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sparky77

Full Audioholic
I don't really understand why you need high power handling unless you have a downright HUGE listening area. Those JTR's appear to be commercial typle loudspeakers. Commercial speakers tend to sacrafice a bit of their accuracy for higher efficiency. The website does say they're designed for small to medium applications, but who knows what they actually consider small, judging by the sensitivity, I would say probably about 50 seat theater is what they would call small.

Hopefully if anyone actually has experience with these products they'll chime in and correct me if I'm wrong.
 
rmk

rmk

Audioholic Chief
I have an appointment to hear them on Friday (JTR T12LF's). I'll post comments if you're interested.
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
I don't really understand why you need high power handling unless you have a downright HUGE listening area. Those JTR's appear to be commercial typle loudspeakers. Commercial speakers tend to sacrafice a bit of their accuracy for higher efficiency. The website does say they're designed for small to medium applications, but who knows what they actually consider small, judging by the sensitivity, I would say probably about 50 seat theater is what they would call small.

Hopefully if anyone actually has experience with these products they'll chime in and correct me if I'm wrong.
The JTRs are fantastic speakers when they cant be seen:D From almost all accounts, those who have heard them, liked them. M Seaton originaly turned me onto the brand and have followed them for the last year.

This member at avs has a well respected opinon on them;)
 
poutanen

poutanen

Full Audioholic
I have an appointment to hear them on Friday (JTR T12LF's). I'll post comments if you're interested.
Please do, if you can hear the T8's at the same time it'd be 1000 internets to you sir... lol :D
 
poutanen

poutanen

Full Audioholic
I don't really understand why you need high power handling unless you have a downright HUGE listening area. Those JTR's appear to be commercial typle loudspeakers. Commercial speakers tend to sacrafice a bit of their accuracy for higher efficiency. The website does say they're designed for small to medium applications, but who knows what they actually consider small, judging by the sensitivity, I would say probably about 50 seat theater is what they would call small.

Hopefully if anyone actually has experience with these products they'll chime in and correct me if I'm wrong.
A little about my system:

- mains: Yamaha S115V's (15" woofer, 1" horn)
- subs: Yamaha SW118's (18") - x2
- surrounds: was using Yamaha S55 studio monitors, will be using S15e's (15" woofer, 1" horn, less power handling than the mains)

I need a centre that can handle the SPL levels of the rest of my system, so that when it's setup properly balanced, and I decide to push it, I'm not running into clipping on the amp, or over driving the speakers.

I've been using a pair of yamaha towers w/ a pair of 8" woofers in each and they've handled it, but I'm trying to eliminate comb filtering by using 1 dedicated centre speaker, and it's hard to find a centre to match the rest of my system without using another S115V.

These speakers (the triple 8) are supposed to be commercial strong with audiophile sound, and if it can at least match the Yamaha's I'll be thrilled. :D
 
rmk

rmk

Audioholic Chief
Please do, if you can hear the T8's at the same time it'd be 1000 internets to you sir... lol :D
I hope to demo the T8's tonight and the T12's tomorrow. Will post my impressions here.
 
rmk

rmk

Audioholic Chief
JTR Triple 8's (stream of consciousness rambling)

I had the opportunity to hear the Triple 8’s (LCR) in combo with 4 Slanted 8’s and two massive DIY subs at another Forum member’s house this week. The system was setup in a living room with no acoustic treatments outside of some heavy “blackout” curtains along one (left) sidewall and a brick fireplace along the other. This made the room a bit brighter than I am accustomed. The power was mostly pro audio (Crown amps) and a Denon 3806 AVR was the SSP. Like me, he had a dual display setup with an LCD flat panel and a nice Epson 1080 PJ and screen.

He uses Audyssey (via the Denon) and initially he had it engaged. With Audyssey engaged, the volume easily maxed out on the Denon. While it was reasonably loud, it did not seem loud enough for me (I may need a hearing check;)) considering these were action movies. After disengaging Audyssey, we gained quite a bit of headroom and the system sounded better (more crisp and alive). This deadening effect is something I have noticed with Audyssey. Apparently, some like it … I do not.

We ran a series of movie and music clips in the relatively short 40 min demo. I chose the HD-DVD ver. of Last Samurai and he chose the BR ver. of I Robot (played on a PS3). He was using a Berringer EQ for his DIY subs and like me, he plays with the settings quite a bit so they needed a bit of taming initially. Once he dialed them back a bit they sounded good and blended reasonably well with the JTR’s.

The JTR’s are finished with Truck Bed liner and look very pro-audio. If you are placing these in a living space you share with a female this will be a problem. I spoke with JTR before the demo and wood veneer finishes will be an option for a reasonable per speaker up-charge.

Ok impressions. Much of what I heard was familiar material. The speakers have very good dynamics (to me that means capable of volume without distortion) and dialog was reasonably intelligible amid the chaos of the sound tracks. These T8’s were the standard config with the coax driver (you can get the coax mounted on “top”) mounted in the middle of the two bass drivers. The center was on the horizontal and the LR’s were on stands vertical. There was quite a height difference in the L/R’s vs. the center and that may have accounted for some lack of cohesion with the front soundstage.

In any case, the JTR T8’s sounded good, but not as good as I had hoped. Musically, they presented the material in a “wall of sound” mode lacking the clarity and detail I am used to with all of my HT speakers dating back to my Monitor Audio Gold’s. Knowing how unreliable audio memory is and considering all of the other variables, I am reluctant to go much farther with any criticism of the JTR’s. Suffice to say that for their price, these could be a very good option for someone looking for big, Theater like sound in an HT.

