Curious About Projector Basics

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mediaholic

Enthusiast
The idea of getting a projector is appealing to me. I'm trying to get a good synopsis of projector basics, including:

Pros/Cons of LCD and DLP
Room Size Reguired for different projectors
Type of Screen to get
1080p recommendations
etc...

Can someone point me in the right direction or do I just need to keep reading various posts?

Thanks.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Just as an FYI, Projector Central has forums - but I tend to chirp in on abut 50% of the conversations there as the moderator there and an even longer member here, so if you have any projector questions feel free to ask them here or there - or both. I'll ignore you in one of the places most likely. ;)

What isn't really covered in a lot of places is the feeling you get when you go into your own area of your own home, apartment, condo... whatever - and you fire up a home theater that could be in your living room, or a storage area - but it rivals what you get from the local $10 a visit movie theater.

1080p projection often is the equal, if not the rival, of the images projected by film theater. 720p looks stellar, and is good for those on an absolute budget, but in general, I would steer people towards 1080p these days as it is easy to get it for right around $2,000.

The room you have is what you use, and the biggest requirements are to set your expectations. You don't go into a theater and have them turn the lights up, so don't use a room in your home with lots of lights in it. If you do have a room like that, get the light under control. Black out windows, get directional lighting... and beyond that, a bit of audio is required as well.

Generally, you will spend as much, or more, on the audio as you will on the video.

It is better to go with a bottom of the line junk system, or not buy at all, then to use your entire budget on the wrong stuff. That is, if you need a screen, and it MUST roll up, then get a tab-tensioned screen. These screens, from reputable manufacturers, tend to run at least $1,000 or more. But, cheap manual roll up screens can be had for under $100.

The best tend to be permanently tensioned screens which hang on walls like paintings. They are under $1,000 for most sizes and can last you a lifetime if cared for properly.

Projectors tend to be a disposable technology. That is, like all electronics, they can have electrical breakdown. Unlike most electronics though they use a very bright, very hot light bulb inside of them right next to all those electronics. It shortens the life of the product - generally to about 10 years or less. Extended warranties aren't really the worst thing you can get for a projector if you intend to use it heavily - especially lamp warranties.

When thinking about your home theater, make sure to cover everything and to ask lots of questions before doing anything at all. Lighting, cabling, conduit, seating, painting, carpeting, ceilings, remote controls, equipment placement, equipment, projector, receiver, sources... It all comes into play and can seem pretty daunting (and is) when you don't take the time to go through things one by one.

If you have the time to sit down and learn and want to put forth the effort, then the entire list can be answered through articles like you see here and on other websites, as well as follow up questions in forums like these. Some forums will get your more audio answers (here) others may get you more projector specific answers (Projector Central), while others may drown you in technical hell - (AVS) - which is great if you have a super tech question... maybe.

Room size almost doesn't matter as I've heard of people working in 8x10 rooms and 35x20 rooms and every size between.

The really common scenario is the 'rec room' or 'media room' which is in a basement next to the pool table and card table. It all works and is great fun, especially for game day and movie night - if you plan for it.

For lighting examples (not sales) I always recommend people go to www.avintegrated.com/lighting.html as an example of what proper lighting can accomplish on a 106" family room setup screen with about 500 (or less) lumens actually in use. No Photoshop used!
 
mperfct

mperfct

Audioholic Samurai
I really wanted to add something meaningful here, but these two guys nailed it. I have a Mitsubishi HC6500 and I love it. I hope to have it a long time. The rest of my system could be upgraded at any time though (except the inwall speakers). :D

I also like projectorreviews.com. He tends to review quite a few projectors. Don't get carried away reading into the screenshots (which there are a lot). He tries very hard to do a good job with those, but they still have to get displayed on your computer and that can add some variance. The reviews themselves are quite good, although note he is a bit of a JVC fan-boy, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, imho.
 
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AudioArcher

Audioholic
Projectorpeople.com is another excellent resource.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Projectorpeople.com is another excellent resource.
I wouldn't call them a resource - they are an etailer. A good one from my understanding, but they have almost no articles that aren't related directly to selling customers a product.

Far better information at the sites listed in the first link.

Some of the better reviews can be had at www.projectorreviews.com which has long reviews of any projector tested. Not as quick to get them out the door, but far better than most sites.

For stores, there is a fairly long list of decent etailers, or going to a professional installer could make sense for the "don't wanna fuss with it" crowd.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Just be warned once you start watching movies on a projector you will likely spend more time watching movies, and sports. Plus no tv will impress you again.

