OK its time to get a DVD/CD player, what to buy?

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jamie2112

Banned
I need some advice,what would you recommend as a good universal player for music and dvd? I really like the oppo stuff but I am not sure. It looks like they are the best units for the money right now. Just looking for some insight as to what to do. Thanks
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
For just regular DVD and CD, the Oppos are a very good choice. The 980 or 981 should do the trick without costing too much plus get you SACD and DVD-A also, and the 983 if you are looking to spend a little more. If looking at the 983 though, I'd probably just step up to Blu-ray.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
I need some advice,what would you recommend as a good universal player for music and dvd? I really like the oppo stuff but I am not sure. It looks like they are the best units for the money right now. Just looking for some insight as to what to do. Thanks
What you should get depends upon how much you want to spend. The Oppo DV-983H is probably the best DVD player you can get (assuming you have a compatible HDMI input on your TV). But if just over $400 is too much for you, then some other questions come up, like what, exactly, you will be playing on it, and what type of display you have.

I think the Oppos are a good deal. I have the Oppo DV-983H. You can see what I have to say about it at:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43346

In short, I think it is a great player, and I am glad I bought it. Others who have not seen it in action say that $400 is too much for it, but I don't know anyone who says that who has seen it perform.
 
jcPanny

jcPanny

Audioholic Ninja
Oppo Digital

I have one of the entry level Oppos and they make a great DVD and CD transport. It is worth a few bucks more than the $50-100 brand X DVD player. Check out the Secrets of HT site and their DVD benchmark for more specifics.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
Seems silly not to get a PS3. Short of DVD-A, it will take on all comers.
 
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bpape

Audioholic Chief
I have 3 of the Oppo's. Great players - excellent performance, especially for that kind of money. If you need BluRay, then right now IMO, the PS3 is the way to go.

Bryan
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Seems silly not to get a PS3. Short of DVD-A, it will take on all comers.
Can it be easily made to be region free? And does it convert between PAL and NTSC discs well? If no to either question, then it doesn't take on all comers short of DVD-A (not to mention the fact that it probably does not upconvert DVD Videos as well as the Oppo DV-983H).

What is best for someone to buy depends upon what, exactly, they want to do with the player. If all he or she wants to play are DVD Videos and CDs (which is all that was mentioned), then Blu-Ray, SACD, & DVD-Audio are all irrelevant. And for the things mentioned, probably nothing touches the Oppo DV-983H (because of its superb DVD Video performance).

The Oppo DV-983H is easy to make region free, handles PAL and NTSC discs superbly, converts between the two superbly, plays CD, SACD and DVD-Audio. Of course, if one wants a game system and/or Blu-Ray, then the Sony PS3 would obviously be a better choice. And if one wants "everything", then one should get both.

On the other hand, if one were hooking up the player to an old 480i analog TV, and all one wanted was DVD Video and CD playback, then neither would be a good value.

It really depends upon budget and what, exactly, one wants to do with the thing.
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
I just got my Oppo and my new Mits 65833 yesterday. Let me tell you what... that player works magic on DVDs. I tested it against 2 other DVD players in the house using Dancing with Wolves which has a lot of panning across landcapes which are notorious for artifacts. Scaled to 1080p with Oppo, I saw nothing that jumped out at me at all compared to the other players. It's fantastic what it does for your standard DVD collection.

There will be likely 2 camps here... Camp one will intimate you're stupid if you don't get/like a PS3 because it's such a no-brainer and does everything, especially blu-ray really really well - no denying that and there's probably something to that assertion. Camp 2 on the other hand views the PS3 strictly as a game console first and one that doesn't not fit in with the looks, style, or perception of their setup despite its great funtionality. Depending on what's most important to you, you're likely to fall in 1 or 2. Neither is right or wrong. I'm in Camp 2 and bought the OPPO until the new crop of blu-ray players comes out in July/August. For $150, I'm amazed by the player and would highly recommend it to anyone.
 
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Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
What is your budget?

These are Denon Certified B-Stocks that come with a full 1-yr warranty:

http://dakmart.com/itemdetails/29769/42/

http://dakmart.com/itemdetails/16446/185/

These SACD/DVD-Audio/DVD-Video/CD Universal players should match well with your Denon receiver.:D

If the people at Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity know what they are talking about, you are not giving good advice:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cd-dvd-player-product-reviews/dvd-players/oppo-digital-dv-983h-dvd-player---a-secrets-dvd-benchmark-review.html

(Warning: the following is a large page that may take some time to load):
http://69.64.68.156/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all

The Oppo players perform better, cost less, and are new instead of refurbished units. The only advantage to the Denon players is the one you mention: They match the look of Denon receivers.

