Need help. all new stuff and it looks bad

[ematthews]

New Panasonic 54 Plasma s series
Onkyo 805 rec
Sony PS3
Klipsch ref 82 frons 62 center Martin logan sub
Cheap HDMI cables

The TV is 2 weeks old and the other stuff is a few months old. The tv with a BD disc looks very grainy and almost blurry. Not sharp and clear. I am not sure whats going on. The sound is good although it seems I have to turn the volumn up to 72 to sound good.
What to I do with this tv. It should look crystal clear. My 42 Sony LCD is much more clear than this tv. Will it look better after break in?
Please note that i have run the Plasma break in DVD for about 6 hours on it as well. Help...

 

[krzywica]

Have you calibrated the TV with a Setup disk?

You may also want to try and connect using component or another HDMI cable. Even uncalibrated the TV should not look blurry.

 

[highfigh]

New Panasonic 54 Plasma s series
Onkyo 805 rec
Sony PS3
Klipsch ref 82 frons 62 center Martin logan sub
Cheap HDMI cables

The TV is 2 weeks old and the other stuff is a few months old. The tv with a BD disc looks very grainy and almost blurry. Not sharp and clear. I am not sure whats going on. The sound is good although it seems I have to turn the volumn up to 72 to sound good.
What to I do with this tv. It should look crystal clear. My 42 Sony LCD is much more clear than this tv. Will it look better after break in?
Please note that i have run the Plasma break in DVD for about 6 hours on it as well. Help...

If the disc wasn't BlueRay to begin with, it won't be as sharp as one that is. Describe the signal path from each source to the receiver and TV. Have you tried a different cable? The expensive ones aren't usually worth the extra money but a cheap one won't necessarily look great.

 

[3db]

New Panasonic 54 Plasma s series
Onkyo 805 rec
Sony PS3
Klipsch ref 82 frons 62 center Martin logan sub
Cheap HDMI cables

The TV is 2 weeks old and the other stuff is a few months old. The tv with a BD disc looks very grainy and almost blurry. Not sharp and clear. I am not sure whats going on. The sound is good although it seems I have to turn the volumn up to 72 to sound good.
What to I do with this tv. It should look crystal clear. My 42 Sony LCD is much more clear than this tv. Will it look better after break in?
Please note that i have run the Plasma break in DVD for about 6 hours on it as well. Help...

Please tell us how you have things interconnected. I.e. Is your player's viseo connected directly to the tV or is it going through the recevier? What are video settings set to for each device? How do you have the speakers connected up? These are things we need to know to help you out.

 

[Davemcc]

Check your output resolution settings in the receiver and BD player. Make sure the player is at 1080p. Sometimes, it's best to leave the receiver in pass through mode.

 

[ematthews]

not sure on all the settings. The HDMI cables were about 17.00 from BJ's club.
I will check it out. I am very upset with the turn out.

I am running one one HDMI from the PS3 to the Onkyo rec in and one out to the TV. That's all the cables.

My last system with a Pioneer SACD dvd player running through the same Receiver with componet looked better. It was on a Samsung 50 Plasma.

Could it be the TV. It seem like the small dots are bouncing alll over the place when you look at it up close.

 

[jostenmeat]

Assuming the bouncing small dots are indeed part of the source material, does it matter that you can only see them when you are up close? Realize that grain is part and parcel of film.

Please search my posts in the TV subforum for a PDF guide that will help you apply SM offsets to that TV. Nibhaz has also posted a much shorter, diluted version of the same PDF.

I have zero experience with the PS3, but I have reason to believe that it is worth playing with the "Superwhite" setting. I can't remember if it's better to have it on or off, but that it might even have more relevance with the Onkyo 805. Speaking of which, you can also search within the 805 thread at AVS, and I'd look for the specific posts of one person named BasicBlak.

Does your Samsung apply 3:2 to film? What about the Sony (and does it use FI as well)? Because the S1 applies 3:2 for sure. There may only be a slight difference, but see if 24p is set to on in your PS3, and whatever the setting might currently be, try both. Oh yeah, I believe that the PS3 can actually force 24p unlike some other standalone BDPs. Anyways, just brain-storming.

Again, I doubt there will be much difference, but try the HDMI straight from player to Panasonic. If there is a significant difference, please refer to the Superwhite experiment when connecting with 805.

Lastly, I know at least for the G & V series, there is an update for HDCP specifically with Onkyo, and I believe that FW is named 1.25. There has been some argument whether FW is cumulative, and it's also stated that you have to directly ask for this FW, because Pana doesn't want people that don't even own Onkyo to mistakenly dl the FW for nothing. However, your issue doesn't seem to have anything to do at all with HDCP, and I decided to keep blabbering, er, brain-storming . . .

 

[ematthews]

The only thing I do know is that the PS3 is set to 24fps.
I am new to a lot of this HD stuff, so it may take a while to figure it out.
I think it's funny how the Samsung Tv with the Pioneer SACD player running on componet cable looked better. I thought I was stepping up with the TV and PS3 with HDMI..

