amazing picture. But it's such an ugly beast with those speakers on the side. Plus, I don't realy need speakers anyway because I have a home theatre system.

Pioneer also makes some Elite series plasmas above 60 inches that seem amazing. I think the Pioneer PRO 1410HD supports 1080P inputs but am not certain about this. Also, I watch a lot of CNBC with the ticker tape at the bottom of the screen and am worried about burn in with a plasma. Also, I'm wondering if I should just wait for Pioneer to offer the same technology as on the PRO-FHD1 Elite on a 60 inch screen.

Then again, I'm wondering if I should not just go with a DLP TV, which will avoid the burn in problem and also save me a few bucks over plasma. I understand that Samsung now has an LED DLP techology in its Samsung HL-S5679W that will be superior to the existing DLP color wheel/lamp combo (20K hours vs 5K hours of viewing before lamp replacement). I like this TV, but it's only 56 inches and Samsung said that they won't be releasing a bigger size this year.

 

[billnchristy]

I'd spend 3-4k on the Sony SXRD or Samsung DLP and buy a hot tub.

 

[BMXTRIX]

Sony Ruby - Front projection, accepts 1080p, IS 1080p native, and delivers a killer 100" image!

Really, it is a few months away, but your friend not only needs a display that accepts 1080p, but IS a 1080p display. You need both to get the best results from 1080p sources. There are very few on the market right now, but the HP displays are one of the few that do fit that requirement. There will be many more finally hitting the streets in the upcoming months if he can wait. This includes new displays from Sony and Pioneer as well as others.

 

[ragged]

Get an lcd hdtv. No burn in.

 

[BMXTRIX]

Get an lcd hdtv. No burn in.

ragged - the only formats that burn in are plasma and CRT. His budget isn't enough for plasma at that size and CRT is not that likely either, though it looks killer. DLP, LCoS, LCD, etc. do not burn in either.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Ok, the following is a quote from a member of a car forum that i belong to and I am posting his question here.

The only drawback to the front projection is that it is not a daylight operation projection gear. Dark room is needed even though it has lots of light output for a bright picture. Light on a screen is a killer.

 

[mfabien]

There are sets now that display in 1080p. Whether it is desirable, prudent or necessary for a set to be able to input in 1080p is far from being clear at this point. And then one has to pay attention to frames per second (60/30/24).

If the object, as stated, is to enable 1080p display from a BD player outputting in 1080p, one should read reviews about the new Samsung BD player before making such investments in display and DVD player based on 1080p. In fact, because the BD player encodes in MPEG-2, a Toshiba HD DVD provides a better HD image at 1080i output because the encoding is done in VC-1. In this case (HD in DVD format), encoding technology beats output resolution by far.

 

[mtrycrafts]

There are sets now that display in 1080p. Whether it is desirable, prudent or necessary for a set to be able to input in 1080p is far from being clear at this point. And then one has to pay attention to frames per second (60/30/24).

If the object, as stated, is to enable 1080p display from a BD player outputting in 1080p, one should read reviews about the new Samsung BD player before making such investments in display and DVD player based on 1080p. In fact, because the BD player encodes in MPEG-2, a Toshiba HD DVD provides a better HD image at 1080i output because the encoding is done in VC-1. In this case (HD in DVD format), encoding technology beats output resolution by far.

Is VC1 less lossy than Mpeg2, or just a better algorithm?

 

[ragged]

ragged - the only formats that burn in are plasma and CRT. His budget isn't enough for plasma at that size and CRT is not that likely either, though it looks killer. DLP, LCoS, LCD, etc. do not burn in either.

I know lcd's don't suffer from burn, that's why I said, "Get an lcd hdtv no burn-in"

And at 8 grand for a budget, he can basically get whatever he wants.

 

[mfabien]

Is VC1 less lossy than Mpeg2, or just a better algorithm?

Yes, compression savings = 3.8:1

Read article: http://tv-technology.com/features/Media-Server-Tech/F_Paulsen-02.02.05.shtml

 

[BMXTRIX]

In fact, because the BD player encodes in MPEG-2, a Toshiba HD DVD provides a better HD image at 1080i output because the encoding is done in VC-1.

Blu-ray players don't encode a thing. Both Blu-ray and HD-DVD players can read MPEG2, VC1, and AVC codecs. Neither player specifically is known to have a leg up on the other for the ability to read movies. But, at this time, Blu-ray is only available on single layer discs and only is using MPEG2 encoding - which I do believe drastically hurts the quality of their images. MPEG2 on a dual layer disc may be pheneomenal. VC1/AVC on a single layer 25GB disc should be phenomenal (if HD-DVD is any inidcator)...

Either way, only the Samsung (right now) delivers 1080p output. But, I would want a display that can at least handle 1080p/24 as well as the standard 1080i/720p/480i/p formats if my display was 1080p native. Very few of those displays exist yet and later this year is when we should see a bunch of them hit the market.

 

[mfabien]

Blu-ray players don't encode a thing. Both Blu-ray and HD-DVD players can read MPEG2, VC1, and AVC codecs. Neither player specifically is known to have a leg up on the other for the ability to read movies. But, at this time, Blu-ray is only available on single layer discs and only is using MPEG2 encoding - which I do believe drastically hurts the quality of their images. MPEG2 on a dual layer disc may be pheneomenal. VC1/AVC on a single layer 25GB disc should be phenomenal (if HD-DVD is any inidcator)...

Yes of course, it is the BD disc that is encoded in MPEG-2. I should have expressed myself correctly.

I fail to see how MPEG-2 compression will be helped with the dual layer disc...

However, there are comments going about that the BD movies will continue to be compressed in MPEG-2 once the dual layer becomes available. !

 

[BMXTRIX]

Yes of course, it is the BD disc that is encoded in MPEG-2. I should have expressed myself correctly.

I fail to see how MPEG-2 compression will be helped with the dual layer disc...

However, there are comments going about that the BD movies will continue to be compressed in MPEG-2 once the dual layer becomes available. !

MPEG2 is, by itself, an incredible codec. THe artifacts that are seen are most likely due to overcompression which is required to fit the full movie onto a 25GB disc. There are a couple of shorter movies that look significantly better. But, when you have a full 50GB to work with it means that there is a 100% increase in the available storage area and compression can be far less. The issue is not that MPEG2 is used, as MPEG2 is an incredible CODEC that is already in use for HD content delivery and DVD delivery - and has been in use for years. The issue remains that MPEG2 + 1080p + 25GB is simply not enough space to deliver the highest quality video.

AVC (or VC-1) + 25GB + 1080p is enough as shown by HD-DVD
MPEG2 + 50GB + 1080p .... well, I really can't say. I do know that the Blu-ray demo disc, if it is MPEG2, looks far better than the movies we have seen so far.

I don't really care which way they end up going as long as towards the end of this year (holiday rush) they have switched to some scheme that delivers HD the way it should look.

 

[thirdy14]

I don't really care which way they end up going as long as towards the end of this year (holiday rush) they have switched to some scheme that delivers HD the way it should look.

Exactly, where it would most likely go..

 

[sdy284]

And at 8 grand for a budget, he can basically get whatever he wants.

back on topic....

exactly...which is why he needs help on getting what he wants since there are so many things available...

 

[AVRat]

The new Sony 70" SXRD will fit the bill: http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_room/consumer/television/microdisplay/sxrd_grand_wega/release/22354.html