J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
darien87, I just click on the function called "late night" on my Onkyo 805. (That's what they call their version of DRC). I simply programmed it into my macros on my URC remote. After I select TrueHD, and the movie starts running, I hit what I called "DRC" and it shows "auto". I keep clicking until is says off.

This doesn't help you, since flagging will occur in player. You are simply going to have to go into the audio menu of the PS3 each time. Yeah, its annoying. However, this won't happen with uncompressed PCM, and I have to discover it happening with DTS-MA. Also, I never noticed anything terrible until the first viewing of Iron Man.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
There are three settings for DRC on the PS3 - On, Auto and Off. Set it to off and it should stay off always. I never really noticed its effects until Iron Man.
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
There are three settings for DRC on the PS3 - On, Auto and Off. Set it to off and it should stay off always. I never really noticed its effects until Iron Man.
If true, that's great news. :) *wish I could do that to my Onkyo*.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
There are three settings for DRC on the PS3 - On, Auto and Off. Set it to off and it should stay off always. I never really noticed its effects until Iron Man.
You mean that before you turned DRC off, you discovered it with Iron Man that turned down the LFE by that flag?
And now that it is OFF, you don't have that happening?
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
You mean that before you turned DRC off, you discovered it with Iron Man that turned down the LFE by that flag?
And now that it is OFF, you don't have that happening?
Yes. I may have noticed it here and there with other movies, but with Iron Man I really cranked the system and it seemed quite noticeable that there was some limiting going on. When I turned it off and cranked the same scene (the Jericho missle test) there was a noticeable improvement in the bass department.
 
G

Gov

Senior Audioholic
Just got down watching The Hulk on my BD30 and with the DTS-HD Mstr engaged. I still have a silly grin on my face :D I will say that watching at -12db on my SC-05, I could feel that my heart rate was going up at times. My poor 8 yr old son, had to leave the room. He told me that his heart was racing. I am terrible!
 
darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
So I guess I need to go back an rewatch all my BD's with TrueHD tracks.

I watched Iron Man, (Jericho missle scene), and there was a HUGE difference in bass response. I went back and forth about 5 times and it was immediately noticeable. Even my wife noticed the difference in the voices. With DRC on, when Stark is intro'ing the missle system, she said, "It sounds muffled."

So for the hell of it, I put in I am Legend. When I first bought this disk, I didn't like how the Shelby Mustang in the beginning didn't sound very impressive. I had to crank my system to make it sound loud, but then the deer hoofbeats got so loud that they overpowered the sound of the car. After turning off DRC, the scene sounds much more balanced. The car still isn't as loud as I would like it, but now the deer hoofbeats aren't so much louder.

DRC sucks!!! Why the hell would they put some kind of automatic "on" feature on to a disc!?!?! :mad:
 

boxinghris

Enthusiast
So I guess I need to go back an rewatch all my BD's with TrueHD tracks.

I watched Iron Man, (Jericho missle scene), and there was a HUGE difference in bass response. I went back and forth about 5 times and it was immediately noticeable. Even my wife noticed the difference in the voices. With DRC on, when Stark is intro'ing the missle system, she said, "It sounds muffled."

So for the hell of it, I put in I am Legend. When I first bought this disk, I didn't like how the Shelby Mustang in the beginning didn't sound very impressive. I had to crank my system to make it sound loud, but then the deer hoofbeats got so loud that they overpowered the sound of the car. After turning off DRC, the scene sounds much more balanced. The car still isn't as loud as I would like it, but now the deer hoofbeats aren't so much louder.

DRC sucks!!! Why the hell would they put some kind of automatic "on" feature on to a disc!?!?! :mad:
I think the various studios are so busy making trying to organise their customers and stop 'us' from copying discs and sticking to ludicrous 'regions' that they can't get themselves organised. :mad:

Blu-Ray should be new Messiah of video replay but unlike HD-DVD it was released half-cocked with players that should never have seen the light of day, and even now there doesn't appear to be a player which has all the functionality of the PS3 with similar load times.

