Simple cheap build....amp chosen, which driver and what enclosure set-up?

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

To make this simple....
I am ordering parts to rebuild my fathers very old 3-way towers from Parts Express.
Easiest thing would be to order their BASH300, which is on sale, and then the best driver for that amp they(P.E.) carry.
Then have you guys figure out what size box and ports would be best.
$160 or less for the driver.(lower the better)(this build will either be doubled or replaced within a year)

*Also, if possible I'd like to keep it to 5.9cu. ft. externally as that's about all one sheet of .75" MDF can do with a double front and single brace.(I think that's corrrect)

 

[TLS Guy]

To make this simple....
I am ordering parts to rebuild my fathers very old 3-way towers from Parts Express.
Easiest thing would be to order their BASH300, which is on sale, and then the best driver for that amp they(P.E.) carry.
Then have you guys figure out what size box and ports would be best.
$160 or less for the driver.(lower the better)(this build will either be doubled or replaced within a year)

*Also, if possible I'd like to keep it to 5.9cu. ft. externally as that's about all one sheet of .75" MDF can do with a double front and single brace.(I think that's corrrect)

Sorry, I don't understand this post at all. You say this is a three way speaker. What three way speaker? Are you just replacing the woofer and why? What are you going to do with the crossover? Are you planning to transfer the mid and HF drivers to the new cabinet. Since this is a full range speaker you can't power it with the BASH.

You have to provide a lot more details. This sounds like a difficult and I must say dubious project on the face of it.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

I'm sorry for the confusion.
I am rebuilding some speakers as a seperate project. I am ordering the components and parts from Parts Express for that build.(which is for my father)

I thought it would be easiest to get my amp and driver for my personal seperate project of my HT sub from Parts Express as well at the same time....one big order.

They(P.E.) also conveniently have the BASH300 on sale currently.


So the last two sentences from my first post are my questions to you guys.
I don't need any help with my other project.(3-way rebuild for my father)

 

[TLS Guy]

I'm sorry for the confusion.
I am rebuilding some speakers as a seperate project. I am ordering the components and parts from Parts Express for that build.(which is for my father)

I thought it would be easiest to get my amp and driver for my personal seperate project of my HT sub from Parts Express as well at the same time....one big order.

They(P.E.) also conveniently have the BASH300 on sale currently.


So the last two sentences from my first post are my questions to you guys.
I don't need any help with my other project.(3-way rebuild for my father)

I have already sent you two models that fit your description. One of them has a driver on special from parts express as I told you in a PM. So just order that Dayton driver and the Bash and you are on your way.

This is the design.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

I have that marked and saved, and think it will work well.
I was just wondering if there are any other drivers from them that 'might' work even better.
If not I'll order the reference 12" now.
I appreciate your help and sorry for not being clear before.

 

[TLS Guy]

I have that marked and saved, and think it will work well.
I was just wondering if there are any other drivers from them that 'might' work even better.
If not I'll order the reference 12" now.
I appreciate your help and sorry for not being clear before.

How much better do you want, and in what way better for what you are willing to spend?

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

Since the BASH 300 is on sale for $125, I could go up to say up to $160 for a 12" or 15" driver.
Unless either the Audiopulse EPD412 EPIC 12" DVC 4ohm --or-- the Peerless 830500 XLS 12" are 'really' worth it.

I suppose a little more spl below 25Hz with a lower -3dB point --or-- a little more spl from ~20Hz up to 80Hz.

 

[TLS Guy]

Since the BASH 300 is on sale for $125, I could go up to say up to $160 for a 12" or 15" driver.
Unless either the Audiopulse EPD412 EPIC 12" DVC 4ohm --or-- the Peerless 830500 XLS 12" are 'really' worth it.

I suppose a little more spl below 25Hz with a lower -3dB point --or-- a little more spl from ~20Hz up to 80Hz.

The Kappa perfect 12 VQ is now in your price range.

These forums are awash in design and excellent build plans for this driver. These have generously been provided for the good of the order by forum members, who have spent significant time and effort on them. I really don't think you need more modeling. You need to pick a plan.

In any event I don't have time for other peoples projects at present. I'm knee deep in the design for out Quad four town home in Eagan. Hopefully it can be a TL design throughout. Sub and mains are done. The center has to be worked out and I have very little space for the surrounds, which can not be optimally placed. Fortunately the speakers I have in there now are giving a very good account of themselves. Although the space is in some ways unpromising, it seems to sound very good. Since this a smallish home, just under 1400sq.ft on one level, the theater will be in the main living area. So quite rightly I have to design for WAF. I think I can do this and still have a 13 cu.ft sub!

