2 Channel Amplifier

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manvill76

Enthusiast
Sir,

I have a Yamaha RX V2400 that I use primarily for watching DVD movies and TV programs.

I am not satisfied with the music performance of the RX V2400 and it seems that the sound is so thin and it lack bass whenever I listen to music sources and I am planning to acquire a 2 channel stereo amplifier that I will use solely for listening to music. How can I connect a 2 channel amplifier to my RX X2400 Yamaha A/V receiver? At the back of the receiver there are preouts for front,center,surround,surround back and subwoofer outputs.

Please help me on what kind of stereo receiver I have to purchase ?

Thank you.
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
what are your front left and right speakers?

the amplifier's inputs can be connected to the FRONT LEFT and FRONT RIGHT pre-outs of the 2400.

a good starting number for amps is 200wpc x 2 (Rotel = 1k USD)
 
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manvill76

Enthusiast
Sir,

My front left and right speakers is the Yamaha NS150 with an input power of 100W(nominal) and 300W(maximum) freq resp 40Hz-35kHz 89db/2.83V/m sensitivity 500Hz/2kHz crossover freq
 
Nomo

Nomo

Audioholic Samurai
Your problem isn't lack of amplification. It's those speakers. While they may suffice as surround or outdoor speakers they are very much lacking as mains.
Sorry. Don't bother with an amp at this time.
 
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manvill76

Enthusiast
Sir,

So, can you please advise what kind of speakers will match as mains for the Yamaha RX V2400? I want main speakers that is best for both movies and music for this kind of receiver.

Thank you.
 
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Nick250

Audioholic Samurai
manvill76 said:
Sir,

So, can you please advise what kind of speakers will match as mains for the Yamaha RX V2400? I want main speakers that is best for both movies and music for this kind of receiver.
Thank you.
To add to what Nomo said, what you hear in your listening room is mostly determined by speaker choice and room acoustics, so there are many many speakers to pick from. Let's narrow it down some. What is your budget for new main speakers and do you have a sub and if you do what is the name and model number please.

Nick
 
tomd51

tomd51

Audioholic General
I'd say the 2400 should produce a decent enough 2 channel signal for music, so it's either the speakers (most likely culprit for the "thin" and lack of bass problem) or if you're not using a sub coupled with them, they likely cannot reproduce a strong, clean signal much below 60Hz, regardless of the specifications.

As mike c mentioned, if you're not using a subwoofer, I would strongly consider this whether or not you replace your main speakers as it will not only improve your music reproduction with these speakers, it will greatly improve movie soundtrack reproduction as there's tons of LFE (low frequency effects) in many movies. If you do have a subwoofer in your setup, it may either need to be configured and calibrated properly in your system or it may be insufficient for your needs. Assuming you have one, let us know as Nick mentioned what manufacturer and model number it is.

If you are weighing the speaker upgrade option, consider your left and right mains should timbre match the center for movie/multichannel music purposes. With this in mind, speaker preference is very subjective, meaning what speaker characteristics one enjoys another may not, so this makes it a bit difficult to blindly suggest speaker options.

If you are located in the US, a couple of online manufacturers offer some excellent options for the money. A couple of these you may want to consider would be M3s or M22s from Axiom Audio, CBM-170 SEs from Ascend Acoustics and AV123's x-ls X-series speakers. All three of these are some impressive bookshelf speakers that, when couple with a solid subwoofer, will give you great performance with music and movies without breaking the bank. If you're more inclined towards tower speakers, the Axiom M60s have had great feedback from several people. Ascend's 340 series, while technically not towers, are close to full range speakers and provide a similar sound stage and AV123 will be releasing within the near future some of the x-ls speakers in a tower form factor for a very impressive price as well.

