best $500-$700 floor speakers

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thedude15

Audiophyte
I currently have a cheap 5.1 speaker set up (one of those $400 HT in a box things). I am ok with that system.

I also have a moderately priced receiver (would not call it cheap but it is nothing too good). Pioneer VSX-1021-K 7.1 Home Theater Receiver

Like I said this setup is ok for my HT system but I wanna get some higher quality sound listening to music.

For now the only thing I am looking to add is a pair of $500-700 (each) music speakers. I know they are not really gonna mix with my cheap HT system so for now they would be for music only (latter when I upgraded my HT system I would want to incorporate them into the new HT system). My next step would probably to upgrade the sub and then eventually the rest of the system.

I was looking at the Cerwin-Vega Xls-215. Any other suggestions?

I do realize my current system will not be able to use a $500-700 speaker to its max potential but I can only afford to make one upgrade at a time.
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
What is it about the Cerwin Vega, that attracks you attention?
 
cjsiv

cjsiv

Junior Audioholic
Is that pioneer receiver able to drive those? 87.5 db with a planar mid. Didn't see an ohm load rating either. Aren't planar speakers harder to drive?
 
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GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Is that pioneer receiver able to drive those? 87.5 db with a planar mid. Didn't see an ohm load rating either. Aren't planar speakers harder to drive?


If the Pioneer can't drive that then it's total garbage.
 
cjsiv

cjsiv

Junior Audioholic
This is the part I was not sure of:

The last plot shows the system impedance for the Philharmonic 1. *With the exception of the region between 1000 Hz and 2500 Hz, which will not prove a problem for any well designed amplifier, the impedance is at or above 4 ohms. *Overall, the impedance plot is very flat with no wide swings in phase angle that could tax an amplifier.

I am not an electrician and graphs thoroughly confuse me. It took me 10 minutes to figure out the one above. (note--no Audioholic ninja or overlord next to my username therefore not an audio genius)

It states that it shouldn't be a problem for any well designed amplifier. But does dip into the sub 4 ohm range. I just was not sure about that part. To my untrained eye, it looks like a good portion of that graph rides on the 4 ohm line which started my question. If that was a 4 ohm speaker, I was under the impression that it was bad for a mid range AVR.

Thanks for setting me straight.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
It states that it shouldn't be a problem for any well designed amplifier. But does dip into the sub 4 ohm range. I just was not sure about that part. To my untrained eye, it looks like a good portion of that graph rides on the 4 ohm line which started my question. If that was a 4 ohm speaker, I was under the impression that it was bad for a mid range AVR.
You have to define what "a 4 ohm speaker" is....Ridiculous as it sounds, there's manufacturers that might define that graph as 8 ohm or 6 ohm nominal. Yes I'd call it a 4 ohm speaker, but there's "8 ohm" speakers which present more difficult loads on a whole, and there's "4 ohm speakers" that would be better off being called 3 ohm or 2.5 ohm.

The thing to notice, is that the phase angles stay within 45 degrees and the response barely if at all goes below 4 ohms. Sensitivity is average at 87.5 ohm. It's not an "easy load", but it's not an amp killer load either. More power wouldn't hurt but your pioneer should drive it regardless.

Where you wanna raise an eyebrow, is if phase angle goes higher (or lower) than +/- 45 degrees (and that coincides with a low impedance at the same frequency), or if impedance drops below 3 ohm between 20hz and 500hz or so, or if sensitivity is below average.

Overall what you're seeing is a very typical loudspeaker impedance profile. If the receiver won't drive that speaker, then you likely need a new receiver, ::period::
 
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bigtim2000

Audiophyte
I was going to recommend these:

plus any decent 2 channel amp, but your 1021 doesn't have preouts. Still the Emps are nice and that price is even nicer.
How the e55ti's compare to your Polk 70's? I looking at both and can only get one or the other.

Thanks in advance
 
afterlife2

afterlife2

Audioholic Warlord
I was going to recommend these:
EMP Tek Clearance E55Ti Tower Speakers

plus any decent 2 channel amp, but your 1021 doesn't have preouts. Still the Emps are nice and that price is even nicer.
You are really tempting me. Those Red ones are the ones too.:( What are these like? Any type of music speakers? What songs on these shine for you? Did you ever post pics of these with your other setup pics?
 
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nioveratus

Audioholic Intern
I just got this EMP Tek Clearance E55Ti Tower Speakers today and they look gorgeous in black...I have not been able to do a lot of calibration just ran ''audesssy''...so far so good..I like the way it sounds but I don't have an amp, I use my onkyo receiver...now I'm just waiting for their center and bookshelves to become available in black :)
 
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bigtim2000

Audiophyte
I just got this EMP Tek Clearance E55Ti Tower Speakers today and they look gorgeous in black...I have not been able to do a lot of calibration just ran ''audesssy''...so far so good..I like the way it sounds but I don't have an amp, I use my onkyo receiver...now I'm just waiting for their center and bookshelves to become available in black :)
So you like them better than those TSI400's? Sounds like I have to get out the credit card!
 
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nioveratus

Audioholic Intern
I went to Best Buy and listened to the Polks(300 and 400) and they did not sound that good(might have been receiver/connections issues)....the EMP towers are highly recommended here and everybody likes them over Polk....It says that is B-Stock but mine don't have a single scratch and they look beautiful...btw they are way bigger than tsi400....I'd say to take advantage of the EMP deal, don't know how long is going to last...I'm just waiting to complete my whole EMP set :)
 

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