Denon AVR-3313CI, SVS sub and Ascend Sierra-1s. Need help with 5.1

C

Couch Potato

Audioholic Intern
Hello, I just hooked up my Sierra-1 L/R/C and my SVS PB12-plus yesterday. Ok, don't laugh ... I also added my old Bose Acoustimass 7 for now as the back left and right speakers. I tried to use Audyssey but couldn't get it to work with the 5.1 setup. I have to select surround speakers, which includes the left and right, and the rear left and rear right. But when I do the calibration, it says that the cables are not connected to the left and right speakers. It won't continue until I connect the speakers. If I deselect the surrounds, the rear surrounds are deselected too. There must be a way to bypass to get to a 5.1 I was too anxious to read the manual and was hoping someone here could help. In the meantime, I just used the manual setup.

On the Denon, I also set all five speakers to "small". I also set the crossover to 80hz.

If anyone has any other setup suggestions for my system, I'm all ears and appreciate the help. Thanks!
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
I was too anxious to read the manual and was hoping someone here could help. In the meantime, I just used the manual setup.
That's your first mistake. You're gonna want to get used to reading the manual or else you'll be posting a lot.

These aren't toasters or old analog stereos where everything is intuitive.
 
C

Couch Potato

Audioholic Intern
I have all intentions of reading the manual from front to back. No doubt. In fact, the manual came as a disc and my wife was working online last night so no point in kicking her off. I figured most things out as it was quite intuitive, especially using the monitor. I was just very excited and anxious to get going knowing I'll get to play it for only a second time tonight. I know this forum is full of very helpful people. I love this site and have learned so much! I thought I could save a little time and ask someone here, as I know it'll be very easy for someone who's been there, done that. People love sites like this because of all the helpful knowledgeable people out there. That's why I posted. I figure it couldn't hurt.... or could it?

It's responses like yours that will discourage newbies like myself from posting. Re-read your post. In my opinion, I think it would have been better for you not to post that response.

But I'll keep positive and look past posts such as yours.

Thanks in advance for any help. PMs are fine too, as I've noticed some people prefer to respond that way.

That's your first mistake. You're gonna want to get used to reading the manual or else you'll be posting a lot.

These aren't toasters or old analog stereos where everything is intuitive.
 
C

Couch Potato

Audioholic Intern
I just wanted to share what someone suggested : take the rear speaker wires and plug them into the side surround outputs. Then leave them in the rear, since it's all ambiance anyway. I tried that tonight and was able to use Audyssey. Thanks for the help!
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
From the wording of your post "I have every intenton of reading the manual". it looks like you haven't done it even yet.

Sorry you feel that way but to come on here asking for help while simultaneously bragging that you didn't even bother to even check the manual is a bit too much. And, I'm glad that one of your other enabler buddies was able to spoon-feed you the answer you were too lazy to look up yourself.

Now, if you had bothered to read, or even skim through some parts of, the manual you would have known that you need to plug the wires into the side surrounds instead of the rear surrounds. I think the speaker connections are labeld similarly, no? They might even have pictures to lessen the burden on you.

So, had you taken two minutes to look at a wiring/connection diagram in the owners manual, you would have answered your own question in less time than it took to post your initial question.

...so much for that intuition of yours.

And, you might want you check out my (and other peoples) posts to others who really need some guidance. You might learn something in spite of yourself. But, sumptin' tells me that you won't bother. Rather than do a little reading and research on your own (it's too much work!), you'll just barge in and ask another question that, odds are, has been asked and answered a million times before.
 
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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Hello, I just hooked up my Sierra-1 L/R/C and my SVS PB12-plus yesterday. Ok, don't laugh ... I also added my old Bose Acoustimass 7 for now as the back left and right speakers. I tried to use Audyssey but couldn't get it to work with the 5.1 setup. I have to select surround speakers, which includes the left and right, and the rear left and rear right. But when I do the calibration, it says that the cables are not connected to the left and right speakers. It won't continue until I connect the speakers. If I deselect the surrounds, the rear surrounds are deselected too. There must be a way to bypass to get to a 5.1 I was too anxious to read the manual and was hoping someone here could help. In the meantime, I just used the manual setup.

On the Denon, I also set all five speakers to "small". I also set the crossover to 80hz.

If anyone has any other setup suggestions for my system, I'm all ears and appreciate the help. Thanks!
Before applying Audyssey Auto Calibration, I would manually go into Manual, Speaker Setup, Configuration, Front Left small, Center small, Front Right small, Surround Left small, Surround Right small, Surround Rear Left No, Surround Rear Right No, Sub Yes.

Now it is setup for just 5.1, not 7.1.
 
C

Couch Potato

Audioholic Intern
Wow … there are very helpful people here, and then there are troublemakers such as yourself. You don’t know when to quit, do you? I was quite excited as probably a lot of people here when I got my new toys. To save time, I TOOK A SHOT … threw that question out there. One measly question. If someone helpful could easily answer it, then great! If not, no big deal. I didn’t expect to get flamed!

