2 Questions: Center channel necessary, and tower vs bookshelf for midbass

ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
Lord help me, I've been starting at speakers for 3 weeks+. I have yet to decide on what to buy and now I've got another concern regarding center channels.

I had planned to only go with a front L/R setup and subwoofer for tv/dvd/music in my 20x12 living room...hardwood floors.

I'm concerned that by doing this I will have limited myself in terms of dvd video. I have a Denon AVR-587 and had planned to switch it to stereo mode so that I won't run into any issues.

If I go this route then my budget for l/r speakers has decreased dramatically. So, what's the consensus here? Will I miss out by not going with a cc even in stereo mode?


Secondly, towers vs bookshelfs.

I'm back to Aperion audio 422 bookshelves so that I can upgrade to towers later in the year. However, I'm wondering if the output will be "good enough" having to cross the sub so high. Wonder even about throwing some more polyfill in the cabinet to allow lower extension, but at higher volumes I'd be concerned with 'speaker slap'.

If I don't go with the aperion's I'm looking at some Polk towers from Frys, since the reviews I've read say they are capable of some good 60+hz output, which would allow me to cross the sub lower.



Answer whichever you want. I'd really like any/all advice on these two issues.
 
Gimpy Ric

Gimpy Ric

Moderator
I bought the Polk's from Fry's, $49.00 each. More speakers is just what I need:rolleyes: But we will see if they can play when I get home next week.

As far as Aperion and mid bass, consider the 532 LR's, they cost more, but will go down to 80 hz +/- 3db.

Good Luck, and have FUN :)
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
I can give you a general answer regarding a center channel.
If you plan on watching movies, a matching center channel is essential for clear dialogue, and an even sound stage as it moves from left to right.
Back in the eighties I had a Kenwood 4 channel surround receiver, and always had trouble understanding the dialogue.
That is, until I bought a 5.1 receiver with a center channel.
As for your budget. Hold off getting a center for now, and save for the matching center.
 
ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
I bought the Polk's from Fry's, $49.00 each. More speakers is just what I need:rolleyes: But we will see if they can play when I get home next week.

As far as Aperion and mid bass, consider the 532 LR's, they cost more, but will go down to 80 hz +/- 3db.

Good Luck, and have FUN :)
The speakers will be a gift. But, what I had planned to do was take some extra $ after I received those and upgrade myself to the 532's.

I can give you a general answer regarding a center channel.
If you plan on watching movies, a matching center channel is essential for clear dialogue, and an even sound stage as it moves from left to right.
Back in the eighties I had a Kenwood 4 channel surround receiver, and always had trouble understanding the dialogue.
That is, until I bought a 5.1 receiver with a center channel.
As for your budget. Hold off getting a center for now, and save for the matching center.
But, is it necessary? I notice on some movies when watching through the TV's speakers it's hard to hear dialouge...I don't know if that's the movie or if it's the fact that my tv doesn't have a center channel. I've got a 7.1 receiver and since it has "stereo mode" I'm really curious if I still should invest in a center channel.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
I've got a 7.1 receiver and since it has "stereo mode" I'm really curious if I still should invest in a center channel.
I think that you'll be pleased with the addition of a center channel, but it's not necessary.

I have a 7.1 receiver, and I'm running 5.1 speakers (front l/r, rear l/r, center, and sub). Yesterday, I watched the movie "Next" with the full system on. Last night, I watched part of the movie in stereo because I was too lazy to get up and turn the surround amp and sub on (I'll spare you the details on why I have to do that). The DVD player was outputting the 5.1 DD bitstream, and my receiver was set to "Stereo" mode. The dialogue was very easy to understand and the movie sounded fine. Perhaps that is a function of my receiver or that movie, but you should at least try it out before you decide if you really need a center. That said, you know you want one. :)
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
Well, since my center amp was in the hospital the past 3 weeks I had a chance to watch a few movies using the phantom center. It was way worse than I thought it would be. You lose total seperation of the vocals and everything is just blaring out of the mains; you also lose the panning of sound between mains and center (Ratatoulli was a perfect example of this) I have a new appreciation of my ceneter channel now and would say...get the best one you possibly can.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Lord help me, I've been starting at speakers for 3 weeks+. I have yet to decide on what to buy and now I've got another concern regarding center channels.

I had planned to only go with a front L/R setup and subwoofer for tv/dvd/music in my 20x12 living room...hardwood floors.

I'm concerned that by doing this I will have limited myself in terms of dvd video. I have a Denon AVR-587 and had planned to switch it to stereo mode so that I won't run into any issues.

If I go this route then my budget for l/r speakers has decreased dramatically. So, what's the consensus here? Will I miss out by not going with a cc even in stereo mode?


Secondly, towers vs bookshelfs.

I'm back to Aperion audio 422 bookshelves so that I can upgrade to towers later in the year. However, I'm wondering if the output will be "good enough" having to cross the sub so high. Wonder even about throwing some more polyfill in the cabinet to allow lower extension, but at higher volumes I'd be concerned with 'speaker slap'.

If I don't go with the aperion's I'm looking at some Polk towers from Frys, since the reviews I've read say they are capable of some good 60+hz output, which would allow me to cross the sub lower.



Answer whichever you want. I'd really like any/all advice on these two issues.
I know I'm gonna get lynched for this but what the heck!! Live on the hedge I always say :) No, you don't need a center channel YET. I say yet because if you are just starting out and you want to build a good system and save for your speakers and buy only once, eliminate the center channel speaker from your purchase until you have enough money for a matching one. The money you save by delaying the center channel purchase will go directly to better quality left and right main speakers. If these L/R speakers image well, you will not miss the center channel. I've turned mine off before to see if I could tell the difference and only during the most busiet and crowded passages do I miss a little bit of clarity. Other than that, its clear sailing.

