No clue what I need/don't need - BeoSound 8000

Klaushouse

Klaushouse

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Hi there everyone!

I just moved out to a new house with my folks, and while leaving the house we were taking out my dad's BeoLab 8000, but it was wired through the wall into the BeoSound 9000. My dad being anti technology decided that the easiest solution(since the BeoSound 9000 was staying with old house, was mounted and not gonna come out without structural damage) was to cut the wires of the BeoLab and just bring them and plug them in to any normal Spring Clips for whatever and have them work. I am sure someone reading this is cringing.

Now in the new house, my dad got a new surround sound system for our home theater and has given them to me, and now I realize what kind of trouble he's put me in... mainly because I am no audio pro and any neat terminology I have used(IE Spring Clips ) I only know because I have been researching today what I need to do to fix them.

On the back for those who don't know is what I have come to find out is three things: the power socket, which is intact with power cable no problem, a(what I think) 8-Pin DIN Connector socket, this cable is the one that my dad cut, I still have the halves connected to the BeoLab, but I don't even know what was connected to the other side to be frank, whether another 8Pin or just a normal plug I haven't the slightest. And lastly a plug that looks to be to be a single Cinch socket, which says LINE on top of it.

What I want to use these for is hopefully TV/Wii/DVDs, and maybe possibly my PC, and kinda most important with the TV is Ipod. I don't know where to start and what I need, and I hope I am in the right section for this. My main problem is that 8-Pin cable, no clue what I want to buy, be it 8-Pin to something else. Do I need to buy a new box thing(you know, like on home theaters that play Ipods and plug into TV) or is this thing standalone and I can buy 8-Pin to whatever plugs sound into TV and the normal Ipod ones and have it work instantly. Also I heard the bass on this is weak, how would I go about attaching one to this?(I presume by buying the center thing for home theaters, if someone could give me the proper name it would be so appreciated I hate sounded retarded)

Anyways, any info would help, feel free to ask anything that would help. Or even if you know where I could find out all this or a better place to ask, really any info would help. These things from what I heard are like 3 grand and I really don't want them to go to waste!

Thanks, I really appreciate any help you guys would be kind enough to give me.

Klaushouse


ps I head "real" Audiophiles think anything B&O is crap, sorry if you think that. My parents bought it cause aesthetics go hand in hand with sound for them. Forgive me! xD

pps I know this isn't the right category but if anyone knows a cheap quality bass I could buy(key word cheap, I am not crazy enough to by beobass haha, I am poor) that would be good enough for my room to couple with the BeoLab would be appreciated.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Hi there everyone!

I just moved out to a new house with my folks, and while leaving the house we were taking out my dad's BeoLab 8000, but it was wired through the wall into the BeoSound 9000. My dad being anti technology decided that the easiest solution(since the BeoSound 9000 was staying with old house, was mounted and not gonna come out without structural damage) was to cut the wires of the BeoLab and just bring them and plug them in to any normal Spring Clips for whatever and have them work. I am sure someone reading this is cringing.

Now in the new house, my dad got a new surround sound system for our home theater and has given them to me, and now I realize what kind of trouble he's put me in... mainly because I am no audio pro and any neat terminology I have used(IE Spring Clips ) I only know because I have been researching today what I need to do to fix them.

On the back for those who don't know is what I have come to find out is three things: the power socket, which is intact with power cable no problem, a(what I think) 8-Pin DIN Connector socket, this cable is the one that my dad cut, I still have the halves connected to the BeoLab, but I don't even know what was connected to the other side to be frank, whether another 8Pin or just a normal plug I haven't the slightest. And lastly a plug that looks to be to be a single Cinch socket, which says LINE on top of it.

What I want to use these for is hopefully TV/Wii/DVDs, and maybe possibly my PC, and kinda most important with the TV is Ipod. I don't know where to start and what I need, and I hope I am in the right section for this. My main problem is that 8-Pin cable, no clue what I want to buy, be it 8-Pin to something else. Do I need to buy a new box thing(you know, like on home theaters that play Ipods and plug into TV) or is this thing standalone and I can buy 8-Pin to whatever plugs sound into TV and the normal Ipod ones and have it work instantly. Also I heard the bass on this is weak, how would I go about attaching one to this?(I presume by buying the center thing for home theaters, if someone could give me the proper name it would be so appreciated I hate sounded retarded)

Anyways, any info would help, feel free to ask anything that would help. Or even if you know where I could find out all this or a better place to ask, really any info would help. These things from what I heard are like 3 grand and I really don't want them to go to waste!