You come out of the blue saying I made a mistake, saying I’ll post a lot if I don’t read the manual, and then ending with your sarcastic toaster comparison. Nice response!

Although I didn’t like having to explain myself, I did and also let you know that I viewed your response as negative, not positive.
That should have been enough. But here you are at it again, going after me. So, I’m going to respond to a few points.

““From the wording of your post "I have every intenton of reading the manual". it looks like you haven't done it even yet:” -- So what’s your point? How do you know I didn’t read it? And even if I didn’t, I would read it on my terms, my timeline, and not yours. So if you’re unhappy that I haven’t read it in the last 48 hrs, that’s your problem.

“but to come on here asking for help while simultaneously bragging that you didn't even bother to even check the manual is a bit too much” How was that bragging? Bragging is speaking with excessive pride. There was no pride there … since I was too anxious, it’s more like admission of guilt.

“So, had you taken two minutes to look at a wiring/connection diagram in the owners manual, you would have answered your own question in less time than it took to post your initial question” – I already explained to you that I didn’t have access to the manual, and hadn’t read the manual when I posted it the very next morning.

“so much for that intuition of yours” – I said the MONITOR was intuitive. It was. Even the Denon website describes it as an “Intuitive Graphical User Interface”. But the user interface didn’t go into every detail.

“But, sumptin' tells me that you won't bother. Rather than do a little reading and research on your own (it's too much work!), you'll just barge in and ask another question that, odds are, has been asked and answered a million times before.” -- this says A LOT about YOU. Just a pure ahole response. You know NOTHING about me. If I started a lot of threads, asking dumb questions, then maybe I would deserve the flaming. But not even close! I’ve done a TON of research and reading here ad nauseam and on other websites when trying to choose my speakers, sub and receiver. I read a lot, posted little, and asked little. In fact, before I began this thread, I had given more thank yous than I had posts. It’s because I appreciated the helpful posts that I read out there. I ask one measly question and you assume you know me and proceed to flame me. And it’s not just about wiring. There are lots of tricks that are NOT in the manual, with my specific setup … that I’ve READ about. Like overriding Audyssey and choosing small for all speakers, not choosing the receiver’s crossover setting and going with 80, turning dynamic range off, etc. I posted this question also asking others for other similar suggestions with my setup … all of which AREN’T in the manual either… more from people’s experience with my (or a similar) setup than straight out from any manual.

Yes, you’re right. During all of my reading here, I have come across the same questions that have been asked a million times before by others. And they keep coming. The same helpful guys keep answering and answering … they are the ones that make this a great website. Since you seem to want to police these boards for people who ask questions without doing their research or reading the manual, good luck … you have your work cut out for you. Spend your time how you please.

I stand by what I said earlier. This is an awesome forum. It’s awesome because of all the helpful people and posts out there. Your posts were not positive, but very negative. It would have been better if you hadn’t have posted at all. I’ve wasted enough of my time responding to you. This forum shouldn’t be filled with useless arguments like this so I’ll end it here. Feel free to have the last word. My gut tells me you will respond, and you will have that last word.


From the wording of your post "I have every intenton of reading the manual". it looks like you haven't done it even yet.

Sorry you feel that way but to come on here asking for help while simultaneously bragging that you didn't even bother to even check the manual is a bit too much. And, I'm glad that one of your other enabler buddies was able to spoon-feed you the answer you were too lazy to look up yourself.

Now, if you had bothered to read, or even skim through some parts of, the manual you would have known that you need to plug the wires into the side surrounds instead of the rear surrounds. I think the speaker connections are labeld similarly, no? They might even have pictures to lessen the burden on you.

So, had you taken two minutes to look at a wiring/connection diagram in the owners manual, you would have answered your own question in less time than it took to post your initial question.

...so much for that intuition of yours.

And, you might want you check out my (and other peoples) posts to others who really need some guidance. You might learn something in spite of yourself. But, sumptin' tells me that you won't bother. Rather than do a little reading and research on your own (it's too much work!), you'll just barge in and ask another question that, odds are, has been asked and answered a million times before.
 
C

Couch Potato

Audioholic Intern
Thanks AcuDefTechGuy! You've been one of the most helpful people I've interacted with on these boards. By the way, I did go for the Rhythmik sub after you showed me the specs. I also would have received a discount with the Ascend speakers. However, they were on backorder for over a month and a half. So with the speakers in transit, I couldn't wait and went for the SVS instead. It is an AWESOME sub. I have a crawl space under my family room, so when I played a Transformers preview yesterday, when one of the transformers pounded the ground, it actually felt like he hit our floor because the jolt completely shook the room. cool!!

Before applying Audyssey Auto Calibration, I would manually go into Manual, Speaker Setup, Configuration, Front Left small, Center small, Front Right small, Surround Left small, Surround Right small, Surround Rear Left No, Surround Rear Right No, Sub Yes.

Now it is setup for just 5.1, not 7.1.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
I'm glad that you got it working! Yeah, "Surround" versus "Surround Back" is a pretty common source of confusion. I'm glad that someone explained it to you. Reading the manual is a great way to go, but even when you do, sometimes it's confusing. It certainly helps to ask folks who have the background and foundation to understand some of the lingo in those manuals.

