1080p: Mitsu WD62628 vs. Samsung HLR6178

[LikeABanshee]

1080p: Mitsubishi vs. Samsung vs. Toshiba

Does anyone have any experience with the 1080p 628 series Mitsubishis or the 62MX195 Toshiba? I am looking for an opinion on how they stack up to the Samsungs as far as picture quality - I can't find a brick and mortar stocking them. They are comparatively priced, and the features are just about the same. I don't think the Toshibas have shipped yet, but I added it just in case.

Mitsu:
http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/televisions/details.asp?id=191

Sammy:
http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=HLR6178WX/XAA

Any comments appreciated. Thanks.

 

[RLA]

Hello
Just returned from CEDIA I was able to view all the 1080p DPL's
All of the Mitsubishi's looked very good .The Samsungs did not look good at all FPN,horizontal banding were just a few of the problem's I saw on the Samsung.

 

[Duffinator]

Keep in mind that not only has Mitsubishi been making CRT based RPTV's almost longer than anyone they have also been making DLP RPTV's longer than anyone. It's hard to beat the quality of a Mitsubishi so when in doubt choose the Mitsubishi. I've looked at the Samsung 1080P set a few times and it looked great but I don't have the inside scoop like Ray.

 

[zepaholic]

Hello
Just returned from CEDIA I was able to view all the 1080p DPL's
All of the Mitsubishi's looked very good .The Samsungs did not look good at all FPN,horizontal banding were just a few of the problem's I saw on the Samsung.

Could you possibly give more details, I just bought the Sam. 5078 and still have time to exchange it. What is FPN? Did you see the new Sony KDS-R50XBR1 or the 60 (SXRD). If so how did they look compared to the Mits. and Sam.

 

[RLA]

I am trying to get information out as soon as I can but I am way behind in my Install business and won’t be able to give details. Basically All Toshiba’s, Sony’s and Samsungs were under whelming.

The Mitsubishi had one of the best images at the show
This may be attributed to the source but I saw what I saw
FPN= Fixed Pattern Noise They also suffered from MPEG artifacting

If the manufactures cant properly set up their display devices at these shows that is tough luck for them because I am going to report what I viewed

 

[LikeABanshee]

RLA, Speaking on behalf of everyone, your input (along with everyone elses) is very appreciated.
Sometimes people forget these boards are populated by people following their passion, not looking for a payment.

Now back to business:
Its "disappointing" that the Mitsus have the best picture, but not the best features on the standard series - no 15-pin vga input?

Sure makes the new 927 diamond series look good.
http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/televisions/details.asp?id=195

 

[Duffinator]

IMO one of the key items with any RPTV purchase is having an anti-glare screen. The 927 has it. If you have lots of ambient light in your room moving up in price will be well worth the cost over the life of the set.

 

[BLOWZO]

Hey fellas I just went down to Magnolia Audio and Video, and they had the new Samsung, Mitsu, and Sony Right next to each other 1080P (minus the Sony) I was staring at these for literally 2.5 hours. Playing with the features, looking at turnon time, everything. This is what I came up with....

You are going to be happy with either. Pick the one that fits you the best FEATURES wise...

Mitsu you can adjust all color levels.. This was awesome. Lets say your watching HD Football, and the grass is just looking dirty, or to bright, you can adjust just the grass. Or there shirts are to bright, you can adjust the color of there shirts... This was seriosly awesome.

Mitsu also has a 9-1 card reader in the front, so no matter what kind of stick, you and your friends camera, and or camcorder it can all be hooked up to your tv and watching a slide show of your pics within 15 seconds.

Mitsu also has 2 DMI slot in back. This is huge if you plan on purchasing the new XBOX360. All there games are in HD and most will be 1080 after the new year. So all games will be made for your TV, and will need an extra HD input, unless you want to run COAX HD lines in. (not I says me....hehehehe)

Samsung ... has a cleaner more beautiful look about it though, that is certain. It has that grey, with shiney black. So when you are intertaining friends and family, even if that GIGANTIC TV is not on it will still look cool, unlike the matt black of the Mitsu.