Blu-Ray doesn't deserve to succeed as it has been an insult to the consumer from day one by greedy corporations, and if any other component or machine had been released which was half-finished, slow and glichy when another 'jack of all trades' equivalent put the specialists to shame the dedicated machines would be laughed out of the door.:rolleyes:

As it is, Blu-Ray has no competition and manufacturers are apparently able to bring out players slightly better than the preceding model but by no means the finished article yet, because if they actually spend time designing and manufacturing a player which plays discs when it's supposed to, loads them up faster than a gaming machine and selects the best audio codec available for the amplification used, they lose out to the manufacturer next door who has just released that next gen player which is a micro-step up from the last.
 
A

allargon

Audioholic General
As much as I dislike many things about Blu-Ray (hardware incompatibilities, software pricing, hardware pricing, forced AACS licensing, replication capacity, etc.), I cannot blame the format for DRC. DRC also exists on pretty much every standard definition DVD player out there as well.

DRC is useful for watching movies at a constant volume if you have someone sleeping in the next room or live in an apartment.

The mismanagement of DRC on the Iron Man Blu-Ray was Paramount's screw-up and theirs alone--just like Warner's use of dialnorm is their screw-up. Plenty of studios (Disney, Universal, Sony, Weinstein, Opus Arte, etc.) use/used Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital+ and Dolby TrueHD without any issues. It's just those two studios that raise eyebrows.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
I think the various studios are so busy making trying to organise their customers and stop 'us' from copying discs and sticking to ludicrous 'regions' that they can't get themselves organised. :mad:

Blu-Ray should be new Messiah of video replay but unlike HD-DVD it was released half-cocked with players that should never have seen the light of day, and even now there doesn't appear to be a player which has all the functionality of the PS3 with similar load times.

Blu-Ray doesn't deserve to succeed as it has been an insult to the consumer from day one by greedy corporations, and if any other component or machine had been released which was half-finished, slow and glichy when another 'jack of all trades' equivalent put the specialists to shame the dedicated machines would be laughed out of the door.:rolleyes:

As it is, Blu-Ray has no competition and manufacturers are apparently able to bring out players slightly better than the preceding model but by no means the finished article yet, because if they actually spend time designing and manufacturing a player which plays discs when it's supposed to, loads them up faster than a gaming machine and selects the best audio codec available for the amplification used, they lose out to the manufacturer next door who has just released that next gen player which is a micro-step up from the last.
Well, that's a pretty silly post.

Blu-ray has had issues, but it is far better to have open competition by many manufacturers and an aligned standard across the industry than to have a single company running the show. In the history of AV there has never been a single manufacturer with a single product which has followed their own standard with no significant outside support which has survived in the market.

Worse, rooting against a format which delivers both the best video and the best audio we have seen on the market - ever - is an insult to all of us who actually enjoy great audio and video at the highest quality.

Now, maybe you are upset because you bought a HD DVD player and realize what a waste of money that was. But, for almost every Blu-ray owner on the market, they are extremely happy with their purchase.

Openly criticizing the problems with a format doesn't mean the format shouldn't exist. It just means that manufacturers - whether they are studios, or CEs, need to recognize the flaws with their product and take corrective action. Likewise, the discussion allows people to find end-around solutions to get the most out of what they already own.

I wish you luck with whatever format you decide to buy into, but I will continue to enjoy my Blu-ray as I have done for the past two years and will live with the issues that do exist and hope that they continue to push the format forward and resolve those issues as they are discovered so that things continue to get better and better - exactly as we have seen since the formats inception.
 
aberkowitz

aberkowitz

Audioholic Field Marshall
Thanks for the heads up on DRC... now I'm going to have to rewatch Iron Man. I was so disappointed by the audio the first time.
 

boxinghris

Enthusiast
Well, that's a pretty silly post.

Blu-ray has had issues, but it is far better to have open competition by many manufacturers and an aligned standard across the industry than to have a single company running the show. In the history of AV there has never been a single manufacturer with a single product which has followed their own standard with no significant outside support which has survived in the market.

Worse, rooting against a format which delivers both the best video and the best audio we have seen on the market - ever - is an insult to all of us who actually enjoy great audio and video at the highest quality.

Now, maybe you are upset because you bought a HD DVD player and realize what a waste of money that was. But, for almost every Blu-ray owner on the market, they are extremely happy with their purchase.