Thanks, I really appreciate any help you guys would be kind enough to give me.

Klaushouse


ps I head "real" Audiophiles think anything B&O is crap, sorry if you think that. My parents bought it cause aesthetics go hand in hand with sound for them. Forgive me! xD

pps I know this isn't the right category but if anyone knows a cheap quality bass I could buy(key word cheap, I am not crazy enough to by beobass haha, I am poor) that would be good enough for my room to couple with the BeoLab would be appreciated.
Those speakers are active speakers. B & O equipment is designed to work best when connected to the correct B & O units.

The DIN plug can only be used with B & O devices.

The speakers can be used after a fashion with non B & O equipment.

To play a DVD player you will need a preamp. (A power amp or speaker outputs of a receiver must NOT be used).

You set the slide switch on the speakers to line out.

Connect the RCA sockets at the bottom with RCA cables to the right and left preamp outputs respectively. Now plug in the mains plug. The speakers have an auto on and off circuit, so the preamp must ave sufficient drive to be able to switch the speakers on.

You could possibly power these speakers from the R & L outputs of a computer sound card, if it has enough drive. A good preamp is your best solution.

B & O give very little guidance as to how to use there gear with non B & O equipment.

The speakers do require the matching B & O sub to get any decent bass.

In my experience unless B & O is used with all their associated equipment results are compromised.

You wi
 
Klaushouse

Klaushouse

Enthusiast
Just to reiterate what I think you are saying, so to run the speakers I will need a preamp, and I will switch the little thing from the speakers (switch has three options: Left, Right, Line) to Line, and plug one speaker with white, one speaker with red, and plug those respective lines into the red/white on the preamp? And that preamp is then attached to a dvd player/tv/ipod/pc whatever and it will work? I read somewhere else about passive preamps, and that I could get high quality with much less expenses? I really don't get how any of this works, I still feel slightly confused.

Would you suggest a preamp or a passive preamp, and how much would each cost for a decent enough one that I am not wasting my speakers?

Also, is there anywhere that has some sort of charts or something to show me how they connect/what I need? Not something intense, just like shows speakers going into preamp and preamp into PC and the names of the plugs and whatnot. Sorry for all the questions, just hate for this to go to waste and really want to make sure I am getting the right thing for my speakers, I am spending the little money that I have trying to get these to work... :(

If anyone is available for a more indepth talk my MSN is ' klaushouse at gmail dot com ', would be useful to actually talk to someone in real time cause I have a million questions since I just started learning about audio equipment, well, yesterday.

Thanks for your reply!

Klaushouse
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Just to reiterate what I think you are saying, so to run the speakers I will need a preamp, and I will switch the little thing from the speakers (switch has three options: Left, Right, Line) to Line, and plug one speaker with white, one speaker with red, and plug those respective lines into the red/white on the preamp? And that preamp is then attached to a dvd player/tv/ipod/pc whatever and it will work? I read somewhere else about passive preamps, and that I could get high quality with much less expenses? I really don't get how any of this works, I still feel slightly confused.

Would you suggest a preamp or a passive preamp, and how much would each cost for a decent enough one that I am not wasting my speakers?

Also, is there anywhere that has some sort of charts or something to show me how they connect/what I need? Not something intense, just like shows speakers going into preamp and preamp into PC and the names of the plugs and whatnot. Sorry for all the questions, just hate for this to go to waste and really want to make sure I am getting the right thing for my speakers, I am spending the little money that I have trying to get these to work... :(

If anyone is available for a more indepth talk my MSN is ' klaushouse at gmail dot com ', would be useful to actually talk to someone in real time cause I have a million questions since I just started learning about audio equipment, well, yesterday.

Thanks for your reply!

Klaushouse
You need an active preamp, not a passive one, or a receiver with pre outs.

Your best bet is to ask the owners of your previous home to see if you can retrieve the B & O pre amp that was left behind.

B & O cater to a wealth crowd that like unobtrusive audio. All of their systems are really a package and when properly set up can sound superior.

The big issue for you is integrating a sub, which for those speakers is pretty much essential. The B & 0 unit does this. A two channel preamp will not have a line sub out. So you will really need a receiver with pre outs or an AV pre amp.

Unfortunately your father has created a difficult expensive situation.
 