I was org. going to go with the Sony LCD because lets face it, SONY is the shizznit! and I love the fibrant colors that the LCD put out. Then I saw the DLP of Samsung with the 1080P, i instantly switched to that, knowing that EVERYTHING is going to this format by the end of 2006 (by law) However I just saw the Mitsu and well I am debating between the 2 (samsung, and the Mitsu 1080P) I think i will at the end purchase the mitsu.

my .02 cents for ya

hope it helps

 

[Hanse18]

I was org. going to go with the Sony LCD because lets face it, SONY is the shizznit! and I love the fibrant colors that the LCD put out. Then I saw the DLP of Samsung with the 1080P, i instantly switched to that, knowing that EVERYTHING is going to this format by the end of 2006 (by law)

which format? If I am not mistaken, the only "law" out there right now is that all broadcasts need to be digital by 2006. This has nothing to do with hdtv, since basic digital is still 480i. There is still no confirmed date of when HD will be required, by my cable company said at least 2010, and even then I wouldn't be surprised if the requirement was 1080i / 720p. Maybe I have been misinformed, but then again, maybe you are just trying to justify spending $5,000 on a TV... the world may never know.

 

[BLOWZO]

which format? If I am not mistaken, the only "law" out there right now is that all broadcasts need to be digital by 2006. This has nothing to do with hdtv, since basic digital is still 480i. There is still no confirmed date of when HD will be required, by my cable company said at least 2010, and even then I wouldn't be surprised if the requirement was 1080i / 720p. Maybe I have been misinformed, but then again, maybe you are just trying to justify spending $5,000 on a TV... the world may never know.

I was refering to The law by the FCC is all Channels must be HD by the end of 2006. If they are not they will be heavly fined. DTV has already launched there 2 satelites to get ready for this. (i actually watched the launch it was out of Long Beach, CA Harbor.)

Now this does not mean that that all shows will be, however all channels will be, so this means that shows, and networks will be fighting to get there shows in HD so you watch them, and there Nielson ratings grow. Eventually all shows will be HD except the shows that nobody watches.

Also keep in mind that the standard of the DVD format, along with HD is going to 1080P with the Blue Tech. by Sony or the HDDVD from Toshiba (aka Microsoft, aka Panisonic)

Even the XBOX360 games will be made in full HD.

 

[tdeluce]

Eventually all shows will be HD except the shows that nobody watches.

If nobody watches them why are they showing them?

 

[zepaholic]

Sxrd

I am trying to get information out as soon as I can but I am way behind in my Install business and won’t be able to give details. Basically All Toshiba’s, Sony’s and Samsungs were under whelming.

The Mitsubishi had one of the best images at the show
This may be attributed to the source but I saw what I saw
FPN= Fixed Pattern Noise They also suffered from MPEG artifacting

If the manufactures cant properly set up their display devices at these shows that is tough luck for them because I am going to report what I viewed

RLA, Given the technoligy in these new Sony's (SXRD) do you think they would be subject to the same problems as the Sammys ( FPN and MPEG artifacting). Iam interested in the KDS-R50XBR1. Also have you seen are heard anything about the HP MD5880n DLP. Had a great review in S&V mag.

 

[BLOWZO]

RLA, Given the technoligy in these new Sony's (SXRD) do you think they would be subject to the same problems as the Sammys ( FPN and MPEG artifacting). Iam interested in the KDS-R50XBR1. Also have you seen are heard anything about the HP MD5880n DLP. Had a great review in S&V mag.

what does this all mean exactley? When will I see this problem you are speaking of? What should I be looking out for to insure this does not happen, or rather I purchase a tv with less chance of these problems?

also if you click here,
http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1985-x-x-x?tag=boxcar_all_features_image
you will see an article that has nothing to do with what we are talking about, however the opening paragraph has a very interesting view of "over tech" or "TMI" (to much info) is this the same, or is this important to look into.

It says this
again they are talking about gaming consoles, but the theory is what I am refering to.

Which Numbers Are Meaningful?
However, whenever you look at console technical specs, you also have to take them with a whole truckload of salt since the game console market has a long history of making a big deal out of numbers that don't really matter, or even making up numbers that have a tenuous grasp on reality. Remember the internal data precision arguments? That specification measurement became useless fairly quickly once marketing departments start adding different specification numbers together to get up into 64-bit or 128-bit range (OK, Turbografix started doing it back when we were still in the 16-bit era).

Thanks in advance.

BLOWZO

 

[LikeABanshee]

So, I finally got to see the 1080p offerings from Mitsu (628) and Samsung (6168), and I am still undecided.
Went to ABT electronics north of Chicago, and they have both sets on the floor. Check this place out if you are in the area - good place for research, but don't count on the salesmen.

The Samsung only had a 1080i HDNet sat signal feeding it (through component). This did look good, but I was hoping for a 1080p signal or to play some DVDs. I can't give a good review of this for this reason.

The Mitsu was given a star's treatment with a Denon 3910 dvd player upconverted to 1080i through hdmi and best of all an AVHDD (Insignita? make) streaming a 1080p demo through IEEE 1394.
Side note: the TV was not calibrated by any means. The brightness was cranked all the way up fading out the pic - I reset to default and lowered the brighness and it looked much better.

