Are there any 5.1 receivers that deliver more than 200 watts per channel?

[rukawa11]

If there is would it be more feasible financially to instead just get an amp to use in conjunction with my htib receiver. Also, I know nothing about amps, is there a comprehensive list of well regarded amps or amp brands?

 

[njedpx3]

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If there is would it be more feasible financially to instead just get an amp to use in conjunction with my htib receiver. Also, I know nothing about amps, is there a comprehensive list of well regarded amps or amp brands?

Lots of questions :

Your title "more than 200 watts per channel" ? What speakers are you trying to drive? You probably don't need 200 watts for each channel, most likely only the fronts

"feasible financially" - what is your budget ?

"htib receiver" - no offense but hard to expand most htibs --you need to consider a AVR with PRE-OUTs, then you can add specific amps to drive power hungry speakers.


Peace and good sound,

Forest Man

 

[highfigh]

If there is would it be more feasible financially to instead just get an amp to use in conjunction with my htib receiver. Also, I know nothing about amps, is there a comprehensive list of well regarded amps or amp brands?

If you want to go from HTIB, I would like to know who told you that you need 200W/channel, what the justification is and what speakers you'll be using. HTIB don't generally produce a lot of output and if you weren't lacking for output before, 200W/ch will be overkill.

 

[rukawa11]

thanks for your replies, I will be upgrading my fronts to the mb quartz qls1030, according to zumbo his qls830's can shutdown his 175 watt per channel amp(http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=798520&postcount=116). Yes i'd only need the 200+ for the fronts, what does that mean? I can just get the amp to use for the fronts and plug the rest on the htib receiver? I will be upgrading to nht superzero's as the surrounds eventually. This is the htib i have currently with specs http://www.intl.onkyo.com/downloads/product_info/pdf/ht-s590_leaflet.pdf . my budget would be ~$700

 

[its phillip]

Well you have a problem there...your reciever doesn't have preouts so you can't add an amp, and if you really need a 200WPC amp for your fronts then you'll probably have to spend at least $700 alone for that (something like the emotiva xpa3 or a pair of upa1s).

 

[rukawa11]

Well you have a problem there...your reciever doesn't have preouts so you can't add an amp, and if you really need a 200WPC amp for your fronts then you'll probably have to spend at least $700 alone for that (something like the emotiva xpa3 or a pair of upa1s).

ah, thanks for letting me know. so i definitely will be needing another receiver. so back to my original question are there any 5.1 receivers that would satisfy my needs for wattage or would i have to get both a new receiver with preouts and an amp?

 

[TLS Guy]

ah, thanks for letting me know. so i definitely will be needing another receiver. so back to my original question are there any 5.1 receivers that would satisfy my needs for wattage or would i have to get both a new receiver with preouts and an amp?

For those speakers you need a receiver with pre outs and an external amp.

Or a pre/pro and totally external amps.

 

[rukawa11]

ahh just did more research about amps/preamps/ receivers, i'm such a newb. had no clue receivers were just amps and preamps combined. so if there is no such receiver that powerful, it would be make more sense and be cheaper to get a preamp and an amp instead of receiver with preouts and amp right?

 

[TLS Guy]

ahh just did more research about amps/preamps/ receivers, i'm such a newb. had no clue receivers were just amps and preamps combined. so if there is no such receiver that powerful, it would be make more sense and be cheaper to get a preamp and an amp instead of receiver with preouts and amp right?

Not necessarily, as more receivers are produced than pre/pros, so there are economies of scale. The Marantz pre/pro (7005) is the only one I know that is cheaper then the receiver it is derived from. However you can get receivers with pre outs cheaper than that. The next issue is that you need power for your other speakers and a receiver can do that, but a pre/pro can not. The you only need a two channel amp for the mains.

If you can afford it pre/pro is the way to go I think, but if you are graduating from HTIB, it might not be in your budget.

 

[KEW]

ahh just did more research about amps/preamps/ receivers, i'm such a newb. had no clue receivers were just amps and preamps combined. so if there is no such receiver that powerful, it would be make more sense and be cheaper to get a preamp and an amp instead of receiver with preouts and amp right?