M

markw

Audioholic Overlord
Odds are you're gonna need a pro to straighten it all out and that, combined with the hardware needed, will most likely make it not worth the effort.

Hindsight being 20/20, y'all would have been better off simply leaving it with the old house and starting fresh. Also, I find it strange that you left took the 8000 while leaving the BeoSound 9000 components. That's taking half the system. I'm surprised the new owners didn't have a problem with that if they paid for the system.

But, you can still cut your losses and start fresh.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
I was thinking about trying to get a replacement proprietary cable from B & O.
But it sounds like, as TLS & Mark mentioned, you've left half the system behind too.
 
Klaushouse

Klaushouse

Enthusiast
Yeah I am in a bad predicament, I am really not in a position to start from scratch, really only have these cause my dad was nice enough to give them to me, I don't have money to be buying a sound system anyways. How much do you guys think a preamp would run me, and do I need any special type of Active Preamp or will any do? Really my option is to work with these speakers or have nothing. Even if the sound quality isn't as perfect as it would be with a B&O system, it's genuinely better than nothing, right? D:
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Yeah I am in a bad predicament, I am really not in a position to start from scratch, really only have these cause my dad was nice enough to give them to me, I don't have money to be buying a sound system anyways. How much do you guys think a preamp would run me, and do I need any special type of Active Preamp or will any do? Really my option is to work with these speakers or have nothing. Even if the sound quality isn't as perfect as it would be with a B&O system, it's genuinely better than nothing, right? D:
You need a pre amp that I would imagine gives at least a volt output at the specified input voltages, with a head room of 10 to 15 volts before clipping.

Your problem is these speakers have to be driven from the right source or you will have absolutely nothing. They are not like other speakers at all.

I would look for a used pre amp on eBay and Audiogon. If I get a chance I will look around. This is going to cost you some money for a unit with the specs required

Without a sub you will not have much bass from those speakers as they are so slim. They are not a rock speaker. If you try and crank rock out of them you will destroy them. So your music selection has an impact as to whether you should try and use them or sell them on eBay.

A big problem is that as these speakers are conceived as part of a total integrated design. B & O publish little technical information about them, so there will be a lot of educated guesses, at least on my part.

However, if I can guide you to a pre amp with plenty of output, I think we can make it work. Just don't expect much bass or punch.

One of the big unknowns is whether there is some built in Eq to the B & O pre amp. Based on B & O philosophy, this is quite likely, particularly in the matter of sub integration.
 
Klaushouse

Klaushouse

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Well B&O have definitely turned me off of any of their other products, I hate it when a company makes **** so incompatible so that you are almost forced to use their stuff solely.

I appreciate all the help, really.

I'll keep my eyes out for a good enough pre-amp, if you see anything just gimme a holler cause I don't want to go and buy something not strong enough. As for what the speakers have inside of them I am not 100% sure but I know it's a fair bit, cause I don't think you have to buy the speakers and the set together, so I presume they are quality standalone somewhat.

I cant seem to find actual specifications though, you think if I called them up they would give me them? :p

Haha anyways I will keep on looking, will post if I find anything!


beophile dot com/?page_id=865

Dont suppose that link helps? I guess that's just obvious stuff. :(


EDIT: forums dot sonos dot com/archive/index.php?t-2983.html

This is useful too, I know I am getting this wrong and you will explain why but doesn't active speaker mean I don't need a preamp? Sorry, I just seek to not only make these work but to actually start understanding audio terms, cause it's really hard to be a learner in this, it seems everyone is either an expert or knows nothing, hard to become one! :p
 
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TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Well B&O have definitely turned me off of any of their other products, I hate it when a company makes **** so incompatible so that you are almost forced to use their stuff solely.

I appreciate all the help, really.

I'll keep my eyes out for a good enough pre-amp, if you see anything just gimme a holler cause I don't want to go and buy something not strong enough. As for what the speakers have inside of them I am not 100% sure but I know it's a fair bit, cause I don't think you have to buy the speakers and the set together, so I presume they are quality standalone somewhat.

I cant seem to find actual specifications though, you think if I called them up they would give me them? :p

Haha anyways I will keep on looking, will post if I find anything!


beophile dot com/?page_id=865

Dont suppose that link helps? I guess that's just obvious stuff. :(


EDIT: forums dot sonos dot com/archive/index.php?t-2983.html

This is useful too, I know I am getting this wrong and you will explain why but doesn't active speaker mean I don't need a preamp? Sorry, I just seek to not only make these work but to actually start understanding audio terms, cause it's really hard to be a learner in this, it seems everyone is either an expert or knows nothing, hard to become one! :p
An Active speaker means you need a pre amp but not a power amp.

