O.K., will this work...

[crimsondave]

I bought a Denon 2309ci and am going to set it up as a 5.1 with 2 speakers in another room for music.

I do not want to spend a ton of money on the speakers for this room. I kinda like the MTX tp212 for the price. These are just for music. My question is since these are 4 ohm speakers, will I have a problem pushing them at high volumn?

Sorry if this is a dumb question.

 

[lsiberian]

I bought a Denon 2309ci and am going to set it up as a 5.1 with 2 speakers in another room for music.

I do not want to spend a ton of money on the speakers for this room. I kinda like the MTX tp212 for the price. These are just for music. My question is since these are 4 ohm speakers, will I have a problem pushing them at high volumn?

Sorry if this is a dumb question.

Dumb would be to buy it without asking. I don't see how that receiver would have a good enough power supply to handle a 4 ohm load. I suggest you get an external 2 channel amp.

http://emotiva.com/upa2.shtm seems to be decent choice for your budget.
For your receiver look for the features you want or need at the best price possible. Among Onkyo, Marantz, Yamaha, and Denon. I have an Onkyo 705 and it's very good for most home theater setups and includes pre-amp outputs. Others may suggest other brands.

 

[lsiberian]

FYI those speakers are very Bass heavy IMO.

 

[Adam]

While the Denon manual gives power output at 4 Ohms, the back panel states ranges for the speakers at 6-16 Ohms. It might not have a problem with those speakers, but I tend to agree with lsiberian as it might be risky - especially at high volumes.

Were you planning on hooking them up to the assignable amp outputs, or to the "B" speaker terminals? If hooking to the "B" terminals was the plan, then I would say definitely do not do that as 4 Ohms would be too low for that.

 

[AVRat]

Not sure what you're trying to accomplish, but you'll achieve better quality sound with these: http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/cbm170/cbm170.html

 

[lsiberian]

Not sure what you're trying to accomplish, but you'll achieve better quality sound with these: http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/cbm170/cbm170.html

Agreed.

There are many other superior speakers, but I think he just wants lots of loud bass.

 

[lsiberian]

Why not give us a budget and your goals? Maybe we can help you put together a better system.

 

[crimsondave]

Why not give us a budget and your goals? Maybe we can help you put together a better system.

$400 ish for the pair. Obviously has to run off the Denon. What about a pair of Cerwin Vega VE-12s?

 

[lsiberian]

$400 ish for the pair. Obviously has to run off the Denon. What about a pair of Cerwin Vega VE-12s?

The MTX's won't run off the Denon and they are not really designed for home use IMO.

If you want to use a standard receiver. Then you should get a pair of bookshelves and a sub. IMO. I know at that budget you have very few options, but I still think if you really want bass a sub+bookshelf might give you better results.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/KEFIQ5BLK/KEF/iQ5-3-Way-5.25-Tower-Speaker-in-Black-Pair/1.html

The above speakers are great towers going for an unreal price. However the response is very flat compared to an MTX which is bass heavy.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/KEFIQ3BLKA/KEF/iQ3-2-Way-6.5-Bookshelf-Speakers-in-Black-Pair-NEW/1.html

Those are really good bookshelves but if you favor the upper midrange then you can look at iQ1s

http://www.svsound.com/products-spks-scs01.cfm is another bookshelf option.

Infinity Beta 20s would also work(ebay really cheap if you were cheating on the budget they may be the way to go.

The above are ID deals. If you have a local home theater place try to audition some bookshelves. If you find one that's perfect in your budget then go for it.

3-way speakers should always be considered 4ohm even if they claim an 8ohm rating. As a result you need an amp that can handle 4ohms stably. I suggest an actual amp for this. If you can afford an 805 it can probably handle 4ohm speakers well.

Are your goals lots of bass for hip-hop? Or do you want accurate sound for a wide variety of music?

 

[crimsondave]

Are your goals lots of bass for hip-hop? Or do you want accurate sound for a wide variety of music?[/QUOTE]

Not looking for a real clear sound here. I'll be mostly playing Hard Rock/Metal with some hip hop. Party stuff.

 

[lsiberian]

Are your goals lots of bass for hip-hop? Or do you want accurate sound for a wide variety of music?

