Sony DA555ES vs. Yamaha Rx-A800

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JDaBod

Audioholic Intern
I currently have a Sony DA555ES that I really like, but I know it is rather antiquated. I have circumvented a lot of its out datedness with creative use of optical and digital cables, but am beginning to wonder if it is time to upgrade. I am really happy with the 555, but a lot of that could just be comfort. I know in its day it was a fantastic unit, but what am I missing by not having newer technology? I have been looking at the Yamaha A800 as it seems to be a good unit and is somewhat in my price range. What are your thoughts on how the two compare? Is it worth doing, or should I just supress the itch and save the dollars?
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Normally, I advise people to hold off on replacing receivers, as they usually make much less difference to the sound than speakers. But in your case, your Sony cannot deal with the newer audio formats on BD, so there is a good chance that you will actually get an improvement in sound (if you have a BD player). Of course, it all depends on what else you have and how it is all hooked up, but I would probably replace it. Yamaha is a good choice.
 
96cobra10101

96cobra10101

Senior Audioholic
Normally, I advise people to hold off on replacing receivers, as they usually make much less difference to the sound than speakers. But in your case, your Sony cannot deal with the newer audio formats on BD, so there is a good chance that you will actually get an improvement in sound (if you have a BD player). Of course, it all depends on what else you have and how it is all hooked up, but I would probably replace it. Yamaha is a good choice.
Plus the fact that the 800 is going for about $300 plus shipping right now.
 
J

JDaBod

Audioholic Intern
You are correct. The latest formats of Dolby Digital and DTS are distorted and I have to switch to the PCM Downmix. I have done my best to skirt similar issues by running an HDMI cable to the TV for video and either an optical or digital cable to the receiver for video. Additionally, the 555ES doesn't have multi-zone capability, so I had to get creative to power speakers in the kitchen, living room, and on the deck. Basically I had to build two separate systems. The 555 runs 5.1 in the media room and then I have a cheaper Sony receiver hidden below running to a speaker selector. The two receivers operate separately, but audio components are connected to both through optical splitters, so music can be played through all speakers from the same source (generally through home sharing on the Apple TV). I am realizing how ridiculous this is as I type it. But it works, works pretty well, and I have been happy with it. I guess one huge advantage to the Yamaha is I would really only have one HDMI cable running up to the TV. That and the ability to handle newer audio formats.

That said, is the 800 one of the better deals out there for the price?
 
avnetguy

avnetguy

Audioholic Chief
You might also want to see what kind of deals on on the RXA-1000 right now, seen some pretty good ones go by recently. The 1000 might be a better choice if any or all of these reasons matter to you,
1> It has web/app control for main and zone output, control what's playing back remotely.
2> It seems to be a bit beefier on the power supply, 8 lbs heavier.
3> Has USB port for listening to music, can be controlled remotely.

Steve
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
You are correct. The latest formats of Dolby Digital and DTS are distorted and I have to switch to the PCM Downmix. I have done my best to skirt similar issues by running an HDMI cable to the TV for video and either an optical or digital cable to the receiver for video. Additionally, the 555ES doesn't have multi-zone capability, so I had to get creative to power speakers in the kitchen, living room, and on the deck. Basically I had to build two separate systems. The 555 runs 5.1 in the media room and then I have a cheaper Sony receiver hidden below running to a speaker selector. The two receivers operate separately, but audio components are connected to both through optical splitters, so music can be played through all speakers from the same source (generally through home sharing on the Apple TV). I am realizing how ridiculous this is as I type it. But it works, works pretty well, and I have been happy with it. I guess one huge advantage to the Yamaha is I would really only have one HDMI cable running up to the TV. That and the ability to handle newer audio formats.

That said, is the 800 one of the better deals out there for the price?

Yamaha often is the best deal going. I have very little brand loyalty, but the last two times I have purchased a receiver for my home theater, they have been Yamaha. There have been times when, if I had been looking for a receiver, I would have ended up with a Marantz or Denon, but there is no reason to reject Yamaha.

No matter what brand you buy, I recommend buying from an authorized dealer, just in case something goes wrong. Often, the best deals are on recently discontinued items, which describes both of my most recent home theater receiver purchases.