The 1080p was just awesome - the kind of picture dreams are made of. Nothing bad to say. I can't wait for hd-dvd/bd-rom - they are going to absolutely rock.

1080i WTTW over local antenna also looked very good - I didn't spend much time with this.

DVD: Those fools had a DTS demo disk playing in the dvd player which was obviously there for just the sound. Luckily I remembered the advice of others on this board and brought my own source. First up was the Incredibles, which I chose for the vibrant colors and fast animation. Looked great. I saw no artifacts or RBE. The colors were very faithful - contrast on the brights and darks seemed very good. Next disk was Clone Wars, which is a crappy movie, but I like it for color contrast and particle effects. For the color contrast I was looking at light sabres versus dull dirty backgrounds - they stood out and looked great and did not bleed into the background. Particles (dust and explosions) also looked great - no noticeable artifacting. The digital nature of the movie was much more apparent - you can easily tell where most green screen items were inserted. It was like the characters were card board cut-outs.

Tilt factors:
Remotes are a toss-up. I'd drop both for a good universal.

Physical appearance - Samsung hands down. The Mitsu doesn't look bad, but I just don't like the matte black- not to mention I would have to dust it more often.

Inputs: Samsung again - I want that 1080p 15-pin PC input.

NTSC 480i transmissions - Mitsu handles them better, but it isn't a deciding factor for me. I think the source was comcast cable.

So like I said before I am still undecided. Can a WinXP machine output video over firewire?
Any other comments or questions?

BTW: the $13000 70" Sony Qualia 1080p was on the floor also - jaw dropping, but more like $6000 jaw dropping.

 

[BLOWZO]

So, I finally got to see the 1080p offerings from Mitsu (628) and Samsung (6168), and I am still undecided.
Went to ABT electronics north of Chicago, and they have both sets on the floor. Check this place out if you are in the area - good place for research, but don't count on the salesmen.

The Samsung only had a 1080i HDNet sat signal feeding it (through component). This did look good, but I was hoping for a 1080p signal or to play some DVDs. I can't give a good review of this for this reason.

The Mitsu was given a star's treatment with a Denon 3910 dvd player upconverted to 1080i through hdmi and best of all an AVHDD (Insignita? make) streaming a 1080p demo through IEEE 1394.
Side note: the TV was not calibrated by any means. The brightness was cranked all the way up fading out the pic - I reset to default and lowered the brighness and it looked much better.

The 1080p was just awesome - the kind of picture dreams are made of. Nothing bad to say. I can't wait for hd-dvd/bd-rom - they are going to absolutely rock.

1080i WTTW over local antenna also looked very good - I didn't spend much time with this.

DVD: Those fools had a DTS demo disk playing in the dvd player which was obviously there for just the sound. Luckily I remembered the advice of others on this board and brought my own source. First up was the Incredibles, which I chose for the vibrant colors and fast animation. Looked great. I saw no artifacts or RBE. The colors were very faithful - contrast on the brights and darks seemed very good. Next disk was Clone Wars, which is a crappy movie, but I like it for color contrast and particle effects. For the color contrast I was looking at light sabres versus dull dirty backgrounds - they stood out and looked great and did not bleed into the background. Particles (dust and explosions) also looked great - no noticeable artifacting. The digital nature of the movie was much more apparent - you can easily tell where most green screen items were inserted. It was like the characters were card board cut-outs.

Tilt factors:
Remotes are a toss-up. I'd drop both for a good universal.

Physical appearance - Samsung hands down. The Mitsu doesn't look bad, but I just don't like the matte black- not to mention I would have to dust it more often.

Inputs: Samsung again - I want that 1080p 15-pin PC input.

NTSC 480i transmissions - Mitsu handles them better, but it isn't a deciding factor for me. I think the source was comcast cable.

So like I said before I am still undecided. Can a WinXP machine output video over firewire?
Any other comments or questions?

BTW: the $13000 70" Sony Qualia 1080p was on the floor also - jaw dropping, but more like $6000 jaw dropping.