 

[highfigh]

The only thing I do know is that the PS3 is set to 24fps.
I am new to a lot of this HD stuff, so it may take a while to figure it out.
I think it's funny how the Samsung Tv with the Pioneer SACD player running on componet cable looked better. I thought I was stepping up with the TV and PS3 with HDMI..

Try setting it to 30fps. 24fps is only for film-based movies and 30fps is the frame rate for all US electronic video recording. The settings of the TV, PS3 and everything else can add up to make the video look bad. Try the component cables to see if it looks better- if it does, return the HDMI cable and get one that's rated for HDMI 1.3 at that length.

The Samsung looked better but you need to realize that you didn't change only one thing- you changed at least three.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Something is wrong for sure. A Panny display and PS3 looks great, just look in my bedroom and you can see.

Start with the cable like the guys above said and we can work from there.

You are not watching "300" as your first test movie are you?

 

[ematthews]

PS3 will not run on component
Movies I have watched are Serenity and the new Harry potter.

 

[ematthews]

The 805 does not have a pass through function like the 875
What to do now?
Is it better to have the video come from the PS3 or the Receiver?
Looks like I have no choice but have the receiver do it if this is the case.

I also read that the 805 will only upconvert to 720p. Is this true?

 

[jostenmeat]

The 805 does not have a pass through function like the 875

Where on Earth are you getting this information from? Link it for me. I just want to know that my 805 is abnormal in that it has been passing 1080/24, and 1080/60 for that matter, perfectly fine for the last two years.

What to do now?

Reread the posts that have been supplied to you. For my own previous post, have you yet disabled 24p, and played with the Superwhite setting?

Is it better to have the video come from the PS3 or the Receiver?
Looks like I have no choice but have the receiver do it if this is the case.

The receiver cannot be a video source, so it must come from the PS3. If your question is if the receiver be in the chain at all, then my vote is absolutely yes, so that you may possibly enjoy mch lossless audio tracks.

I also read that the 805 will only upconvert to 720p. Is this true?

Upconversion of non-HDMI inputs has been one of the sore spots of that generation of Onkyo receivers. However, I've never seen it in action, as my own Onkyo has only ever seen native hi-def sources via HDMI.


*I will no longer help you again in this thread, until, at the bare minimum, it is clearly obvious to me that you have played with the settings of 24p, Superwhite, and basic TV calibration.

 

[ematthews]

My information is from the Onkyo hand book. I can not see were you set the receiver to pass through. Sorry for my ignorance...

How do I change my PS3 off 24fps... I tried and it's the only selection on that choice. Help me again.........

I turned the super white on in the PS3....

Waiting to look at any video until this weekend while I have a chance to play with it. I work to late into the evening...

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Ok, I took a quick look at my PS3 settings and jotted them down for you. I don't remember why I selected everything this way but I am sure there was a reason that I researched a couple of years ago when I set it up. It looks awesome so I never jacked with it again.

Under 'settings"
Display settings
Video output- 1080p
cross color reduction-0ff
RGB full range-full
Super white-on

Settings
Video settings
BD/DVD Cinema conversion-auto
BD/DVD Video output-auto
BD 1080p 24hz-auto
BD/DVD DYNAMIC RANGE-off

I turn all processing off on my AVR.

Hope this helps.

 

[phlakvest]

Potentially crazy idea.

Plug the ps3 directly into the TV. Does it look the same or better?

This will isolate the problem to see if the reciever is the culprit, or the tv or ps3.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

That's a smart way to start.

Potentially crazy idea.

Plug the ps3 directly into the TV. Does it look the same or better?

This will isolate the problem to see if the reciever is the culprit, or the tv or ps3.

 

[ematthews]

Thanks for the help all
I will do the direct plug in this weekend. It it turns out to be the receiver
can you do a direct hdmi to the tv for picture and still use the rec for sound.
I think you can. What connection is best for sound to the receiver. Digital coax
or optical?

I will give some feed back after my test runs.

 

[jostenmeat]

Again, I doubt there will be much difference, but try the HDMI straight from player to Panasonic. If there is a significant difference, please refer to the Superwhite experiment when connecting with 805.

Potentially crazy idea.

Plug the ps3 directly into the TV. Does it look the same or better?

This will isolate the problem to see if the reciever is the culprit, or the tv or ps3.

That's a smart way to start.

It it turns out to be the receiver
can you do a direct hdmi to the tv for picture . . .

Again, I doubt there will be much difference, but try the HDMI straight from player to Panasonic. If there is a significant difference, please refer to the Superwhite experiment when connecting with 805.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . What connection is best for sound to the receiver. Digital coax
or optical?

The receiver cannot be a video source, so it must come from the PS3. If your question is if the receiver be in the chain at all, then my vote is absolutely yes, so that you may possibly enjoy mch lossless audio tracks.

 

[phlakvest]

When you do the direct connection test try both HDMI cables and see if there is a difference.

I run a ps3 through an 805 reciever with no issues.


As for optical vs coax. They are the same signal, different cable type. No audible difference.