Most speakers just have drivers and passive crossover components.
So they don't plug into an AC outlet.

Now your speakers take the output from the preamp and then use active crossovers built from op amp chips that need power. Then the individual filter outputs are sent to individual power amps, one for each pass band in each speaker. Then the power amps are directly connected to the speaker drivers responsible for reproducing that pass band. That is actually the best way of designing a speaker but it is not common. There is also a circuit that detects the incoming signal, if of sufficient voltage, and it turns on the active crossovers and power amps. There is also a timer to switch it off after a period of no signal. That is why they are complex and very expensive.

Now B & O cater to a wealthy crowd, from marketing surveys largely women, who just want a good total system installed. The designer never considered this a system for a kid to use on the cheap. It was not on his radar. That is a perfectly valid design approach even if it is bad news for you.

Now cutting edge aesthetics has always been a feature of B & O gear. That also demands unusual design approaches. They are not like Bose who just deliver bad sound and high visual design appeal.

The other factor in this preamp, I think it will have to be a low source impedance preamp because of the length of the cables to the speakers.

I have actually heard those speakers properly set up with subs B & O throughout, and while not the top of the mountain, they have a superior and satisfying sound. Here are you options to make them work properly.

First to make them sound good and prevent damage, I would say a sub is mandatory.

You then need either an AV receiver with pre outs, or an AV preamp.

Your other option is a sub plus electronic crossover to go between a good two channel pre amp the speakers and the sub.

Now those speakers are certainly worth money. To someone with the resources you lack, they could build a superior system round them.

At your level of financial resources, and experience, the more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to advise you to get your money out of those speakers and put the funds into something else.

In all honesty those speakers probably need 1 to 2 K thrown at the problem.

If there is any chance at all you could retrieve the B & O unit from the current owners that is by far your best option. The device is now useless to them unless they purchase your speakers. Even if you have to pay to have the unit removed it will likely be your cheapest option.

I think I have an old Rotel AV preamp in storage. If you want I will look for it, put it on the bench and see if would be in any way suitable for your needs.
 
Klaushouse

Klaushouse

Enthusiast
Right now my plan is now to bring them back to the old place and give them back to the new owner of the house. Mainly doing this because if I do that my dad will fund a sound system for me, but I don't have much money to work with still. I guess I should just make a new thread for what kind of sound system I should get, or would you rather I just tell you what kind of money I am working with/what I would use it for/kind of music I listen to and whatever you need to know? :p
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Right now my plan is now to bring them back to the old place and give them back to the new owner of the house. Mainly doing this because if I do that my dad will fund a sound system for me, but I don't have much money to work with still. I guess I should just make a new thread for what kind of sound system I should get, or would you rather I just tell you what kind of money I am working with/what I would use it for/kind of music I listen to and whatever you need to know? :p
We need to see the money and your musical preferences.

If the new owners are tone deaf and not interested in high quality sound I would try and negotiate for the B & O preamp. That will be your best bet. On your budget you won't match the performance with anyhting else for that money, and you can save for a sub.

The new owners will still need the DIN to DIN cable, which you will they will have to get from B & O. I could make one if I know the length. The pin configurations are a DIN standard so that is no problem.
 
Klaushouse

Klaushouse

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I have decided that I would rather get something that I can slowly build up and when I have cash, get bits and pieces that are better and better. My musical preferences are quite varied, I love classical to Pink Floyd to Rolling Stones to Queen to Eminem/50 Cent to Techno. I am pretty sure that gives you nothing to work with, as for price, what would be the cheapest setup you can think of that wouldn't be so bad that I couldn't bear listening to the music? I really want to start at the bottom of the barrel and lets say I get some money and want to buy a new sub woof I could easily upgrade, then one day it's Christmas and I get some money for new speakers and such. Does it work that way? :S