If color is the only issue, you can choose to get the wd-62627 (not the 8)

The Mitsu has 2 HDMI slots where the Sammy only has 1

Full specs MITSU
General
Product type Projection TV - Color
Technology Projection DLP
Diagonal size 62 in
Image aspect ratio 16:9

HDTV compatible Yes
Video System
Resolution 1920 x 1080
Television Features
Additional features On-screen menu, Contrast enhancer, Black level expander
Tuner / Channel Details
Tuner type (qty) , HDTV


Electronic program guide Digital EPG
Remote Control
Remote control Remote control (Infrared)
Connections / Cables / Slots
Input/Output connections SPDIF output, 2 x HDMI, 3 x Component video input, IEEE 1394 (FireWire/i.LINK)

Slot(s) provided CableCARD

Full specs SAMMY
General
Product type Projection TV - Color
Technology Projection DLP
Diagonal size 61 in

Image aspect ratio 16:9

HDTV compatible Yes
Video System
Resolution 1920 x 1080
Comb filter 3-line digital
Image contrast ratio 5000:1
Audio System
Audio system sound output mode Stereo

Surround sound effects SRS TruSurround XT

Total output power 60 Watt

Speakers included 2 speakers
Television Features
Additional features On-screen menu, 3:2 pulldown compensation, DNIe (Digital Natural Image engine)
Tuner / Channel Details
Tuner type (qty) Standard TV (2)

TV tuner multi-channel preview Split screen, Picture-in-picture (PIP)
Remote Control
Remote control Remote control (Infrared)
Connections / Cables / Slots
Input/Output connections 1 x SPDIF output (TOS Link) - Rear, 2 x RF input (F connector) - Rear, 1 x S-Video input (4 pin mini-DIN) - Side, 1 x Composite video/audio input (RCA phono x 3) - Side, 2 x Composite video/audio input (RCA phono x 3) - Rear, 2 x S-Video input (4 pin mini-DIN) - Rear, 1 x Composite video/audio output (RCA phono x 3) - Rear, 1 x Audio line-in (RCA phono x 2) - Rear, 1 x HDMI (19 pin HDMI Type A) - Rear, 2 x IEEE 1394 (FireWire/i.LINK) - Rear

Slot(s) provided CableCARD
Power
Power device Power supply -






If we both have seen both TV's and both of us have seen how F'n Awesome the Mitsu's picture is on HD, and REG tv why are we still both debating. What is it about the Mitsu, that we both will not pull the trigger on?
Is it the money difference?
Is it that every other Mitsu until now IMO has sucked balls
Is it that this is the first Samusung that you ever even looked twice at.
Is it that Sammy is in there 6th Gen chip?

WHAT IS IT???????? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Why can i not just buy the Mitsu?

here is a great article i read

Upside: All TVs in the WD-627/628/727 series have an ATSC tuner and a CableCard slot, enabling them to receive HDTV without additional tuner boxes. All the models feature a high native resolution of 1,920x1,080, which means they should be able to display all the detail of 1080i material. These TVs also feature the TV Guide On-Screen EPG, which provides free TV listing information. Their connectivity is highlighted by two HDMI ports, three FireWire ports, a digital-audio output (coaxial), three component-video inputs, and three A/V inputs. There are also some nice extras, such as a fully illuminated remote and a nine-format memory card reader.

The 628 models and the WD-73727 models are step-ups to the less-expensive 627 models, with different styling, some extra video-processing options, and an included digital audio cable.

Downside: The Mitsubishi DLPs are still a little more costly than comparable 1080p Samsung models such as the HL-R68W series and the HL-R87W/88W series. The entire Mitsubishi WD-627/628/727 series lacks a PC input, which might disappoint those looking to surf the Web on their big screen. And although we haven't reviewed any of these sets, some people may see rainbow effects due to the spinning color wheels present in all single-chip DLPs.

Outlook: The 627/628/727 1080p DLPs are more expensive than Mitsubishi's 720p LCD-based sets and will probably be less popular as a result. Since the Mitsubishis also cost more than the Samsungs, we expect Samsung to maintain its position as the most-popular DLP manufacturer of 2005. Last year's WD-52525 was a performer on a par with Samsung's best, however, and with the new 1080p chips on deck, anything can happen. We'll update this preview when we publish a hands-on review.

 

[LikeABanshee]

The samsung (R6168W and R6178W) both have 2 hdmi inputs as well as a 10,000:1 contrast.

I should have either the Samsung or Mitsu purchased by the end of the day Sunday. I have a connection that can possibly get me a discount. I will probably get the cheaper set. I don't think I will be disappointed with either, but they do have a free exchange program.
I will post results and follow that with a review in a couple of days - assuming I can pull the trigger when I find out the discounted price.

 

[Duffinator]

I don't think I will be disappointed with either....

That's for sure. I look forward to hearing what you think of your new set when you get it. BTW, what are you upgrading from?

 

[LikeABanshee]

And the winner is...
Mitsubishi 62" 1080p DLP. $150 more than the Sammy.
Upgrading from 27" Panasonic CRT.

Added Oppo Digital DVD player and AVIA.

I will post an informal review of both in the reviews forum in the next week or two.

 

[BLOWZO]

check this out felllas

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1488055&CatId=0

Price: $2599.99