Professor Gates vs. Officer Crowley

[highfigh]

Remember, the officer on the beat doesn't get to hear the 911 call.

Were the suitcases on the porch when the police arrived?

Did she share her concerns that it "might not" be a break-in with the officer on the scene?

I tend to think that she's changing her story to cover her ***.

Aso, it it interesting that, as she says she was just driving by, that she stuck it out for the entire show.

The radio isn't transmitting at all times, either. He did say that the occupant was uncooperative, immediately after arriving. Then, he requested a call to Hahvahd University police.

I'd like to hear more of the TX from Crowley.

 

[markw]

Funny thing...

The radio isn't transmitting at all times, either. He did say that the occupant was uncooperative, immediately after arriving. Then, he requested a call to Hahvahd University police.

I'd like to hear more of the TX from Crowley.

All things considered, what does it matter if the 911 caller identified them as black or not?

He was. Since when is being accurate be wrong?

Does that mean they shouldn't have responded then? Or simply that the officer shouldn't have ID'd the guy inside the house because he was black?

This looks more and more like a racist ploy on the part of Gates and his high-ranking co-conspiritor.

The only one here who deserves an apology is Officer Crowley.

Here's a fresh take on this thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxM8cwosjew

 

[highfigh]

All things considered, what does it matter if the 911 caller identified them as black or not?

He was. Since when is being accurate be wrong?

Does that mean they shouldn't have responded then? Or simply that the officer shouldn't have ID'd the guy inside the house because he was black?

This looks more and more like a racist ploy on the part of Gates and his high-ranking co-conspiritor.

The only one here who deserves an apology is Officer Crowley.

Here's a fresh take on this thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxM8cwosjew

If the person taking the call, the dispatcher (not the same as the one who tool the 911 call or the officer has a boas that's known to whomever sends them to the call, it would be a huge problem. The woman who called said he may be Hispanic, but the 911 operator asked if they were black. If only certain officers were sent to deal with blacks, others for Hispanics and others for whites, etc, it would be almost like having a force of specialists, for all of the wrong reasons.

My point was that the recordings in that link don't tell the whole story and have large gaps, which means a lot of information is missing.

 

[markw]

And, what do you have to say about the link I posted.

If the person taking the call, the dispatcher (not the same as the one who tool the 911 call or the officer has a boas that's known to whomever sends them to the call, it would be a huge problem. The woman who called said he may be Hispanic, but the 911 operator asked if they were black. If only certain officers were sent to deal with blacks, others for Hispanics and others for whites, etc, it would be almost like having a force of specialists, for all of the wrong reasons.

My point was that the recordings in that link don't tell the whole story and have large gaps, which means a lot of information is missing.

I would have think his input on the real issues here rated a comment.

 

[highfigh]

I would have think his input on the real issues here rated a comment.

I think it rates a comment but I would like to hear the whole exchange of transmissions. Under 5 minutes isn't the whole thing and I don't like seeing snippets when so much can be heard in the remaining chatter. Crowley did say that Gates was uncooperative pretty early on, too. There were at least two people between the caller and Crowley in this, too. That's like the childrens' game called 'Telephone', where someone tells the first kid something and they repeat it around a circle until it bears almost no resemblance to the original.

 

[highfigh]

All things considered, what does it matter if the 911 caller identified them as black or not?

He was. Since when is being accurate be wrong?

Does that mean they shouldn't have responded then? Or simply that the officer shouldn't have ID'd the guy inside the house because he was black?

This looks more and more like a racist ploy on the part of Gates and his high-ranking co-conspiritor.

The only one here who deserves an apology is Officer Crowley.

Here's a fresh take on this thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxM8cwosjew

As I posted, I really hate when the race card comes out immediately after an incident, before the interested parties have a chance to be heard and often, the card is thrown out by people who weren't even there. Like this one. For the POTUS to do it is disgraceful, especially since he has been called a community organizer. Unfortunately, that moniker usually means something other than what many would like.

 

[markw]

As for that link...

I think it rates a comment but I would like to hear the whole exchange of transmissions. Under 5 minutes isn't the whole thing and I don't like seeing snippets when so much can be heard in the remaining chatter. Crowley did say that Gates was uncooperative pretty early on, too. There were at least two people between the caller and Crowley in this, too. That's like the childrens' game called 'Telephone', where someone tells the first kid something and they repeat it around a circle until it bears almost no resemblance to the original.

I'd say that's about as level-headed explanation of the situation there's gonna be.

It matters not what the woman who made the call said or didn't say as to the perp;s color. She reported a possibe B & E and a cop had to respond. If she wasn't sure, she didn't want a coop to investigate it, she should not have reported it.

Point blank, Gates was in the house and he was black? So, where 's the beef?

To paraphrase, he said there are still problems with racism and it should be dealt with ...when it's there. ...and, as he also said, in this case it was NOT there.