If so, I'd like to start at the bottom, cause even though it might take me 3 years to get a good setup, I would feel good about it because a) I would slowly make it exactly what I want, and b) I would be learning about all this audio stuff along the way, and hopefully by the time I can afford nice things I will know exactly what I want/need!
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
I have decided that I would rather get something that I can slowly build up and when I have cash, get bits and pieces that are better and better. My musical preferences are quite varied, I love classical to Pink Floyd to Rolling Stones to Queen to Eminem/50 Cent to Techno. I am pretty sure that gives you nothing to work with, as for price, what would be the cheapest setup you can think of that wouldn't be so bad that I couldn't bear listening to the music? I really want to start at the bottom of the barrel and lets say I get some money and want to buy a new sub woof I could easily upgrade, then one day it's Christmas and I get some money for new speakers and such. Does it work that way? :S

If so, I'd like to start at the bottom, cause even though it might take me 3 years to get a good setup, I would feel good about it because a) I would slowly make it exactly what I want, and b) I would be learning about all this audio stuff along the way, and hopefully by the time I can afford nice things I will know exactly what I want/need!
In that case you buy two of the best speakers you can afford and drive them with a good vintage two channel receiver.
 
Klaushouse

Klaushouse

Enthusiast
Ok, cool, thanks for the advice. Any suggestions for a good quality vintage receiver I should be on the lookout for?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Ok, cool, thanks for the advice. Any suggestions for a good quality vintage receiver I should be on the lookout for?
Not really, I have always been a separates guy, and have never owned a receiver. Unfortunately even good vintage separates are likely beyond your budget.

If we had a budget it would make things easier.
 
Klaushouse

Klaushouse

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Well when it comes to an actual budget my dad is being veeeeery vague, trying to get an actual number out of him cause it would be very useful. I'll try and get back to you on that sometime. I know I keep asking you these very difficult questions, but even just any decent receiver to start off with costs around what? Don't need exact number just a ballpark estimate. And when you say speakers, what am I looking for? Just normal loudspeakers?

Thanks again, really hope you realize how much I appreciate all the help you've been giving, you have gone way out of your way to help me and it's means a lot to me.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Well when it comes to an actual budget my dad is being veeeeery vague, trying to get an actual number out of him cause it would be very useful. I'll try and get back to you on that sometime. I know I keep asking you these very difficult questions, but even just any decent receiver to start off with costs around what? Don't need exact number just a ballpark estimate. And when you say speakers, what am I looking for? Just normal loudspeakers?

Thanks again, really hope you realize how much I appreciate all the help you've been giving, you have gone way out of your way to help me and it's means a lot to me.
You need to make some basic decisions.

Will this system remain as a two channel audio system?

Will it progress to a sub?

Will it progress to and AV system?

There are a lot of factors unknown to us like your room layout and furnishings.

You need to make these decisions first, and then carefully pick your speakers preferably by auditioning.

After that decisions can be made about powering and facilities.
 
Klaushouse

Klaushouse

Enthusiast
Wow, so many decisions to make haha. How many channels can you get/what is the difference?

I would like to get a sub someday when I have the cash, that is definitely what I am saving up for next.

I am not quite sure what an AV system entails, but I am sure I will want to turn this into a crazy system I use for everything including movies probably, but that's far in the future when I am not a strapping poor young struggling student!

Right now my room I would have them in is small, and decently furnished, if it would help I could take a few snapshots of my room to give you an idea? I will definitely be moving in the future though so I would obviously get something that will accommodate my speakers.


ps looked at your setup pictures, and my draw jettisoned so far onto the floor that it reamed my toe, caused inner bleeding, and I had to have it amputated.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Wow, so many decisions to make haha. How many channels can you get/what is the difference?

I would like to get a sub someday when I have the cash, that is definitely what I am saving up for next.

I am not quite sure what an AV system entails, but I am sure I will want to turn this into a crazy system I use for everything including movies probably, but that's far in the future when I am not a strapping poor young struggling student!

Right now my room I would have them in is small, and decently furnished, if it would help I could take a few snapshots of my room to give you an idea? I will definitely be moving in the future though so I would obviously get something that will accommodate my speakers.


ps looked at your setup pictures, and my draw jettisoned so far onto the floor that it reamed my toe, caused inner bleeding, and I had to have it amputated.
After licking your wounds I would do some serious reading on audio and AV systems.

You have two choices a two channel system and good stereo speakers. Or to get an AV receiver, you need to be around $500 or so, to get anything worthwhile. Then start with two speakers. Add a sub and then a center channel and then the four surround channels.

I would start by selecting to good stereo speakers and then plan from there.
If you want to develop skills learn how to design and build your own speakers. I built my first speaker age 7. You can't start soon enough.
 
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