The RX-A800 is at a good level, not so low that it is a cheap piece of junk, and not so high that one is wasting too much money, if one is getting it at a reasonable price. I would only go with a higher model if I needed a feature it lacked, or the price on the higher model was too good to pass up. I would also consider the RX-A700, unless it lacked a feature I required.

I was running a $600 receiver with speakers over $6k, and it sounded great (as it should). Because I wanted more features, I replaced it with a receiver that retails for about $1700. Unless I engage a feature that affects the sound, it sounds the same as the $600 receiver. If my speakers were more difficult to drive, it could have made a difference, as it can put out about twice as much power as the cheaper receiver, but the old receiver could drive my speakers to painful levels with crystal clarity, so the extra power is useless for me. Basically, once you get a decent receiver, a higher model gives you more features and more power, not anything else. So, many times, a higher model is just a waste of money. (I got mine for less than $500; I would really be kicking myself if I had wasted $1700 on it.)

If you require more power than a moderate level receiver, it is usually best to get a receiver with preamp outputs for all channels and get a separate power amplifier(s), as one can get more power that way than with a high end receiver.

So basically, you probably want to go with the cheapest receiver from a good brand that has all of the features you require (now and in the near future). And that extra money should go into the speaker fund (keeping in mind that subwoofers are speakers, too). That is, assuming you want the best sound per dollar spent. Most people, though, put too much of their money in receivers and other electronics and not enough into their speakers, as it is easy to see that more power is better and more features is better, but it is harder for people to see better sound quality in a speaker.
 
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JDaBod

Audioholic Intern
The plot thickens. I have found an A800 for $385 shipped and also an A1000 for about $550 shipped. As of a few minutes ago I am leaning toward the A1000...I think the A800 would be sufficient, but $165 more seems like a great deal.

My eventual goal here is to get out of the stone age and no longer require two receivers. So that brings me to my next question: I will need an amp to drive the single point in-ceilings in the kitchen, front room, and two speakers on the deck. The amp will run to a speaker selector, and I am wondering if something small like the Emotiva mini-X a-100 will do the trick? As they are all secondary speakers I am not looking for huge power, and only occasionally drive the in-celings very hard. I assume that the Yamaha will drive the 5.1 room sufficiently, so I won't need a secondary amp there, correct? Will the mini suffice, or should I bump up to say a UPA-2? The amp may be a while, as I am sure a new receiver will not be that well received by the other half, but I like to have a plan.
 
96cobra10101

96cobra10101

Senior Audioholic
The plot thickens. I have found an A800 for $385 shipped and also an A1000 for about $550 shipped. As of a few minutes ago I am leaning toward the A1000...I think the A800 would be sufficient, but $165 more seems like a great deal.

My eventual goal here is to get out of the stone age and no longer require two receivers. So that brings me to my next question: I will need an amp to drive the single point in-ceilings in the kitchen, front room, and two speakers on the deck. The amp will run to a speaker selector, and I am wondering if something small like the Emotiva mini-X a-100 will do the trick? As they are all secondary speakers I am not looking for huge power, and only occasionally drive the in-celings very hard. I assume that the Yamaha will drive the 5.1 room sufficiently, so I won't need a secondary amp there, correct? Will the mini suffice, or should I bump up to say a UPA-2? The amp may be a while, as I am sure a new receiver will not be that well received by the other half, but I like to have a plan.
I was wrong about the $300, I bought mine for $395 about a week ago. I had looked at so many AVR's, I had $300 on the brain.
I am sort of in the same boat as you. I'm using mine as secondary system in my family room. It'll be a hooked up 7.1, and then pre-out to a impedance matching speaker wiring panel to run 5 pairs of speakers in 5 other rooms through an external amp. After much internal debate, I had decided to go with 1 UPA-2. But, now I've seen there out of stock, so I may go with an XPA-2 or 2 UPA-1's. My third option would be to buy 5 mini's, one for each zone, and have 1 physically in each room, eliminating the speaker panel and wall volume control and use the mini's built in one.
 
davidtwotrees

davidtwotrees

Audioholic General
Jumping in kinda late, here. Seems to me you are stepping down in build quality just to get DTSMA and whatever the other latest greatest gotta have it gee whiz bang..........and hdmi capability.
I am not a fan of modern receivers (see my signature), having tried the mid level offerings and found them cheap. I have not seen your unit, but I understand the old ES series was quality gear.
If you are that set on the new codecs, get a pre pro with analog ins for blu rays, zone 2 capabilities, and run the hdmi from the source to the TV. Buy a solid amp
Just my two cents.
 