Openly criticizing the problems with a format doesn't mean the format shouldn't exist. It just means that manufacturers - whether they are studios, or CEs, need to recognize the flaws with their product and take corrective action. Likewise, the discussion allows people to find end-around solutions to get the most out of what they already own.

I wish you luck with whatever format you decide to buy into, but I will continue to enjoy my Blu-ray as I have done for the past two years and will live with the issues that do exist and hope that they continue to push the format forward and resolve those issues as they are discovered so that things continue to get better and better - exactly as we have seen since the formats inception.
A silly post because you disagree and have bought into Blu-Ray?:rolleyes:

No, sorry to disappoint but I didn't buy into HD-DVD and so can give a detached view, unlike yourself who has nailed himself to the Blu-Ray flag, and in doing so you're now trying to distinguish yourself as being more discerning than anyone who hasn't yet bought a Blu-Ray player and who doesn't support the manufacturers of such machines.

I'm not rooting against the format, I'm simply saying that it was launched way too early because of HD-DVD, wasn't ready for market and has been playing catch up ever since with decent players only now starting to appear even though a games consol showed there was no excuse for the gliches and lack of functionality early adopters were expected to put up with.

For the record I will support any format which offers superior quality to the very best upscaling DVD players, but certainly NOT when such a format is not finalised, is not the full spec, the backwards compatibility with DVD is dire and the actual discs cost twice as much as DVDs.

In fact, show me a professional review of a Blu-Ray player where there weren't any compatibility or operational issues, at least before the current Panasonic BD55 and BD35 although I note that the latest review of the BD35 in homecinemachoice demonstrates that the BD-Live function didn't work.

Saying "Blu-Ray has had issues" is the biggest understatement since "Houston, we have a problem" in my humble opinion, and until these issues are fully resolved I certainly won't be investing in a player just yet.

I was interested in the Pioneer LX71 to match my KURO screen as I need the 7.1 analogue outputs, but now it transpires that there is no provision to set speaker delays which is frankly ridiculous - it wouldn't be accepted in a high-end DVD player but Pioneer must think early adopters are so keen to snap up the latest in Blu-Ray technology that they'll put up with it, and amazingly they do!:eek:

I really could take issue with almost everything you've written, but will just bring up the paragraph where you say "Openly criticizing the problems with a format doesn't mean the format shouldn't exist. It just means that manufacturers - whether they are studios, or CEs, need to recognize the flaws with their product and take corrective action."

I'd disagree with this statement because in all other manufacturing industries, corrective action is taken to deal with flaws BEFORE the product is marketed.
Saying "this is profile 1.0, then there will be profile 1.3, then profile 2.0" etc is a joke - they should call a spade a spade and say "the product isn't ready yet but for now here's one that's half finished, then there's one that's a bit more finished and finally here's one that's nearly finished....but it's a bit slow".:(

No doubt in the next few months I will own a Blu-Ray player and I am excited about higher-rez audio/video, but please give me a player which doesn't insult my intelligence and which does what Blu-Ray promised it would many moons ago; Denon or Marantz are looking favourites so far, shame about the lack of delay adjustment on the Pioneer.:rolleyes:
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I'd rather a 2k Pana + $300 BDP, than a 6k Kuro with 1k DVD player. Because the former will blow the latter's PQ out of the water.

Why Denon/Marantz?

I am using a BD-30 since last year, everything works perfectly.

I've only updated FW twice ever. One was simply for an LFE cut. The other was for the hell of it.

If you think FW updates are silly, well I suggest you don't buy any pre/pro's or receivers either. Definitely not anything high end.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Thanks for the heads up on DRC... now I'm going to have to rewatch Iron Man. I was so disappointed by the audio the first time.
I may have asked before, but does this mean that the BD disc of Iron Man will turn on the DRC in the player even if it is defaulted and set to off?
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I may have asked before, but does this mean that the BD disc of Iron Man will turn on the DRC in the player even if it is defaulted and set to off?
I'd bet money on it.

I admit that I never even knew of this issue until Iron Man. Obviously, DRC was implemented very poorly in this case.

My very first impression was that the mix was designed for a display in bright ambient light conditions, connected to an HTIB.
 