Towers vs bookshelves, well, thats a personal choice. I use my system for both music and HT. For music, I want a more integrated sound than I can get with a sub/bookshelf combo and for that I rely on tower speakers running full range. I don't like a sub for music. I rather the full range sound of my towers which will play down to mid to high 30s Hz which is low enough for most music.

As far as speaker choices go, audition as many as you can. Don't limit yourself to the choices you've made so far. Its not that they are bad or anything like that. Its just that by auditioning more speakers, the more sure you'll be with your selection once chosen. Good luck and let us know how you make out.
 
ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
Thanks for the feedback.

As for auditioning my only local shops are the big box stores (BB, CC, and HH). That's it.

The only non-big box store doesn't have anything on the floor...so I'm pretty much having to base everything off reviews.


I think that at this point I am going to try the Aperion's. They have great reviews, my wife thinks they look good and they have a 30day trial.


I'll post my comments later. Being an avid car audio enthusiast I've become really picky on components and output, however I have the luxury of an active processor for tuning... not so with the home setup. :(

I'm going to make another thread about speaker stands, so here's a link. What I'm wanting to know now is if I should order specifically a company's speaker stand or if any speaker stand will fit the bill.
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=337053#post337053
 
supervij

supervij

Audioholic General
Regarding the centre channel . . . are you the only person who's going to be watching DVDs and such? If so, then yes, the centre can wait a bit. But for anyone not sitting in the prime seated position, the dialogue will not sound like it's coming from the screen. Which doesn't sound so good, in my opinion.

cheers,
supervij
 
abefroeman

abefroeman

Audioholic
I am a cheap azz and I bought a 1980's stereo receiver to run my home theater on ebay for $80. All I have right now is a pair of towers and on some movies the dialogue is hard to hear and on others it is fine.

I know the benefit of a center, and it is huge, but that center channel would cost me the price of a 5.1+ receiver plus the center channel. Right now, that money is being allocated toward a sub that I am about ready to start building.

In your case, you already have the receiver, so all you have to do is buy the center. I think you should buy 3 bookshelf speakers for the L/C/R, then save up some money and get 2 towers and a center, and move the other speakers back to surrounds in a 6.1 system.
 
abefroeman

abefroeman

Audioholic
...on second thought, when you upgrade to the towers, don't buy the center and keep the 3rd bookshelf as the center. This will be only 5.1, but it will be cheaper and probably just as good as the 6.1 setup I mensioned earlier.
 
J

Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
I have found that I prefer not using a center speaker. The acoustic environment of a speaker on top of the TV is enough different that that of the mains that phantom center creates the illusion of the front 3 being more perfectly matched than is possible in reality. I also hear the dialog more clearly.
(I can do this because I always sit in the sweet spot. If you sit off-axis or have guests, you will need a center.)
 
ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
Wish I could've posted earlier but it seems as if the site was down...

This is where I am now.

I had all but paid for the av123 x-sls towers. Then I saw that shipping was an additional $85... that killed the deal for me. I figure if I'm going to spend that much money I might as well go ahead and get the Aperion 532's. But, then I'm right back to the beginning with having to buy a stand.

Honestly, I'm about fed up with all of this. I have no useful shops, I don't have a lot of wiggle room with my budget, but at the same time I want to get the most out of it (who doesn't).

Audio is supposed to be fun. I find myself getting more aggravated as time goes on.
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
I had all but paid for the av123 x-sls towers. Then I saw that shipping was an additional $85... that killed the deal for me. I figure if I'm going to spend that much money I might as well go ahead and get the Aperion 532's. But, then I'm right back to the beginning with having to buy a stand.

Honestly, I'm about fed up with all of this. I have no useful shops, I don't have a lot of wiggle room with my budget, but at the same time I want to get the most out of it (who doesn't).

Audio is supposed to be fun. I find myself getting more aggravated as time goes on.
Take it easy Erin. This is fun. :rolleyes: Once your system is up, and running you'll forget all about the little aggravating times.
 
ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
Take it easy Erin. This is fun. :rolleyes: Once your system is up, and running you'll forget all about the little aggravating times.
Yea. You're right.

I always get pumped up when I get new gear for my car stereo. Then about 30 minutes into fiberglass work or a completely dis-assembled car I get really angry at myself for not letting it be.

Sometimes I wish I didn't have this bug...or the knowledge that there is more to speakers than what is sold at the big box stores.
 
ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
mtm = sexy beast

sls = sexy



I think the sls would be fine. Hopefully I can work something out with those guys. If they would even do $300 shipped I would be okay with that.

I'll keep my fingers crossed. I might just buy the damn aperion's. Once again, back to where I was when I started.
 
Guiria

Guiria

Senior Audioholic
Regarding the centre channel . . . are you the only person who's going to be watching DVDs and such? If so, then yes, the centre can wait a bit. But for anyone not sitting in the prime seated position, the dialogue will not sound like it's coming from the screen. Which doesn't sound so good, in my opinion.

cheers,
supervij
I currently run 4.1 and the sweet spot is just fine. If I'm anywhere else, I wish I had a center channel.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Wish I could've posted earlier but it seems as if the site was down...

This is where I am now.

I had all but paid for the av123 x-sls towers. Then I saw that shipping was an additional $85... that killed the deal for me. I figure if I'm going to spend that much money I might as well go ahead and get the Aperion 532's. But, then I'm right back to the beginning with having to buy a stand.

Honestly, I'm about fed up with all of this. I have no useful shops, I don't have a lot of wiggle room with my budget, but at the same time I want to get the most out of it (who doesn't).

Audio is supposed to be fun. I find myself getting more aggravated as time goes on.
Where do you live if I may ask?
 

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