For example the other day I went in the Circuit City and could only watch the game on up to a 73 inch screen. My projector picture is bigger then that even. It really is awesome. You will never regret buying a projector.

Even on a bare white wall the picture can be calibrated to be pretty nice and comparable to a television. So I suggest getting the best projector you can get and then later on down the line looking into a screen.
 
M

mediaholic

Enthusiast
Wow, thanks for the information everyone. Much appreciated!

:D
 
Now Slappy

Now Slappy

Audioholic
Thanks to everyone for their input!!

I have a newby question though, I currently have a Mitzu 1080i 73" rear projection TV and I have been thinking of upgrading to their current 1080p WD-73835 to take advantage of the HDMI inputs. Here is the problem, during the day my living room (where the TV/projector would be going) has a decent amount of ambient light.

Would it behoove me to put up say a 52" plasma or LCD for daytime viewing(for the kids) and then a front projector with a retractable screen that my wife and I(if she doesn't shoot me) can enjoy at night? Or do you think I should just bite the bullet and go front projector with a fixed (say Carata) screen?

To be honest, I own a bar/restaurant so my only viewing time is at night or the very rare day off, but I don't want to get lynched if the kids can't watch TV.:rolleyes::D

Oh, and for the purpose of this discussion, lets say my budget for this little fiasco is +/- $4000.00.

Thanks,
Keith
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
There are a lot of things to consider, as I'm sure you know, but there are things that you might not have thought about yet.

Firstly, the kids. Just as some us are just over-grown kids in adult bodies, kids are, well, kids. Trust me, they're not going to care about playing their video games on the 52" when they can go supersized. So, you have to ask yourself if the PJ off limits to them, and how obedient and or sneaky they are.

However respectful they may be to your gear, if its going to be PJ only, please be aware of rising bulb costs with frequent use.

If the kids ARE sneaky, the immediate thing I worry about is numerous strikes (on/off) of the PJ, as that is not good for its longevity. If I know I will be watching again in a couple/few hours, I just leave mine on, regardless of the rising hours on bulb life. So, if the kids KNOW that PJs have lamp clocks on them, and they want to be sneaky, they might be frequently turning it on and off so that they limit these hours, but at the expense of your PJ's life. YMMV, and there are some interesting stories out there by parents.

The other consideration are you electrostats. Assuming they are in an ideal position, how much space do you have between them? Electrostats desire having considerable space from the front wall, with that wall being well treated (I know, I have a pair for stereo duty). These electrostat panels can be distracting due to the light-reflective nature (at least mine are). Since my HT is half bat-cave, it would be annoying. If you choose an AT screen, OTOH, you can cover up the stats. BUT, that screen size could be much too large, depending, and again, YMMV.

Otherwise, yes, have your cake, eat it, buy an affordable flat panel. BB is selling the 46" 1080 Pana PZ80u for $999, free shipping, 0% financing over 36 months. Pull down screen should be tab tensioned, the problem is you are out of money now. Might I recommend DaLite high power manual, as the screen is very heavy and rigid, and thus much, much, much less prone to visible waving as with other materials? So heavy, that it took 3 people to mount mine. The problems here are more restrictions on PJ mounting (height), and off axis viewers for best performance. Otherwise, a good solution for manual pull-down, with a good amount of money in the pocket. I fit in 8 viewers in 2 rows, so its not impossible by any means, just that some thought/planning is required.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
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Would it behoove me to put up say a 52" plasma or LCD for daytime viewing(for the kids) and then a front projector with a retractable screen that my wife and I(if she doesn't shoot me) can enjoy at night? Or do you think I should just bite the bullet and go front projector with a fixed (say Carata) screen?
...Thanks,
Keith
Yes, this would be a very good idea. Also, LCD uses less power than a plasma, lots less;) They may not notice a smaller TV in there:D
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Yes, this would be a very good idea. Also, LCD uses less power than a plasma, lots less;)
I'm not so sure about that mtry. Please correct me or enlighten me where my knowledge is lacking:

LCDs use their max power rating due to the backlight always being on.

Plasmas rarely ever use their max power rating because no one watches a bright, white, blazing screen all day.

The power consumption is actually more comparable than not.

I think someone else was mentioning how many plasmas had the energy efficient label vs the lcd panels. The hottest set I've ever checked out was actually an LCD, a friend's Sharp. You can feel the heat with your body/face from a few feet away.
 
Now Slappy

Now Slappy

Audioholic
Thanks for your reply!

During the course of a day, what would you consider too many strikes?

My electrostats are approx. 8-9' apart right now and cambered in tword the main listening position and really can't be moved much more due to the dimensions of the room.