I believe all three of these companies offer 30-45 day money back guarantees (less shipping) on their products, so you'd be able to demo these in your own listening environment giving you a good idea as to whether they're for you or not. If you're not in the states, let us know where and we might be able to suggest some simiilar offerings. If you know of some other speaker manufacturers that you are familiar with that you enjoy the sound of, we can possibly suggest some places to find good deals on them or similar sounding speakers. Some budget limitations and size of the listening area will also help us in suggestions if you are considering new mains... -TD
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
That receiver should be plenty for those towers. I wouldn't expect a bunch of bass from dual 6.5" woofers, but there should be some punch. Are your towers near a corner or up against a wall? Try experimenting with different locations. The closer to a corner, the more bass you'll realize. 6 ohm 89dB speakers are demanding, but even with an outboard amplifier, there are diminishing returns on small drivers and bass.

Now, for movies, you really need a dedicated subwoofer rather than an amp. Don't skimp on a subwoofer. You definitely get what you pay for, and depending on where you live, may find some very good deals for under $500 US.
 
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manvill76

Enthusiast
Sir,

Yes I do have a subwoofer. In fact I have 2 subs - a Yamaha YST SW315 and a Jamo E6 Sub. My subs are located near my front left and right speakers and my mains are about 2 feet away from the back wall. My system really sound great for movies and tv programs. But whenever I pop in a music cd into my dvd player there is a great difference in sound as compared to the sound of movies. Is it because music cd's are only analog and not digital as compared to dvds? I have also calibrated my speakers using the YPAO settings and a dvd calibration disc like Sound & Vision and Avia discs.
 
Resident Loser

Resident Loser

Senior Audioholic
Hmmmm...

manvill76 said:
But whenever I pop in a music cd into my dvd player there is a great difference in sound as compared to the sound of movies. Is it because music cd's are only analog and not digital as compared to dvds? I have also calibrated my speakers using the YPAO settings and a dvd calibration disc like Sound & Vision and Avia discs.
'Great Difference"...can you characterize this? Tone? Volume? What sort of music do you listen to? You do realize that movie sound and music sound should be somewhat different...Movies are all LFEs...boom and sizzle...it's the whole experience...some music just is not engineered to the same end..."flat" (or EQd) response is flat response regardless of the source...

jimHJJ(...BTW, all "digital" sound becomes analog at some point...)
 
tomd51

tomd51

Audioholic General
manvill76 said:
Is it because music cd's are only analog and not digital as compared to dvds?
These two should provide you with enough punch and low end for two channel listening, whether it's CD or multichannel music. Without going into too much geektail, DVDs as well as multichannel (MC) music sources (DVD-A and SACD) will likely sound much better as the CD source is encoded at a much lower rate than DTS/Dolby Digital and MC sources. The DVD and MC sources will have much better dynamics and separation.

I, also, wasn't quite happy with my last set of towers for 2 channel CD listening, so I had to upgrade to my current mains. My previous ones did great for movies and very well on multichannel music (DTS DVDs, DVD-As and SACDs), but for anything where the source was CD or CD quality, it was rather lifeless. This may be the same case for you, but I'd make sure you exhaust all less expensive avenues before such a substantial upgrade.
manvill76 said:
I have also calibrated my speakers using the YPAO settings and a dvd calibration disc like Sound & Vision and Avia discs.
I found the YPAO worked good for somethings, not so good for everything on my RX-V2500. The YPAO almost always sets the crossover level too agressively (200Hz in my case), so you may want to bump the crossover setting down to 80Hz or so if this is the case in your setup. Other than that, it should be calibrated and it's likely your mains that are giving you the lackluster performance... -TD
 
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Nick250

Audioholic Samurai
Also, a lot of CDs are poorly mastered with little dynamic range. They will sound crappy on just about any system. Keep this in mind. "Riding with The King" with BB & Eric seems pretty well mastered if you want a test disc.

Nick
 
tomd51

tomd51

Audioholic General
Good point, Nick. Steely Dan also has several CDs that should sound well. Couple of others that come to mind are Peter Gabriel's "So" and Sting's "Ten Summoner's Tales"... -TD
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
perhaps when listening to music your subwoofers are disabled ... "direct stereo" perhaps?

buckeye, the OP's speakers only have dual 5"ers ... but still, other people use smaller bookshelves with single 5"ers. perhaps old age has gotten to one of the drivers? (which might only be apparent when listening to music and not to movies?)
 
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