1-bit, 16-bit, 18-bit...DACs

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nm2285

Senior Audioholic
I see a lot of new CD players (and most new DVD players) offer 20 or 24-bit DACs. I'm looking into used CD players and a lot of those use 1-bit DACs. I also see 1-bit DACs in a lot of portables. What are the differences among the different types of DACs? Is one better than the rest? Does one SOUND better than the rest?

Thanks all
 
Francious70

Francious70

Senior Audioholic
The best rule of thumb for audio is the higher bit-rate of the DAC the better the sound.

Paul
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
Well, I can't help but start with a question... how deep of a discussion would you like to have? Discussions of DAC trade-offs get into some math and implementation issues pretty quickly.

The 1-bit DACs you refer to were the first DACs using a design called bit-stream "delta-sigma" modulation. This was an improvement over the previous word-parallel, pulse width modulation devices, as the DSM converters exhibit greater linearity at low signal levels. The old PWM devices required extreme implementation precision to achieve what's called monotonicity relative to the original analog signal, which is nothing more than a fancy way of saying that a -60.4db analog signal convertered to digital needs to re-emerge as a -60.4db analog signal after conversion, not -68db or -55db. One way around perfect precision in PWM devices was to increase the word length, to say 18bits, and push a 16bit data stream through them using the only the most significant bits. This trick increased linearity, but in the end it's just easier to use the DSM technique, and that's what every modern DAC device I'm aware of uses. Is all that as clear as mud?

It is confusing is to keep the parallelism in the internal DAC architecture, which is measured in bits, separate from the word length used to describe the amplitude range of the bit stream. The old 18 or 20bit PWM DACs did only 16bit/44KHz or 16bit/48KHz data streams. New DACs, which are almost all variations on DSMs, don't really talk about their internal architecture any longer. A 24bit/192KHz DAC simply says it is capable of converting a data stream with up to 192K samples of up to 24bit-wide words to describe the amplitude of the signal at each frequency.

If you want the specifics we could discuss it, but oversampling factors into this too, because the higher the sampling frequency the easier it is to perform the filtering necessary to eliminate the quantization/conversion noises that are a natural result of the algorithms. Oversampling does not increase the amount of unique information in the data stream, it allows better noise filtering. Some people would argue that the majority of the audible differences between DACs are due to the filtering strategies. Filtering is another massive mathematically interesting field if you want a deep discussion.

The newest DACs are multi-bit DSMs. Personally, I'm to the point where I think the analog amp sections of CD/SACD/DVD players have a whole lot more to do with sound quality than the DAC. Also, given how fast the technology evolution has been I would not consider used low-to-midrange digital equipment in a high quality audio system. That's just me, but unless you're talking some relatively high-end thing, like an old Sony 707ESD that you can now buy for $300, I'd just buy something new for $300. The old $2K 707 Sony may sound better than a new $300 Sony, but that's probably because the analog section has a better power supply and/or op-amp to pump out 2V into 10Kohms or so to the pre-amp or amp. I have seen some real bargains in used high end digital, but unless you have a high end audio system you probably won't hear the differences, or not at all.

To answer your bottom-line question, IMO the newest DACs sound the best, but the sound of a CD player is probably more determined by the analog circuitry than the digital circuitry. Again, IMO.
 
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nm2285

Senior Audioholic
Thanks for the comprehensive response...I'll have to wait till I'm awake enough to translate it.
 
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nm2285

Senior Audioholic
K, I think I understand it. What parts of the analog circuitry affect the sound significantly? Any statistics I should be looking for in those sections?
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
My point wasn't necessarily that a layman should start shopping for CD players by the analog section or the power supply quality, because that would be impractical. My point was simply that DAC ICs have become so good that the differences between them are smaller, IMO, than those between the analog section implementations.

I recommend trying to listen to *any* component in your home system before buying it. Most will sound fine, but if you make a mistake it might not be easy to undo the transaction. I found this out the hard way with a Samsung HD841. It's video quality is great, but as a CD/SACD player it is terrible. After 30min I have the urge to turn it off. Since it functions fine I can't return it. Anyway, the store would think I was nuts, and maybe I am. :)

Digital components all seem to have such similar specs I don't think you can make a value judgement about them just by the specs. Some people think all digital components sound alike, but I don't. That HD841 does not sound as good as my Levinson #39, and I don't care what the specs say. I'm not saying the difference can't be measured, because I believe it can, it's just that the difference is not discernable from the published specs. And in theory, the Samsung has a better DAC.
 
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