60 watt speakers vs 105 watts per channel

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frankieebotz

Audiophyte
Thgis probably a stupid question but here it goes.

I have a Yamaha receicer that puts out 105 watts per speaker. If I hook up 60 watt speakers to it (and Im not looking to blow the roof off of my house) will I blow the speakers?

Thanks-
Frank
 
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tcarcio

Audioholic General
If you don't overdrive them you should be fine. It is usually distortion that will blow a speaker not power. My surrounds are rated at 100w per and I am useing an amp that is 300w per. I keep the gain down and don't overdrive them and they have been working that way for about a year now.
 
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david-me

Audioholic Intern
Under powering your speakers is a main reason for blowing speakers. Search "receiver clipping"
 
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griffinconst

Senior Audioholic
Under powering your speakers is a main reason for blowing speakers. Search "receiver clipping"
+ 1 on this - under powering is way more likely to blow your speakers than two much nice clean power. If you turn it up so loud the speakers start clipping or bottoming out the woofer, just turn it down a bit.
 
adwilk

adwilk

Audioholic Ninja
All the posts here are spot on, you'll be just fine.

In fact, it'll probably be a rare (read never) occasion that your receiver actually sends that much wattage to your speakers.
 
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griffinconst

Senior Audioholic
All the posts here are spot on, you'll be just fine.

In fact, it'll probably be a rare (read never) occasion that your receiver actually sends that much wattage to your speakers.
+1 again...you'll be fine.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
There are only 2 ways to blow a speaker(outside of fun and destructive external methods)

1. drive it beyond it x-mech in the bass range.

2. Burn out the voice coil with too much power.

http://www.peavey.com/support/technotes/poweramps/HOW_MUCH_POWER.pdf

read the above article for more information.

When an amp goes into hard clipping it can do some really bad things, but on a receiver you can prevent this by playing at a reasonable volume. If your playing at -10db or lower chances are you'll be fine. If you need more than -20db I do suggest you start considering external amps. I you need above -10db then get an external amp. Be careful though. Speakers are easily blown by stupidity. :)
 
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DJ in TX

Audioholic
This wasn't my post, but very helpful info none-the-less. I was assuming the same thing that Frankieebotz was. It seems counterintuitive that less power would blow them.

So along these lines, when you are trying to make sure you don't under power a pair of speakers, and the manufacturer says the following about their speaker
power handling= 50 w max continuous (200 w peak)
should you shoot for 50 watts, or 200? Or if neither answer is correct, how do you figure out how much power will allow the speaker to perform well but not be under or over powered?
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
This wasn't my post, but very helpful info none-the-less. I was assuming the same thing that Frankieebotz was. It seems counterintuitive that less power would blow them.

So along these lines, when you are trying to make sure you don't under power a pair of speakers, and the manufacturer says the following about their speaker
power handling= 50 w max continuous (200 w peak)
should you shoot for 50 watts, or 200? Or if neither answer is correct, how do you figure out how much power will allow the speaker to perform well but not be under or over powered?
For consumer level speakers a receiver is usually sufficient.

Most speakers will suffer high distortion if you push them to their limit.
 
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DJ in TX

Audioholic
For consumer level speakers a receiver is usually sufficient.

Most speakers will suffer high distortion if you push them to their limit.
I would likely be using a receiver to power them instead of a standalone amp, but I'm curious what the sweet spot of power would be. Many receivers out there at many different wattage ratings. What would be ideal for a speaker rated at power handling= 50 w max continuous (200 w peak)?
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I would likely be using a receiver to power them instead of a standalone amp, but I'm curious what the sweet spot of power would be. Many receivers out there at many different wattage ratings. What would be ideal for a speaker rated at power handling= 50 w max continuous (200 w peak)?
Such statements depend on your listening habits, room, and speakers. Along with the planned crossovers. There is not silver bullet for receivers.

Buy based on features not power ratings. Likely the receiver with your features will have your kind of power.
 
ozmedia

ozmedia

Audioholic
Do you look at your music or listen to it?

I remember selling a mix of Harman Kardon, JVC and Fisher as a low end in the mid-80's. I used to show people how inaccurate power ratings were and how useless features were by turning up the JVC 500WPC amp (I know 500WPC! Sure, LOL) and then letting them watch as the lights flickered on the display as it pushed, creaked and groaned to deliver some heavily distorted output while making the lights dance on the fancy display window.

The Fisher, of course, was FAR worse still, but that goes without saying.

But the HK didn't HAVE any lights to flicker, except the little red LED for power on. And yet, while rated at only 100WPC (their top of the line then), it would run circles around the others and priced almost the same as JVC (driven with up to 60AMPS of current, that power moved FAST). And boy was the sound quality different than a fully featured top of he line JVC with all the 'tuning' bells and whistles. Features are not sound. Static wattage is useless for anything but lighting up LED's. Adding some current and actually MOVING that wattage is what counts.

