How close are we to WWIII?

[pewternhrata]

And, if we're talking about WWIII, at some point, when one side is on the verge of collapsing, it will go nuclear. Then, everyone has lost, including Switzerland.

This thread is about ww3, a yr and half later yall are still posting about nuclear end of the world, im just sitting back enjoying my music while the nut jobs continue to pass and argue conspiracy. Btw cameron whitcomb is a fun listen, oliver anthony- rich men north; its great

 

[lovinthehd]

This thread is about ww3, a yr and half later yall are still posting about nuclear end of the world, im just sitting back enjoying my music while the nut jobs continue to pass and argue conspiracy. Btw cameron whitcomb is a fun listen, oliver anthony- rich men north; its great

So in your world if it takes longer than a year and a half it's just not a concern?

 

[pewternhrata]

So in your world if it takes longer than a year and a half it's just not a concern?

In your world, if it doesn't happen you won't be happy.

 

[lovinthehd]

In your world, if it doesn't happen you won't be happy.

Of course not, that's ridiculous. Like your other post....

 

[Nondemo01]

That's a good question. If Switzerland is safer in the event of WWIII, seems like they're in better shape spending only $7B on defense. What spending nearly $1T on defense suggests is the country has nothing else to offer. That's one philosophy and works to some extent, but as Vietnam showed, it didn't really matter in the end. And as the Strait of Hormuz shows, not all problems have a military solution.

Vietnam was 50 years ago. Zero relevancy to our military today. Nothing else to offer? America leads the world in philanthropy, higher education, medical research, technological advancements... Straight of Hormuz is not as relevant as the "news" would have you believe. Pretty sure American's traveled on Memorial Day just like every other year. Did we complain about the gas prices? Of course. That's something we also do better than other countries: being hypocrites. I've said it once, I'll say it 100 times, turn off the rage baiting "news", put on some music, and live your life. Worry about the love of your family. Worrying about WWIII is a waste of the precious time you have on this planet.

 

[lovinthehd]

Vietnam was 50 years ago. Zero relevancy to our military today. Nothing else to offer? America leads the world in philanthropy, higher education, medical research, technological advancements... Straight of Hormuz is not as relevant as the "news" would have you believe. Pretty sure American's traveled on Memorial Day just like every other year. Did we complain about the gas prices? Of course. That's something we also do better than other countries: being hypocrites. I've said it once, I'll say it 100 times, turn off the rage baiting "news", put on some music, and live your life. Worry about the love of your family. Worrying about WWIII is a waste of the precious time you have on this planet.

Might want to take away the philanthopy, higher education and medical research and technological advancements under drumphy, as that's just not what he setup.

 

[GO-NAD!]

This thread is about ww3, a yr and half later yall are still posting about nuclear end of the world, im just sitting back enjoying my music while the nut jobs continue to pass and argue conspiracy. Btw cameron whitcomb is a fun listen, oliver anthony- rich men north; its great

WWII didn't happen overnight. Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931, the rest of China in 1937. Germany re-occupied the Saarland in 1935, the Rhineland in 1936, Austria and the Sudetenland in 1938. Italy invaded Ethiopia in 1935. Hitler thought he could get away with invading Poland (Sept 1st, 1939) without triggering a response from Britain and France. He was wrong, because on Sept 3rd, they both declared war in defence of Poland.

While generally accepted as the 'official' start of WWII, that date is pretty arbitrary. Conflict was ongoing before then and continued to spread afterwards.

Two weeks later, the USSR also invaded Poland. In November, they also invaded Finland. It just kept on expanding from there.

NOBODY in this thread has suggested that WWIII is about to start. On the other hand, maybe it has already started - we just don't know it yet.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Predicting we will not see $3 a gallon for a year.

 

[rnatalli]

Vietnam was 50 years ago. Zero relevancy to our military today.

Vietnam, Afghanistan, Ukraine, etc. Point is, a large and powerful military doesn't guarantee victory. History has repeatedly shown this.

