System with very short center speaker

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yepimonfire

Audioholic Samurai
Not going to happen. The smallest center speaker that doesn’t sound like garbage is the Polk s35, which is still 10cm high.

Why does it have to be so short? If under tv placement is the reason, try above placement, or even below on a separate stand.

Most of those teensie tiny speakers sound awful, especially when they’re designed by manufacturers who have no business designing loudspeakers (ie Phillips).

If you really can’t find a good alternative placement for the center, you’d be better off just going with a 4.1 system. Might I above a fireplace isn’t exactly a good spot for a tv, for one, it’s way too high, two, if the fireplace were actually used, it’d make viewing the tv difficult from the bright fire glaring into your vision.

Is there no way to place it somewhere more appropriate?




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pcr

Audiophyte
Hi yepimonfire,

Thank you for your comments and suggestions.

I understand that my setup is far from optimal when it comes to video/sound but it's comfortable for us and a balance we've found between quality and the actual way it integrates in the room.
We don't find the seating position too bad and however limited our exposure to good quality sound is, the Philips sounds way better than the TV built in speakers or regular soundbars that I've tested, as these were the only alternatives I've found could fit the space.

Said that I'm not managing to connect the Philips to the TV via HDMI ARC, even after trying different units and that is the main reason why I'm searching for alternatives.

A 4.1 could be a good option like you said, but I have the 4 satellite speakers around the 4 corners of the the room and as such quite far apart. I imagine that could make the lack of central speaker more noticeable.

I'm attaching a photo to better show the space available.

Thanks again
 

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killdozzer

killdozzer

Audioholic Samurai
In case you're not using the fireplace, would you mount it here?
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pcr

Audiophyte
Hi killdozzer,

You are right, that is the exact place I would choose if I was to redesign it, probably within some sort of alcove like the TV to protect it from the heat. Shame I didn't think about it before hand.
Now it's too late I'm afraid, it would require drilling/rewiring and it would block the fireplace register plate.

Thanks for the suggestion though!
 
Johnny2Bad

Johnny2Bad

Audioholic Chief
It would seem your only option would be to either use compact computer speaker(s) or mount your centre channel speakers to the side of your monitor. If you can fit the desktop speakers underneath the monitor, you could either use just one, or use two but side-by-side. Alternately you could use two at the side of the monitor.

Wired in parallel or series (series would probably work best, as they are likely to be low impedance) in mono they might throw a useful centre channel image. Two speakers in mono and connected to your centre channel output *should* have a central image between the two; that is, the sound source would appear to the listener to come from a point in the centre of the two.

Because the centre channel is primarily a dialog channel in the mix, you can get away with lesser fidelity in that position versus the L and R fronts. Not ideal, but then again your options are not ideal right from the start.

If you don't have some suitable speakers to try, you could temporarily remove the side or rear channel speakers (be sure to un-hook the speaker wires at the amp if no speaker is actually connected, or be sure the speaker wires for the ones you are using for this experiment cannot touch each other, such as if you had speaker binding posts wired at the side or rear positions).

Even if using them would block the screen, go ahead and try it anyway, to check if the centre channel image appears to come from the point midway across the monitor (where a "normal" centre channel would be). Try both side-by-side at the centre position, and also try one each at the side of the monitor. Basically you will be listening to a L - C - R 3-channel setup, but that would be good enough to assess whether it would work to your satisfaction to get around your problem. Of course if you have some compact computer monitors around somewhere that would fit there without blocking the screen, you could try those instead of moving your sides or rears temporarily.

If none of those work for you, or you want to experiment with alternate placement, you could try putting the centre above the monitor on the upper mantle.

Although the above are not ideal, they may work for you considering the limitations you are faced with.

6 cm [2.36"] is a very tight height limit; even a few cm more would help enormously. However you could try a DIY centre channel utilizing compact full-range drivers, you may even be able to use a proper M - T - M configuration. There are drivers available that are 2" or slightly less in diameter. Check Parts Express or Maidsound for something that might work for you. The enclosure rigidity would be adequate due to the compact size even if you had to use 6mm [¼"] material, or perhaps you could find even thinner masonite. Considering your problem, maybe the best solution.
 
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pcr

Audiophyte
Hi Johnny2Bad,

That is very interesting.
I hadn't consider the possibility of two centre speakers wired together, on each side of the TV. That would open a lot more options space wise.

I'm assuming this is not something one purchases out of the box right? I would purchase a decent 5.1 system and an extra speaker same model and the centre speaker that comes with the system and then work some magic to connect them together via a single connection to the receiver?

Just read your suggestion for the possibility of custom making one and it also sounds good.
I'm definitely out of my dept to pursue either of these options myself but thank you for showing me possible solutions.

I will ask the people that installed the current system to see if this is something they could do.

Thanks!
 
Audiosaur

Audiosaur

Audioholic
I will ask the people that installed the current system to see if this is something they could do.

Thanks!
You had professionals do the install and they didn't already go over with you the shortfalls of your setup and possible workarounds!?

Um, you might consider a different company. Just sayin'.
 
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pcr

Audiophyte
Hi Audiosaur,

To be fair I already had all the equipment when I asked them to come and install it, so they didn't have much of an input in that regard.
Also they aren't sound specialists per se, I'm talking about the electricians that wired the house, they also wired the sound and plugged everything in place.

I see your point though. A more specialised company likely would have offered me a better solution from the start.

Thanks!
 
Mitchibo

Mitchibo

Audioholic
I’d cut a cradle into the mantle then but a 1/4 piece of painted plywood over the top it. As it is the mantle is useless anyway. It will also offer a way to hide cables.
 
Johnny2Bad

Johnny2Bad

Audioholic Chief
Hi Johnny2Bad,

That is very interesting.
I hadn't consider the possibility of two centre speakers wired together, on each side of the TV. That would open a lot more options space wise.

I'm assuming this is not something one purchases out of the box right? I would purchase a decent 5.1 system and an extra speaker same model and the centre speaker that comes with the system and then work some magic to connect them together via a single connection to the receiver?

Just read your suggestion for the possibility of custom making one and it also sounds good.
I'm definitely out of my dept to pursue either of these options myself but thank you for showing me possible solutions.

I will ask the people that installed the current system to see if this is something they could do.

Thanks!
You could just purchase any stereo pair that you find asthetically fits your decor. There are many options; just as a suggestion check out the suggestions listed below (note: you don't want the powered or "active" type, you want "passive" speakers).

The wiring is not complicated; you don't need to get outside help with that. Post here if you want a detailed explanation of how to wire them. It's easy, don't worry.

https://audioengineusa.com/shop/passivespeakers/p4-passive-speakers/

I like the Gallo speakers, they sound great and are compact:

http://www.roundsound.com/satellite-speakers.html

Super compact speakers that sound good and won't break the bank:

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-wnsAdGMgJBU/p_779MIN12B/Cambridge-Audio-Minx-Min-12-Black.html

It's a sonic advantage to have the front baffle of the speaker be beyond the plane of the flat screen, but you probably would still want to keep an eye on the depth measurement; many compact speakers create the interior volume the drivers need by making the depth the longest value. So check that spec when deciding on what to buy.

The speakers I've suggested are just that ... suggestions ... so feel free to look around, but beware that many computer tech writers consider themselves audio reviewers, when you really want to read reviews by actual audio people. The tech writers tend to be cheerleaders for anything trendy, and don't have much in the way of listening smarts. They just like anything that manages to put out some sound. Audio people tend to prefer products that manage to go beyond the ordinary.
 
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pcr

Audiophyte
Great options to think about.

Thank you very much for all the suggestions.
 
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