Also, he implies that the professor might have reacted differently if he were sent in instead of the white guy. So, I guess that racism is not only a trait of white people. And, he also said that if Gates pulled the same shiite on him, he would have arrested him, too.

Crying "racial discrimination" every time a black man is arrested for his own arrogance and/or stupidity is going to wipe out a lot of the gains that have been made in the past. Having the president stand behind these actions is certainly not helping, either.

As the other cop says he said, there were no race issues involved here, and the good professor's actions made him worthy of being arrested. What the lady said is immaterial in relation to that loud-mouthed racist professor's actions.

Notice, Gates was the one that assumed the caller was white; Gates was the one that threw his race on the table instead of simply providing his info as requested.

Gates was the one that followed the cop outside, making a scene and made it a public issue, not to mention that "yo momma" statement. C'mon, why not act like the stereotype you say should be abolished, whydoncha? Is that what he teaches in his classes?

As far as I can see, this is a case of a white guy being mugged by two back men, only they have college degrees and suits and are using their skin color instead of guns or knives.

 

[rnatalli]

One thing is for sure, Crowley has a lousy memory. Men became black men and suitcases became backpacks.

 

[markw]

Where did crowley mention seeing either backpacks or suitcases?

One thing is for sure, Crowley has a lousy memory. Men became black men and suitcases became backpacks.

Did you hear what the woman told crowley in person? And, unless Gates isn't black, what's the difference?

I wouldn't be too quick to comment on others memory problems if I were you.

 

[rnatalli]

I wouldn't be too quick to comment on others memory problems if I were you.

My bad. It's clear I have a strong disdain for police in general that's clouding my view. In my eyes, a police officer who arrests an elder person in their own home for being disorderly is scum. I guess it's my Italian mentality coming through which is the police represent the enemy. Funny thing is, police in Italy are far more polite.

 

[Davemcc]

In my eyes, a police officer who arrests an elder person in their own home for being disorderly is scum.

A person being disorderly on their front porch getting arrested is the law.

 

[highfigh]

One thing is for sure, Crowley has a lousy memory. Men became black men and suitcases became backpacks.

They became black when the dispatcher called them. The 911 operator repeatedly asked if they were black, too.

 

[bandphan]

My bad. It's clear I have a strong disdain for police in general that's clouding my view. In my eyes, a police officer who arrests an elder person in their own home for being disorderly is scum. I guess it's my Italian mentality coming through which is the police represent the enemy. Funny thing is, police in. Italy are far more polite.

That disdain is clearly clouded your POV on this case. Calling gates an elder is like calling me a kid. Did you read what was on his college application? The word whitey comes up


And while things could have been done differently on both parties its clear that only one party was in the wrong from the get go.

 

[highfigh]

My bad. It's clear I have a strong disdain for police in general that's clouding my view. In my eyes, a police officer who arrests an elder person in their own home for being disorderly is scum. I guess it's my Italian mentality coming through which is the police represent the enemy. Funny thing is, police in Italy are far more polite.

He's not that old.

Police in Italy don't have the level or frequency of crime we have here in the US, except in isolated incidents.

I'll go on record as saying the "If it feels good, do it" attitude is why we're in deep shyte. People who don't acknowledge or don't care that actions have consequences will do what they want, when they want. People who want what someone else has and doesn't respect property rights of others, will steal or rob. People who are either absolutely desperate or don't value life, will kill or injure others. This "I don't discipline my kids" c-rap has to stop. Gates has 6 years on me and I can't believe what kinds of things people do to each other and it has gotten far worse in only about 40 years.

 

[rnatalli]

Police in Italy don't have the level or frequency of crime we have here in the US, except in isolated incidents.

There's more petty crime in Italy, but less serious stuff like rape and murder. Why that's the case is a question in itself.

I guess what I'm sick of in this country is being neutered by the man. Police tell you to do something, you have to do it. Phone company screws you, tough. The company for which you worked all your life lays you off so the big wig can keep his yacht, life sucks. Someone uses your SSN, too bad. This isn't a liberal or conservative issue. I'm just sick of it.

 

[rnatalli]

That disdain is clearly clouded your POV on this case.

That and I'm a Harvard grad so don't like seeing one of my own getting arrested.

 

[bandphan]

That and I'm a Harvard grad so don't like seeing one of my own getting arrested.

So if he was a serial killer, that brotherhood would hold water

 

[markw]

Interesting...

That and I'm a Harvard grad so don't like seeing one of my own getting arrested.

Yet you don't seem to have a problem with his acting like a loudmouth, racist sphincter.

 

[Nemo128]

Both sides are too easily and too quickly dismissing the other. Both sides have valid issues, yet it all boils down in the end to "he's right" and "he's wrong".

How bout, there are much deeper implications here than simply one person being completely right and the other being completely wrong, since neither of them is either of those. The factual truth of what transpired will always elude us.

 

[rnatalli]

Yet you don't seem to have a problem with his acting like a loudmouth, racist sphincter.

I don't see racism on his part or the officer's. Everyone acts like a loudmouth at one time or another.