Nothing else to offer? America leads the world in philanthropy, higher education, medical research, technological advancements.

One has to look deeper; take philanthropy as an easy example. The U.S. leads in terms of absolute dollars, but when measured properly taking into account percent of GDP, labor donation, etc., America doesn't even make the top 20. A country with 5% the population and roughly a quarter of the world's wealth complaining of unfair treatment doesn't sound very philanthropic.

I've said it once, I'll say it 100 times, turn off the rage baiting "news", put on some music, and live your life. Worry about the love of your family. Worrying about WWIII is a waste of the precious time you have on this planet.

If you wish to turn off the news, that's your prerogative, but don't be inclined to tell me how to live my life. And yes, as a family man with young children, I worry about someone doing something stupid, that's my prerogative.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Predicting we will not see $3 a gallon for a year.

If ever.

 

[pewternhrata]

Might want to take away the philanthopy, higher education and medical research and technological advancements under drumphy, as that's just not what he setup.

Might want to look into others aside from trump.

Philanthropy; warren buffet for a quick example. Donor lists are only growing.

Higher education, um yes hence other nationalities/countries coming to the states for a higher education. The ties in the education system that let's individuals travel abroad focus on R&D

Medical research is huge in the US, cleveland clinic, st John's, UH and so on...

your favorite president to hate has nothing to do with the nonsense you propagate

 

[Dude#1279435]

your favorite president to hate has nothing to do with the nonsense you propagate

I'm not sure where you've been the last 10 years, but Trump has largely earned that title on his own.

 

[Nondemo01]

Vietnam, Afghanistan, Ukraine, etc. Point is, a large and powerful military doesn't guarantee victory. History has repeatedly shown this.



One has to look deeper; take philanthropy as an easy example. The U.S. leads in terms of absolute dollars, but when measured properly taking into account percent of GDP, labor donation, etc., America doesn't even make the top 20. A country with 5% the population and roughly a quarter of the world's wealth complaining of unfair treatment doesn't sound very philanthropic.



If you wish to turn off the news, that's your prerogative, but don't be inclined to tell me how to live my life. And yes, as a family man with young children, I worry about someone doing something stupid, that's my prerogative.

You’re arguing political outcomes, not battlefield capability. Vietnam and Afghanistan are examples of winning tactically while failing strategically. Those are not the same thing.

Ukraine is also a bad example for your point. Ukraine is well-trained, technologically adaptive, heavily supported, and has exposed Russia as far less capable than advertised. That says more about Russia being a paper tiger than it does about raw military power being irrelevant.

Same with philanthropy. You moved from absolute giving to a different measurement system that includes GDP share, volunteering, and other factors. That may be a valid discussion, but it is not the same claim.

I’m saying your examples don’t prove what you think they prove.

And nobody is telling you how to live your life, that’s your business. Perhaps more "diet and exercise are good for you."

 

[Dude#1279435]

I thought this was pretty good because it covers a fair amount of ground including Israel/Hezbollah etc. The three points: continue bombing, blockade, or leave and Trump faces humiliation. He's an ultra narcissist IMO so..... Toward the end one neocon stated this will go down as America's worst foreign policy mistake, even surpassing Iraq 2003 easily. I really don't think these people understand Iran: they are not a pushover like Venezuela. They want us to feel the consequences even if it means their people feeling the consequences. The radical part of the country loves death more than life. Anyway, I thought putting them in that context is 'better worse than better' example.

 

[Nondemo01]

I thought this was pretty good because it covers a fair amount of ground including Israel/Hezbollah etc. The three points: continue bombing, blockade, or leave and Trump faces humiliation. He's an ultra narcissist IMO so..... Toward the end one neocon stated this will go down as America's worst foreign policy mistake, even surpassing Iraq 2003 easily. I really don't think these people understand Iran: they are not a pushover like Venezuela. They want us to feel the consequences even if it means their people feeling the consequences. The radical part of the country loves death more than life. Anyway, I thought putting them in that context is 'better worse than better' example.

