He counter-offered on the Carver and it was more than I wanted to spend so that's out. I went to bid on the 545 and realized payment was only money order or check so that's out. One rotel sold and the other is now pending.
I just reread the A500 thread started by WmAx and just don't get a warm and fuzzy with it, plus the looks just don't do it for me. I'm going to sit on it for today and decide if the UPA-2 is what I want, it does come with a warranty which is a plus over the used models I'm looking at.