Not looking for a real clear sound here. I'll be mostly playing Hard Rock/Metal with some hip hop. Party stuff.[/QUOTE]

I think towers would be better for rock IMO. Those MTX's probably would be best for hip hop.

So are you just wanting to use the receiver for parties and music or are you wanting to use it for movies too?

 

[BoB/335]

I have a 2309 I bought just before Christmas. I am planning on running 4ohm tower speakers for my HT and am expecting NO PROBLEMS. Go and ask your question on the Axiom forum and you will find that the many there seem to use Denon AVR's to power 4ohm speakers and some of them have models below the 2309.
Of course I didn't take their word for it so I called Denon Tech Support and they told me it would only be a problem if I was at extreme volumes for long periods of time without good ventilation for the amp. (no enclosed entertainment centers with doors)
Call them yourselves!

meanwhile, I am figuring on getting a pair of Axiom M3's for my kitchen specifically becaue they are supposed to have a very good bass output for a bookshelf. They are 8ohm and I will be running them off of Zone 2 of my 2309.

Hope that helps a little.

 

[crimsondave]

Not looking for a real clear sound here. I'll be mostly playing Hard Rock/Metal with some hip hop. Party stuff.

I think towers would be better for rock IMO. Those MTX's probably would be best for hip hop.

So are you just wanting to use the receiver for parties and music or are you wanting to use it for movies too?[/QUOTE]

Both. You can use it as a 7.1 system, or you can set it up as a 5.1 system and use the other 2 channells for 2 more speakers in another location. I want to do the latter. I have a 5.1 setup now that I'm using for HT. What I'm wanting is a couple big speakers for parties that will run off the 2 extra channells on the 2309.

 

[BoB/335]

I will back pedal a bit. I still say that the 2309 should handle a 4 ohm load with no problem.

I checked the speakers that you referenced. The specs do show a sensitivity rating of 92 which shows this as an efficient speaker that should operate with an amp less than the RMS rating. However these are dual 12" long-excursion speakers that might take some power to move those cones and you want to play them loud.

Therefore I suggest you get some professional advice. Give Parts Express a call and see what they say.
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=245-805&CFID=15650718&CFTOKEN=81465196

And give Denon Tech Support a call and see what they say. Let us know the outcome. I'm betting those speakers might not be good for this application.

 

[lsiberian]

I think towers would be better for rock IMO. Those MTX's probably would be best for hip hop.

So are you just wanting to use the receiver for parties and music or are you wanting to use it for movies too?

Both. You can use it as a 7.1 system, or you can set it up as a 5.1 system and use the other 2 channells for 2 more speakers in another location. I want to do the latter. I have a 5.1 setup now that I'm using for HT. What I'm wanting is a couple big speakers for parties that will run off the 2 extra channells on the 2309.[/QUOTE]

If you want them for parties then go for them. I don't suggest them for home theater ever. A party speaker and a HT speaker are two different beasts IMO.

I really suggest you look at an external AMP of some kind to drive these. While the Denon might do the job. I suspect it could go into clipping fairly easily and it could damage the speakers and or receiver. There is a reason amps are used in party settings. if you are poor then look around on craigslist for people selling their old amps. Make sure the Amp you get has some good weight to it. at the lowest 20lbs preferably 30lbs IMO.

I know you don't want to spend the money, but if you look around you can find used Amps for pretty good prices. The external amp will be a safe smart solution using the receiver brings in a lot of danger IMO.

 

[BoB/335]

The 2309 doesn't have pre-outs.

 

[lsiberian]

The 2309 doesn't have pre-outs.

Yuck. I guess I shouldn't make that assumption.

I suggest you just get a good stereo amp in this case. They usually can be gotten for a decent deal of ebay.

Usually you can get a lot of power from a stereo receiver for 2-channels driven.

I wonder if the Marantz SR4021 would fit the bill?

 

[BoB/335]

From another thread somewhere, it seems the 2307 had pre-outs. Why they would downgrade features is beyond me.

 

[crimsondave]

What if I just use these instead?


http://www.cerwinvega.com/VE12F.php

 

[Highbar]

The 2309 doesn't have pre-outs.

It doesn't have full pre-outs but it does have Zone 2 Pre-outs and they would work for this.