G

Gov

Senior Audioholic
I may have asked before, but does this mean that the BD disc of Iron Man will turn on the DRC in the player even if it is defaulted and set to off?
On my Pioneer Elite SC-05 it does NOT turn on the DRC if my receiver is set to "off". Its default is "auto", but if you set it to "off" it stays off.:D
Its my understanding that it was not the Blu-ray players themselves, but the actual receivers that when fed a "bitstream" signal it happened if the receiver was set to "auto".
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
On my Pioneer Elite SC-05 it does NOT turn on the DRC if my receiver is set to "off". Its default is "auto", but if you set it to "off" it stays off.:D
Ok, how much do I owe?

NOW you get back to me, eh Gov? :D

edit: btw, I really tried talking my brother into your Ascends. He gave me a rough 1.5k budget towards display + audio upgrades. Now' he's mulling over another fish tank...
 
G

Gov

Senior Audioholic
Ok, how much do I owe?

NOW you get back to me, eh Gov? :D

edit: btw, I really tried talking my brother into your Ascends. He gave me a rough 1.5k budget towards display + audio upgrades. Now' he's mulling over another fish tank...

Sorry, been busy listening and reading all the great reviews on the SC line :D.
Yeah, please talk to your brother they are in great condition and never abused. I think Sierra's are in my future!
 

boxinghris

Enthusiast
I'd rather a 2k Pana + $300 BDP, than a 6k Kuro with 1k DVD player. Because the former will blow the latter's PQ out of the water.

Why Denon/Marantz?

I am using a BD-30 since last year, everything works perfectly.

I've only updated FW twice ever. One was simply for an LFE cut. The other was for the hell of it.

If you think FW updates are silly, well I suggest you don't buy any pre/pro's or receivers either. Definitely not anything high end.
Well, I've actually auditioned a Panasonic BD-30 against my Denon DVD A1XV (5910 to you) which upscales to 1080p with a realta chipset and I think you might just be a little surprised at how close the two were.:rolleyes:

Unfortunately my Denon blew the BD-30 out of the water playing DVDs, CDs and of course SACDs and DVD-As, but I have to concede that Ratatoule on Blu-Ray was great!:eek:

Did I say firmware updates were silly, or is that you trying to put silly words in my mouth because it's easier to argue against?:confused:

Too late for me to refrain from buying anything high end as I've had a very nice Onkyo Integra seven channel pre/power amp rig for a while now which I haven't heard anything better than and so will be keeping for a little while longer, which is why I'll be after a decent Blu-Ray player with 7.1 analogue outputs and on board processing of HD audio codecs.:D

Can't get enough of that Ratatoule you see.;)
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Well, I've actually auditioned a Panasonic BD-30 against my Denon DVD A1XV (5910 to you) which upscales to 1080p with a realta chipset and I think you might just be a little surprised at how close the two were.:rolleyes:
How small is your TV? How old is your TV? What have you tested as far as Live Action?

Unfortunately my Denon blew the BD-30 out of the water playing DVDs, CDs and of course SACDs and DVD-As, but I have to concede that Ratatoule on Blu-Ray was great!:eek:
Sure. But for the cost of your player, I could buy a separate bluray player, separate CD player, separate SACD player, get my truck detailed, get a 20oz ribeye at the steakhouse, and still have money in the pocket.

Did I say firmware updates were silly, or is that you trying to put silly words in my mouth because it's easier to argue against?:confused:
I was absolutely cognizant of the fact that you did not specifically speak of FW when I created my post. What you were more specifically speaking of seemed to be "issues of compatibility". These "issues" are often solved by way of firmware, in case you were ignorant to that fact. For instance, both Sony and Samsung have had players recently updated to be able to handle the dual-bitstream codec of DTS-MA.

Of course, I could predict that you would counter such a statement with disparaging remarks regarding FW. It would be rather possible for someone like you to mention, no? Almost expected, if one wanted to argue against bluray, no? Neverthess, in regards to such possibility did I offer my experiences of extraordinarily smooth playback.

Do you now see the pertinence of firmware in light of your post? Or am I just being silly? Do you really suspect that it might be me who is saying silly words, and not yourself? :cool::eek:


edit: split stupid hairs with me at your own risk*
 
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