See also:

http://hometheater.about.com/od/dvdproductreviews/ig/OPPO-DV-983H-HQV-Test-Results/
(Be sure to read the text, as some blurriness is a result of camera issues, not the performance of the Oppo.)

You might also want to search for other reviews. I have not found any from people doing actual testing who have said the Denons are better than the Oppos. If you find any such claims, please post a link.
 
Midcow2

Midcow2

Banned
The Panasonic DMP-BD50 is a new Blu Ray player ...

.. that replaces the DMP-BD30 which I have and it is very good. The DMP-BD50 has a retail price of $599.

If you want to go with Marantz you can get an expensive one, BD8002
 
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allargon

Audioholic General
If you need just DVD/CD/SACD/DVD-A, go with Oppo. The Oppo can also be hacked to do PAL and region free DVD. If you want Blu-Ray, DVD, CD, SACD, get a PS3. If you need DVD-A/DVD/CD/Blu-Ray but not SACD, get a Panny DMP-BD10AK. (It's discontinued, but easily found on the grey market.) If you want Blu-ray, HD DVD, DVD, CD, PAL and (hacked) region free DVD, get a LG BH200.

If you're trying to stay under $200, go with on of the Oppos.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
The Oppo players perform better, cost less, and are new instead of refurbished units. The only advantage to the Denon players is the one you mention: They match the look of Denon receivers.
Okay, so the Denon 3910 scored a 92/100 and the Oppo scored a 100/100 on PICTURE quality. And you can tell the difference in picture quality between a rating of 92 vs 100?

But what about SOUND quality?

The Denon 3910 has the same Burr-Brown PCM-1796 DSD DACs that are featured in the $5K Yamaha Z11, $7K Denon AVP-A1, $5K Denon 5308.
Can you say the same thing for the Oppo?

As far as I know, the Oppo doesn't even have Source Direct or PCM-1796 DSD DACs, so you can't even take advantage of SACD's DSD!

Oh, did you forget to include this link for the Denon 3910?
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/transports/dvd-players/denon-dvd-3910-dvd-player-review

Per Audioholics regarding the Denon 3910: "Top of the line video performance, Unsurpassed audio performance, Very good build quality."

http://www.usa.denon.com/DVD3910ProductSheet.pdf

Hmm, let's see. Then 3910 is 20.5 lbs vs the Oppo's 6 lbs weight. The 3910 has a SNR of 118dB vs the Oppo's 100dB. The 3910 has a THD of 0.0009% vs the Oppo's 0.01%.

Sure, you can argue that you may not hear a difference. But people can say the same thing about a 92 Picture rating vs 100 Picture rating.

Just because you like the Oppo better does not mean that my recommendations are bad.
 
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j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
The difference with SACD, DVD-A and CD are not that dramatic between my Oppo and my 2900. The 2900 IS better, but not by a massive margin. The PQ is better on the Oppo. The Denons aren't going to offer enough improvement IMO to justify them over the Oppos at this point in the game. If it is PQ you are after, Blu-ray is the way to go.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Okay, so the Denon 3910 scored a 92/100 and the Oppo scored a 100/100 on PICTURE quality. And you can tell the difference in picture quality between a rating of 92 vs 100?

But what about SOUND quality?

The Denon 3910 has the same Burr-Brown PCM-1796 DSD DACs that are featured in the $5K Yamaha Z11, $7K Denon AVP-A1, $5K Denon 5308.
Can you say the same thing for the Oppo?

As far as I know, the Oppo doesn't even have Source Direct or PCM-1796 DSD DACs, so you can't even take advantage of SACD's DSD!

Oh, did you forget to include this link for the Denon 3910?
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/transports/dvd-players/denon-dvd-3910-dvd-player-review

Per Audioholics regarding the Denon 3910: "Top of the line video performance, Unsurpassed audio performance, Very good build quality."

http://www.usa.denon.com/DVD3910ProductSheet.pdf

Hmm, let's see. Then 3910 is 20.5 lbs vs the Oppo's 6 lbs weight. The 3910 has a SNR of 118dB vs the Oppo's 100dB. The 3910 has a THD of 0.0009% vs the Oppo's 0.01%.

Sure, you can argue that you may not hear a difference. But people can say the same thing about a 92 Picture rating vs 100 Picture rating.