J

JDaBod

Audioholic Intern
Jumping in kinda late, here. Seems to me you are stepping down in build quality just to get DTSMA and whatever the other latest greatest gotta have it gee whiz bang..........and hdmi capability.
I am not a fan of modern receivers (see my signature), having tried the mid level offerings and found them cheap. I have not seen your unit, but I understand the old ES series was quality gear.
If you are that set on the new codecs, get a pre pro with analog ins for blu rays, zone 2 capabilities, and run the hdmi from the source to the TV. Buy a solid amp
Just my two cents.
Thanks for the input. Are you suggesting to remove an AV receiver altogether and go with separates?
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
If your 555 has multi channel inputs you can use them with a BDP, such as the older Sony and Panny models that has multi channel analog outputs to enjoy HD codecs. Bass management may be tricky with analogs but the overload SQ may still be better than what you are getting now.
 
J

JDaBod

Audioholic Intern
I am seriously considering jumping on a deal I found on a new RX-A1000 tonight. Just really struggling to pull the trigger. It seems the general consenus is that it is a good purchase, so I am not sure why I have this loyalty to the 555...it is like an old friend, but I guess change is both good and necessary, right?:confused:

I sure will miss the blue light coming on and the visible LFE meter-the thing lights up like a Christmas tree when it is happy.:)
 
avnetguy

avnetguy

Audioholic Chief
I sure will miss the blue light coming on and the visible LFE meter-the thing lights up like a Christmas tree when it is happy.:)
You can always get a DSP1124 for LFE management if you like lights, I use one in my system with my new yamaha AVR.

Steve
 
J

JDaBod

Audioholic Intern
Well, I found a store locally that will match the price I found for an RX-A1000 online. Only downside is that I have to pay tax, but the $50 or so in taxes is worth local support and not having to wait on it. Looks like I am going to have a fun evening...
 
timoteo

timoteo

Audioholic General
Enjoy!! Keep us informed & if you have questions just ask. I have the RX-A2000 & LOVE IT!!!!
 
P

PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I sure will miss the blue light coming on and the visible LFE meter-the thing lights up like a Christmas tree when it is happy.:)
I have a 4ES before so I know what you mean about that blue light but the RX-A1000 will be truly an upgrade.
 
J

JDaBod

Audioholic Intern
Well she is all hooked up and somewhat dialed in. Getting through the workday today is going to be tortorous. And then a dry Christmas party tonight. Ugh.

I do have a couple of questions. More like one question and one complaint. The analog only to zone 2 sucks. I for some reason thought it would only send analog signals to zone 2, but in fact the input themselves have to be analog as well...back to the world of converters and splitters for me.

So here is my question-and the answer might be staring me in the face, but I am running on little sleep and the residual effects of a lot of pilsner: my primary source of music is home sharing iTunes of Rhapsody from my phone through my Apple TV. I now have the Apple TV running HDMI to the receiver, so when I switch to that input the video signal from the Apple TV displays on the TV. Fine by me, as I frequently use the Apple TV to stream in shows and movies, so I need access to the interface. But how can I set this so I can watch TV and listen to music at the same time? Say I am watching a football game and would like to listen to music from my phone...in order to listen to music it is going to switch the video display from the DVR box to the Apple TV. I am thinking the solution will consist of another HDMI cable, but just can't put it together...:confused:
 
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JDaBod

Audioholic Intern
One more question just popped into my head: the receiver is 7.1, but I am only running 5.1. Should my rear speakers be wired to the plain surround jacks or to the "surround back" jacks?
 
avnetguy

avnetguy

Audioholic Chief
One more question just popped into my head: the receiver is 7.1, but I am only running 5.1. Should my rear speakers be wired to the plain surround jacks or to the "surround back" jacks?
They should connect to plain surround jacks.

Steve
 
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