I watched all 26:28 seconds and basically, he argues that the POTUS will cave to international pressure over international impacts to economies. Good luck with that.

 

[Dude#1279435]

I watched all 26:28 seconds and basically, he argues that the POTUS will cave to international pressure over international impacts to economies. Good luck with that.

I see. Trump's in the driver's seat and has it all under control.

 

[Nondemo01]

I see. Trump's in the driver's seat and has it all under control.

Well, to answer the first part of (I think) your facetious response: yes. In the video you shared, the commentator mentioned several times; "What's Trump going to do?". To your second part, people who are close to him have assured him "it's all under control."

My $.02:

This is really the issue. The entire point of Senate Confirmation Hearings is to ensure that the people advising the POTUS are competent, capable, and with regard to the Military, A-Political. Oversight only happens when all 3 branches of government do their jobs despite their political party beliefs. This administration is full of sycophants who care more about their personal gain than the real problems facing Americans. Americans seem more interested in sanctimoniously painting the other side as the worst people on earth than actually understanding anything. The media shovels this poop at us and we happily consume, like, follow, subscribe.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Well, to answer the first part of (I think) your facetious response: yes. In the video you shared, the commentator mentioned several times; "What's Trump going to do?". To your second part, people who are close to him have assured him "it's all under control."

My $.02:

This is really the issue. The entire point of Senate Confirmation Hearings is to ensure that the people advising the POTUS are competent, capable, and with regard to the Military, A-Political. Oversight only happens when all 3 branches of government do their jobs despite their political party beliefs. This administration is full of sycophants who care more about their personal gain than the real problems facing Americans. Americans seem more interested in sanctimoniously painting the other side as the worst people on earth than actually understanding anything. The media shovels this poop at us and we happily consume, like, follow, subscribe.

WHO has assured Trump it's all under control?

 

[Mr._Clark]

WWII didn't happen overnight. Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931, the rest of China in 1937. Germany re-occupied the Saarland in 1935, the Rhineland in 1936, Austria and the Sudetenland in 1938. Italy invaded Ethiopia in 1935. Hitler thought he could get away with invading Poland (Sept 1st, 1939) without triggering a response from Britain and France. He was wrong, because on Sept 3rd, they both declared war in defence of Poland.

While generally accepted as the 'official' start of WWII, that date is pretty arbitrary. Conflict was ongoing before then and continued to spread afterwards.

Two weeks later, the USSR also invaded Poland. In November, they also invaded Finland. It just kept on expanding from there.

NOBODY in this thread has suggested that WWIII is about to start. On the other hand, maybe it has already started - we just don't know it yet.

This is subjective, but on a scale of 1-10 (how close the world came to WW III) I would put the Cuban Missle Crises at 9, and Able Archer (1983) at 8.

I'd put us at 7 right now, but who knows? It's hard to know where we are at right now because wars evolve in unexpected ways (I'm not arguing with you, I think we basically agree).

It seems that WWI and WWII involved numerous instances of leadership misjudging the other side's intentions and likely reactions. You noted a major mistake by Hitler in your post "Hitler thought he could get away with invading Poland (Sept 1st, 1939) without triggering a response from Britain and France. He was wrong, because on Sept 3rd, they both declared war in defence of Poland."

How can anyone accurately predict a colossal misjudgement by leadership of a different country? (that's a rhetorical question, of course).

Yeah, I'm rambling.

 

[Dude#1279435]

One thing Mearsheimer said was this will become catastrophic if July passes and this is still going. I didn't understand if that was because we run out of ammo, oil prices will rise, or what? Also I watched John Bolton say the reason we haven't won is because Trump has a low attention span. He seems to be set on a regime change, but I thought most us believe that is futile? Changing their radical leadership doesn't work.