My house is also half bat cave at night, there is only ambient light when my wife has the curtains open during the day. Just so you know there is no direct sunlight...all indirect.

The kids aren't that sneaky...yet. They're only 3 and 4 years old.
 
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BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
If you can't control ambient light then I would go with the flat panel/projection setup. A LCD or plasma flat panel is a great anytime viewer. I know for my home we went with a 60" plasma then a 106" projection setup. The first screen/projector combo was about $2,200 when I got it, but you can get better for about $2,000 now.

You can actually get a manual screen, or a cheap tab-tensioned screen under $1,000 and get a BenQ W5000 refurb for about $1,300 right now. Great 1080p deal!

Then pick up a 52" LCD that the kids can bang around a bit without issue.

My biggest issue with using my front projector full time, other than the poor daytime usage conditions, was that lamps would blow at least once a year which means over 5 years I would dish out $1,500+ for replacement lamps when it was just being used for Sesame Street most of the time.

I actually have a play room for my 2/5 year old boys and a 32" LCD in there for them to bang around. Helps to avoid any thought of pausing a show to long on the 60" Pioneer.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Thanks for your reply!
You're quite welcome.

During the course of a day, what would you consider too many strikes?
I don't have a number, but the fewer the better. I'll just leave it at that!

My electrostats are approx. 8-9' apart right now and cambered in tword the main listening position and really can't be moved much more due to the dimensions of the room.
Understood. The reflected light of the speakers might just be too much. If you can borrow anytime some PJ from anyone, just to check out, it would be nice to know for sure. My guess is too much, but I know others have done PJs with stats before . . .

My house is also half bat cave at night, there is only ambient light when my wife has the curtains open during the day. Just so you know there is no direct sunlight...all indirect.
Indirect, reflected light is also a serious enemy of PQ. Just so you know. Colors of walls, ceiling, floor, back wall- it all matters.

The kids aren't that sneaky...yet. They're only 3 and 4 years old.
Heh.

I'm not going to be able to shed any really good info, I am afraid. You'll just have to use your instincts. With 4k, maybe with a great sale, you could land a 65" plasma. :D Ok, I probably could get it for that price, but I've got a connection . . . sorry, nm...

Hmmmmmmmmmm... to quote the great Gandalf:

"What does your heart tell you?"


 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
If you can't control ambient light then I would go with the flat panel/projection setup. A LCD or plasma flat panel is a great anytime viewer. I know for my home we went with a 60" plasma then a 106" projection setup. The first screen/projector combo was about $2,200 when I got it, but you can get better for about $2,000 now.

You can actually get a manual screen, or a cheap tab-tensioned screen under $1,000 and get a BenQ W5000 refurb for about $1,300 right now. Great 1080p deal!

Then pick up a 52" LCD that the kids can bang around a bit without issue.

My biggest issue with using my front projector full time, other than the poor daytime usage conditions, was that lamps would blow at least once a year which means over 5 years I would dish out $1,500+ for replacement lamps when it was just being used for Sesame Street most of the time.

I actually have a play room for my 2/5 year old boys and a 32" LCD in there for them to bang around. Helps to avoid any thought of pausing a show to long on the 60" Pioneer.
It's hard to believe tv's have gotten that big. I mean wow. When I was a kid I had a 13". I still have that tv and refuse to part ways with it. Anything that's lasted that long deserves to stick with me.
 
Now Slappy

Now Slappy

Audioholic
Thanks for all the input guys!!

It gives me a lot of food for thought.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I know I am late to the discussion, but a 73" rear projection is a really nice tv. If you could wait on the projector a bit longer. I suggest putting it off a little bit. I see the 1080p thing taking over the market in the next couple of years. After that you will probably see some really nice 1080p PJs at a reasonable price.

Just some more food for thought. I suggest just sticking with the 73" and not upgrading. PJ are a lot of work to setup, maintain. I'm not saying you shouldn't go PJ. It's amazing and worth the money, but since you already have a 73" screen I think holding off a bit longer would be to your benefit. And sometimes if you time it right you can get PJ on clearance for a fraction of the cost a year down the line.
 
Now Slappy

Now Slappy

Audioholic
Thanks Isiberian.

I think I might hold off until April or May anyway. I was just starting to do my research and see what options I might have.

It's our "season" down here in S. Florida now anyway, and I won't have any time to enjoy it until probably May anyhow.

Ahhhhhhhh, the restaurant/bar business.....she's a fickle mistress.:D
 
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MarthaT

Enthusiast
I was about to ask the same question, tons of good info here though
 

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