So my very first question to people looking for a receiver was/is "Do you look at your music or listen to it?" Got a few odd looks for that one but told me what sound room to take them to.

If they are impressed with features, then obviously sound quality was not key and off to the JVC or Fisher rooms. If they liked sound, it was off to the rather basic looking, champagne finish of an H/K PM-665. no EQ, no dancing lights, bells and whistles, but some excellent filtering switches for crossover levels, discrete circuitry, phono cartridge type selection etc. instead. USEFUL features not just ones to make up for poor output.

Long and short, most mid-fi (pretty) receivers WON'T put out what they are rated at, unless cranked where they just may offer a tone or two at the rated power output, heavily distorted of course and ready to blow ANY speaker.

A good amp, can drive a speaker with a far lower power rating than the amp's rated output, as it delivers clean power without clipping and distorting. Or as others have said, too little power causes more trouble than too much.

So the amount of output power is actually pretty irrelevant, much more important is how CLEAN that power is. That's why 20W of Cambridge costs more than top of the line H/K receivers these days. Why a vintage 20W tube amp from MacIntosh sells for upward of $5k used. And why those cheesy retail products, with every bell and whistle added to create interest in features instead of sound, are so cheap and only available in big box retailers that sell to every unsuspecting customer to enter the doors.

A GOOD 20WPC amp will usually drive a 150W speaker at full power far better than a cheap 150W+ Amp (and sound better, louder and fuller). A cheap 150WPC amp will kill a decent set of speakers as soon as you turn it up, no matter their power rating.

WPC ratings on retail (especially big box)consumer electronics are absolutely useless to anyone but the marketing company and bean counters.

Of course these are my own views from personal experience, some people actually like all the lights and features added to boost price and elevate interest in receivers, whether they actually improve sound or screw it up.

I get dealers in here all the time asking for power ratings on RBH speakers that they then try to match with their client's amps. They just don't get it. It's not their fault, it's the industry's unregulated marketing efforts that MAKE people think these numbers have meaning, beyond simply increasing sales.
 
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lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I remember seling a mix of Harman Kardon, JVC and Fisher as a low end in the late 80's. I used to show people how inaccurate power ratings were by turning up the JVC 500WPC amp (I know 500WPC! Sure, LOL) and then letting them watch as the lights flickered on the display as it pushed, creaked and groaned to deliver some heavily distorted output.

The Fisher, of course, was FAR worse still.

But the HK didn't HAVE any lights to flicker, except the little red LED for power on. And yet, while rated at only 100WPC, it would run circles around the others and priced almost the same as JVC. And boy was teh sound quality different than a fully featured top of he line JVC with all teh 'tuning' bells and whistles. Features are not sound.

So my very first question to people looking for a receiver was "do you look at your music or listen to it?" (Got a few odd looks for that one) This told me what sound room to take them to. If they are impressed with features, then obviously sound was not kjey and off to the JVC or Fisher rooms. If they liked sound, it was off to the rather basic looking, champagne finish of an H/K PM-665. no EQ, no dancing lights, bells and whistles, but some excellent filtering swicthes for crossover levels, phono cartidge type etc. instead.

Long and short, most mid-fi (pretty) receivers WON'T put out what they are rated at, unless cranked where they just may offer a tone or two at the rated power output, heavily distorted of course and ready to blow ANY speaker.

A good amp, can drive a speaker with a far lower power rating than the amp's rated output, as it delivers clean power without clipping and distorting.

So the amount of output power is pretty irrelevant, much more important is how CLEAN that power is. That's why 20W of Cambridge costs more than top of the line H/K receviers these days. Why a vintage 20W tube amp from MacIntosh sells for upwards of $5k used. And why those cheesy retail products, with every bell and whistle added to create interest in features instead of sound, are so cheap and only available in big box retailers that sell to every unsuspecting customer to enter the doors.

A GOOD 20WPC amp will usually drive a 150W speaker at full power far better than a cheap 150W+ Amp (and sound better, louder and fuller). A cheap 150WPC amp will kill a decent set of speakers as soon as you turn it up, no matter their power rating.

WPC ratings on retail (especially big box)consumer electronics are absolutely useless to anyone but the marketing company and bean counters.

Of course these are my own views from personal experience, some people actually like all the lights and features added to boost price and elevate interest in receivers, whether they actually improve sound or screw it up.

I would agree with a lot that is said, but if you buy a receiver recommended here you will be fine. Denon, Marantz, Yamaha, Onkyo, and HK all make excellent receivers. I would disagree that a midfi amp can't drive most speakers. But my definition of Midfi is probably different.:D

If you need more power you can always add an amp to your system.
 

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