Thanks guys
Jamie/MDS~ I have been looking at ebay and local CL and have not seen anything very cheap perhaps I am looking for the wrong thing?
I have looked at a few receivers and none had a preout section?
TLS guy~ You make "garage system" sound dirty LOL
I figured it was a pretty good amp from looking (lifting

)at it and its manual has its birth sheet still in it and it says it will run at some pretty low impedances so I thought for $100 it would work great for my big speakers in the garage. I didn't figure a preamp would be to tough to find?
I will look around for one of the Quad units you recommended and have seen a Adcom unit with a tuner built in that might sell for reasonable.
Anyone else have any suggestions