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

Update time.
I picked up a Behringer EP2500 for a great price and today I bought an eQ.2 from eD for SSF and two-band.(got that for 35% off).

So now my driver options are only limited by my budget.
I need something that will take a whole lot of juice....

 

[annunaki]

JL Audio W7 fits that bill

The Audiopulse subs handle quite a bit of power as well. Above the Epic series that is.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

Way out of my budget though. Especially after both of these purchases.
I'm hoping under $200 with high real world power handling.

I can buy a bad boy later down the road and build a new box, now that I have the EP2500.

 

[annunaki]

The Dayton Titanic may be in your price range at that point. It has quite high power handling. The Infinity Kappa Perfect VQ is obviously a choice. I will look into some others.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

I was reading how the thermal limits were reached with not a whole lot of power with a Perfect 12 over on avs.
But that is n no way any proof, I know.

A short list would be fantastic of you!

 

[WmAx]

I was reading how the thermal limits were reached with not a whole lot of power with a Perfect 12 over on avs.
But that is n no way any proof, I know.

A short list would be fantastic of you!

Sounds like bologna. You can operate a single Kappa Perfect 12VQ at over 120dB, in an average room, with no readily audible distortion/compression occuring, if you use the properly designed/built cabinet(critical, of course). The driver is rated at 400 thermal continuous, and with music, you can use much more power. How much SPL is one looking for? Even the most dynamic music will not approach the limits of one of these, unless you are running the sub 15-20dB hot over the main speakers. If one wants 140dB, then the Kappa Perfect is not a good choice, of course, unless you use many of them. For very high SPL I will recommend other drivers. The Kappa Perfect is an ideal sound quality driver at a very affordable price. Used within it's thermal/mechanical limits, it is an absolute transparent device.

-Chris

 

[gus6464]

The DIY guys at AVS are all about SPL and big drivers. To them a 12" driver is considered small since most posts are about 15" and 18" drivers. As you can see the Kappa Perfect is a proven driver as a couple of people on this forum have actually built very capable subs with it. Under $200 I don't see how you are going to find a better driver.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

It is an option, just looking for others.
Not sure any driver should be considered 'the' choice as a blanket suggestion.
Whether it be 12" or 15" or 18".
The larger derivers do move more air(the good ones) which in turn pumps out the output....which is never a bad thing in my opinion.

For example I owned a eD A5-550 and it wasn't loud enough.
Nor did it handle sub20Hz BR bass well enough.

Just keeping my mind open to all possibilities.

The Shiva-X gets alot of talk and it is only 12"....and is also the other 12" driver on my list.(can't afford 12w7)
HTS members are also very big on big drivers.

Another thing to consider is that this is my first build, so a difficult design(for me) is not something I want to get into for my very first build.

Are there any simpler, cheaper vented designs?(slot is even o.k., just not a complex design)

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

What are the T/S params of the Perfect 12?

 

[flippo]

look at sticky

Look at build plans put up by aversfi o 1st sticky on this forum. Ireccomend the infinity driver also.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

I don't see them in there?
I'd like to model it to see if I could get it to dig a little lower before starting its' roll off than that model.

 

[WmAx]

Download the user manual for the Kappa Perfect VQ series from the Infinity website. The T&S parameters can be found in the manual.

You can get F3 in the range of 14 Hz(with reduced SPL), no problem, with the 12VQ. But you have to use a massive enclosure; this is going to be the case with any such system with high output at this low of a frequency. However, by placing the tuning frequency so low, you limit the output SPL in the lower twenties, because cone excursion starts to become significant without the aid of the port output in this band. I do not recommend the Kappa Perfect tuned under 20Hz(which gives you F3 around 19Hz) for this reason. You need a driver with linear excursion nearing 30mm, if you want to use a 12" driver tuned to such low frequency. A driver like the JLW7 or TC Sounds made high excursion series drivers would be more suitable for this very low tuning. Or go with a super-massive box with one of the popular 15 or 18" drivers. But do realize, there is no such thing as building a massive box, and not having to get into fine construction details. Failure to do so will result in substantial sound quality reduction. Such a large box will have serious resonances(related to both the physical structure and due to the internal cavity acoustics) if not addressed properly.

-Chris