I owe the JTR owner a demo of my system and I am thinking of doing a side by side with the JTR’s and my Revels. This would be a much longer session and would take power and room acoustics out of the equation. It would be interesting to hear the difference between such widely differentiated concepts and price points in a side by side comparison.
 
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poutanen

poutanen

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I had the opportunity to hear the Triple 8’s (LCR) in combo with 4 Slanted 8’s and two massive DIY subs at another Forum member’s house this week. ***SNIP***
Thanks for the review, very honest. I'd like to hear what you think when you hear them back to back with the same music, no other variables, vs. your current system.
 
poutanen

poutanen

Full Audioholic
Missed this in your other thread.:eek:
Is that bad or good? lol

I'll be honest with you, the Yamaha mains make a whole lot LESS bass than I expected when I got them years ago, the 15" actually does more of a full range job, as I think the crossover point is 1.7 kHz, and they drop off hard at 80 Hz.

Because they're a vented, but not a tuned port cabinet, there's no real gain anywhere in the low end, and this allows me to drive them fairly hard without the sound getting boomy.

The SW118s are great, but they like power. I was running a behringer A500 bridged into both subs, daisy chained together (a 4 ohm load) and it was barely getting them going. So I've pretty much decided on the Yamaha P7000S, I can pick one up locally for $785 and it should have just a little more give than the Behringer!!! :D
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
Is that bad or good? lol
I didn't realize you had a complete 5.1 system. I don't believe there was any mention of your subs in the other thread. So, I assumed you were using the mains for LF. 'Tis why I was harping so about how new mains and a powered sub would outperform your current set-up.:eek:
 
poutanen

poutanen

Full Audioholic
I didn't realize you had a complete 5.1 system. I don't believe there was any mention of your subs in the other thread. So, I assumed you were using the mains for LF. 'Tis why I was harping so about how new mains and a powered sub would outperform your current set-up.:eek:
Ah, it all makes sense now! :D

I should have explained my complete setup better in the other thread! And like I'm sure most peoples systems are, it's a constantly evolving animal, now more than ever since I'm buying a house, my room size, acoustics, everything is likely to change with the next setup...
 
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Jeff Permanian

Enthusiast
I have an appointment to hear them on Friday (JTR T12LF's). I'll post comments if you're interested.
Sounds as if there where some anomalies present (front end, amplifiers, room modes, speaker placement) and may not have properly demonstrated the JTR's. It seems as if Peter's system of Triple 12lf has been receiving some great reviews. Would you be able to evaluate that system?
 
rmk

rmk

Audioholic Chief
Sounds as if there where some anomalies present (front end, amplifiers, room modes, speaker placement) and may not have properly demonstrated the JTR's. It seems as if Peter's system of Triple 12lf has been receiving some great reviews. Would you be able to evaluate that system?
I'm working on it:). Peter is a great guy and very accommodating.

Also, the Triple 8's will be paying a visit to my HT this weekend but I need to get a speakon to banana adapter in order to pair them with my amp. A local pro audio shop has them and I'm picking up a pair today.
 
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cbraver

Audioholic Chief
What is the pricing on the JTRs? It is hard for me to understand this thread without knowing that.

If your looking for big theater sound, I would look at Bag End (www.bagend.com). They are ugly as well, but sound fantastic and are used to master a lot of films.

rmk has a fairly big room, if I remember the pictures correctly, and he felt these speakers weren't loud enough... and they certainly look like they would go louder than his Revels would.

Although I don't know what kind of testing this company does, it also strikes me as kind of strange that they'll move the tweeter if you want. I would think they spent all kinds of time getting that placement right and that one place is ideal.

While some pro-audio companies make deep bass boxes, a lot of the nightclubs that use the deep frequencies (such as dubstep and drum and bass) have their own custom speakers/soundsystems ... because many pro-audio speakers are pop bass boxes that don't do well below 40Hz or so.

Oh, if you are ever in the U.K. see where the Valve (sometimes spelled VLV) soundsystem is at. 96kW drum and bass soundsystem, it is the loudest thing you will ever hear.
 
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rmk

rmk

Audioholic Chief
cbraver What is the pricing on the JTRs? It is hard for me to understand this thread without knowing that.
There is a price list on the JTR Website but the Triple8's are $899 and the Triple12's are $1499 each MSLP.

rmk has a fairly big room, if I remember the pictures correctly, and he felt these speakers weren't loud enough... and they certainly look like they would go louder than his Revels would.
I haven't hear the JTR's in my room (I will on Saturday). IMO, volume issue was due to the AVR driving them. It will be interesting to see how they sound vs the Revels.
 
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cbraver

Audioholic Chief
There is a price list on the JTR Website but the Triple8's are $899 and the Triple12's are $1499 each MSLP.


I haven't hear the JTR's in my room (I will on Saturday). IMO, volume issue was due to the AVR driving them. It will be interesting to see how they sound vs the Revels.
Ah, I see. I thought you said you were using Crown amps to power them, and figured you were using the Denon as a preamp. I can imagine a 4-ohm 600 watt IEC speaker would struggle when being powered by a ~150wpc amp, and vice versa, and that probably isn't good to base any judgement on.

I'm interested in your listening impressions once they are correctly powered and setup in your room.
 
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cbraver

Audioholic Chief
Sounds as if there where some anomalies present (front end, amplifiers, room modes, speaker placement) and may not have properly demonstrated the JTR's. It seems as if Peter's system of Triple 12lf has been receiving some great reviews. Would you be able to evaluate that system?
I just noticed your post. The phone number is 847 area code on the JTR website... north shore Chicago, right?... are you from JTR speakers?

He might be helpful with setup, rmk...
 

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