No. Preamps are only sold as a higher end product. You will not find an inexpensive preamp.
Most any receiver will do fine with the surrounds (70 watts or better from an established name brand like Yamaha, Onkyo, Marantz, etc), just make sure it has the pre-out. Figure the amp you buy to drive the 1030's will be essentially permanent, so get a nice one. The receiver will become obsolete on the video end (and audio end in the sense of improvements in Audyssey, etc), so especially for now, economize on the receiver and get a nice amp!

You may want to consider a used amp if money is tight. The technology is mature and has been for 3 decades!

 

[rukawa11]

ahhh thanks again guys for the abundant help, I've definitely learned a lot. So I will look for any old receiver with preouts and spend a decent amount on an amp. Two questions...
1. Why do you think the video end will be obsolete soon, is something newer than hdmi going to pop up soon?
2. I guess I might find a vintage amp on craigslist, any brands i should look for?

also, if you could recommend a cheaper receiver with preouts that has hdmi(or without hdmi if that would make it much cheaper, but still must have optical) support that would be much appreciated also.

 

[zumbo]

Just got back off my 2-day run, and am shocked by this.

First question. Why the 1030's?

The 830's measure better, and can be had for less. Also, if you look at German Maestro, you will see the 830 design is the design the company stuck with.

Top-of-the-line GM. ($4000)
http://www.german-maestro.de/US/ms_f_one.htm

The 1030's do not sound $500 better, if at all.

 

[zumbo]

I am using a Z7 as a pre-amp. I am certain it would perform well on it's own. I am so certain of it, I am considering selling my Adcom 7605.

A flagship model from Marantz, Denon, Yamaha, or Onkyo/Integra would work just fine. They would all have pre-outs for added amplification, if you decided more power was needed.

My statements for added amplification are just in terms of bringing the best out of the speakers. They can take plenty of power.

 

[zumbo]

Z7 is currently $1599.98 @6thave.

http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=YAMRXZ7BL

Audioholics Store doesn't show stock.

 

[zumbo]

6thave will price-match Pricegrabber.

$1469.00 on Pricegrabber.

All you have to do is call 6thave for the price-match.

http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/home-audio-receivers/yamaha+rx-z7/p/73/form_keyword=yamaha+rx-z7/rd=1/st=query/sv=search_top/

 

[rukawa11]

thanks zumbo, finally get to hear your inputs. I'm trying to spend less than 800 combined for the receiver/amp . I see that your statement about added amplification was just to substantiate the fact that it could take a lot of power. So you would say your adcom provides enough power if I'm not going to be blasting the music? also would you say the mb quartz are more of a bright or a warm speaker. that would lead me to be able to pick out a receiver brand to balance out as i hear harman kardon and denons tend to be warm while yamaha and onkyos tend to be bright

 

[zumbo]

thanks zumbo, finally get to hear your inputs. I'm trying to spend less than 800 combined for the receiver/amp . I see that your statement about added amplification was just to substantiate the fact that it could take a lot of power. So you would say your adcom provides enough power if I'm not going to be blasting the music?

Buy a discontinued(new) avr with pre-outs and a used 2 or 3 channel amp.

The Adcom is plenty, but also currently $1200. I wouldn't take less than $800 for mine.

 

[tjf120]

The Emotiva amps put out more than 200 W/ch into 4 ohm...the XPA-5 is 200 W x 5 into 8 ohm.....300 W x 5 into 4 ohm.

I own Emotiva, happy with them. You may spend more than your budget, unless you go used, you could probably pick up a budget receiver with preouts and an XPA-5.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Sunfire is the only thing I can think of in terms of 200wpc AVR:

http://www.sunfire.com/productdetail.asp?id=1

 

[Sylar]

I will be upgrading my fronts to the mb quartz qls1030, according to zumbo his qls830's can shutdown his 175 watt per channel amp(http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=798520&postcount=116). Yes i'd only need the 200+ for the fronts, what does that mean?

Isnt it easier to find a pair of fronts with 3-6 dB higher sensitivity & 8 ohm impedence??