Btw, that's a nice setup that you've got going there. I'm not an Audyssey fan, but I've kind of lusted after the Denon 3000 series for years. :)
 
C

Couch Potato

Audioholic Intern
Thanks Adam. Yes, it's not straightforward. According to wikipedia's definition of "5.1 surround sound", the speakers are the sub, the front right and left, center, back left and back right ... no sides. The Denon AVR-3313CI is currently on sale at Crutchfields for $799 (regularly $1199) if interested. I like discounts! By the way, nice set up. When I was searching for my speakers, one of my options was to get a nice sub and five NHT Absolute Zero speakers. That +/- 2 db looked pretty good to me, and much cheaper than the SVS, Ascends, Philharmonitors, Sound Field, and other good bookshelf speakers that I was thinking about. They're all pretty good, and as I've come to learn, it just comes down to personal preference.

I'm glad that you got it working! Yeah, "Surround" versus "Surround Back" is a pretty common source of confusion. I'm glad that someone explained it to you. Reading the manual is a great way to go, but even when you do, sometimes it's confusing. It certainly helps to ask folks who have the background and foundation to understand some of the lingo in those manuals.

Btw, that's a nice setup that you've got going there. I'm not an Audyssey fan, but I've kind of lusted after the Denon 3000 series for years. :)
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
If you've been reading all these posts, you would know that the manual is, or should be, your first line of defense for any issues. Thay have answers dealing with your specific unit, and many times graphically represented. Yes, the internet and forums line this have made it a bit too convenient to ignore them but, hey, welcome to the new world. Some of us still believe in them manuals.

Actually, I don't mind answering the same wuestions over and over again, as long as someone has donetheir due dilligence and tried to find an answer for themselves. Yes, as Adam says, owners manuals can be confusing, but one should at least try to find an answer on their own, or at least not brag about not even bothering to try.

From where do you think all of us got our information, or would have to look to answer your particular question? That's rignt: An owners manual, most likely one specific to your particular unit, odds are which none of us have. ...but you do! You might have noticed that some of the answers provided her eactualy reference a page number in someones owners manual. Do you think we havethem all memorized?

You would also know, just by looking at a wiring diagram in there, that you had your "surround" speakers connected to the wrong terminals.

Total time to determine that? Depending on one's ability to navigate a TOC to locate a wiring diagram, a few minutes, maybe.
 
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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Thanks AcuDefTechGuy! You've been one of the most helpful people I've interacted with on these boards. By the way, I did go for the Rhythmik sub after you showed me the specs. I also would have received a discount with the Ascend speakers. However, they were on backorder for over a month and a half. So with the speakers in transit, I couldn't wait and went for the SVS instead. It is an AWESOME sub. I have a crawl space under my family room, so when I played a Transformers preview yesterday, when one of the transformers pounded the ground, it actually felt like he hit our floor because the jolt completely shook the room. cool!!
Thanks. I try to be helpful and less offensive most of the time anyway. :D

But some of us have that Jackal-and-Hyde thing going on. :eek:

I am definitely Hyde today. :)

Although I have to work this Sat & Sun, today is still Friday, so it's not all bad. :)

I am glad the SVS Sub works out great for you. A lot of these subs (& speakers) are all so great, you just can't go wrong. :D
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I was quite excited as probably a lot of people here when I got my new toys.
New toys are always great, especially when they work out exactly they way you had hoped. :D

This is a casual forum. It should be fun and friendly. We are all here because we love this hobby and we want to share all thoughts big and small. :D

This is NOT our job or career. It is only our hobby. Not surgery or bridge building or rocket science. Just a fun hobby for pure enjoyment and fun.

We should never have to worry that what we say is relevant enough or smart enough. ;)

But, there is always that IGNORE LIST feature. :D

On your forum Setting, go to Edit Ignore List, then add the member's name. :D
 
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jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
I have all intentions of reading the manual from front to back. No doubt. In fact, the manual came as a disc and my wife was working online last night so no point in kicking her off.
MarkW has a valid point he is trying to make. There simply may be something important in the documentation that we won't know about since not everyone that is trying to help will have direct experience with your particular equipment.

Unfortunately equipment manuals for most items are horrible today which makes forums like this useful. Just as background we had a rather well monied but seemingly thick witted poster here years ago drop $8K on a Samsung Plasma and right away he burned the panel. Came on and did nothing but bad mouth Samsung only to find out he didn't read the first 3 pages of the manual where it speaks to image retention.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
What a relief!
Indeed! Phew. I've been holding myself back, always trying to sound smart. Now, I can post more.

:D
Right?

I mean when we were in college, we had to worry about making the good grades.

Then when we graduated and started our careers, we had to do a good job.

But entertainment and fun and games should be carefree and stress-free. We shouldn't be excoriated or berated for appearing lazy or something. C'mon. :D
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
Indeed! Phew. I've been holding myself back, always trying to sound smart. Now, I can post more.

:D
You have 27,772 posts as I type this, and you want to post more? Have you considered professional help?
 

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