Just because you like the Oppo better does not mean that my recommendations are bad.

First of all, I never said that the Denons were bad players. They have, over the years, always had a good reputation for quality. The trouble is, they have always made you pay for it, and they have recently been surpassed by much cheaper Oppo players. (Take another look at the page that I said takes a while to load up, and you will see an expensive Denon that is impressive.)

As for audio, most people are probably going to use the HDMI output, and then the player's digital to analog converters will not be used, and consequently they will be totally irrelevant to the sound most people will get out of it. But for a review of the audio of the new Oppo DV-983H:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/dvd-player-and-cd-player-reviews/dvd-players/oppo-digital-dv-983h-dvd-player---the-rest-of-the-story.html

I'll quote their conclusion for those who won't bother to read the review:

While it is likely we will all be using HDMI from our DVD players to send both audio and video to our SSPs or receivers in the near future, measurement of the analog performance of players is still an indicator of build quality, and the Oppo DV-983H is excellent in this regard.
I might also add regarding the video, from the beginning of that review:

First of all, while I was testing the audio, I took the opportunity to enjoy DVDs as well, and I must say, I have not seen SD DVD look any better than this. I did not see any problems at all. So, it looks like this will be our reference DVD player for reviewing SD DVDs in the Movie Renter's Guide.
As for the specifications:

**Nominal specification. Actual performance exceeds the specifications. Please check independent third-party reviews for actual performance indications and measurements.
From:
http://www.oppodigital.com/dv983h/dv983h_features.asp

And, if you read the review of the audio at the previous link, you can see that it does exceed its specifications.

All in a player that retails for $400. I'd say that paying more to get less is a bad idea. You, of course, are free to disagree with me.


If one needs DSD output on a player, the Oppo DV-980H, at $169, will provide that (though it will be less good for video than the other, more expensive, Oppo players). However, I don't think it will matter for most people, because many receivers convert all incoming signals to PCM anyway for processing, such as bass management, so most people will have it converted to PCM regardless of whether or not their player outputs DSD or PCM (not to mention the fact that it is doubtful if one will be able to hear a difference between DSD converted to PCM and then to analog versus a direct conversion from DSD to analog; to determine that, one would need to carefully level match the two and listen blind, which is something that almost no one ever does, so most people are in no position to judge the matter at all).


Regarding the ratings from Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity, if you look carefully at the particular reviews, rather than just the conclusion represented in the numerical rating, you will have a better idea of whether you will see a difference or not, based upon what kind of video DVD you are watching. For a lot of viewing, there may be no difference that you will notice between the Oppo and the more expensive Denon (except for the longer time the Denons tend to pause for the layer change). Now, if the Denon were cheaper than the Oppo, it would make some sense to consider it if the particular flaws of the Denon would not be relevant for the discs one intended to play on it. But I don't think it is a good idea to pay more for one that performs less well, even if the difference in performance would never be noticed (because paying more would not make any sense if one would never notice a difference). Again, you, of course, are free to disagree with me.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Now, if the Denon were cheaper than the Oppo, it would make some sense to consider it.
Here, why spend $400 on an Oppo when you can just spend $135 on a Denon:
http://www.ecost.com/Detail.aspx?edp=35126367

Specs aside, I bet you cannot even tell the difference in either video or audio performance between the flagship Oppo and this lower end Denon DVD-1930CI.

But, of course, you are free to disagree with me.:D
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Here, why spend $400 on an Oppo when you can just spend $135 on a Denon:
http://www.ecost.com/Detail.aspx?edp=35126367

Specs aside, I bet you cannot even tell the difference in either video or audio performance between the flagship Oppo and this lower end Denon DVD-1930CI.

But, of course, you are free to disagree with me.:D

Given that I am using the HDMI for both audio and video, I expect I would not hear a difference between them. However, from seeing the Oppo in action, I expect I would see a difference. To get some idea of some real world improvements in picture that are clear to see, take a look at:

http://hometheater.about.com/od/dvdproductreviews/ig/OPPO-DV-983H-HQV-Test-Results/


To keep us from having a discussion that is too unfocused, look at:

http://hometheater.about.com/od/dvdproductreviews/ig/OPPO-DV-983H-HQV-Test-Results/OPPO-DV-983H-Moire.htm

Compare with:

http://z.about.com/d/hometheater/1/0/D/Z/racecarmoireexmaple.jpg

This kind of thing is fairly common on DVDs, and whether one's player deals with such things well or not will be very easy to see. Of course, it is not every moment of every disc that such things will be present, but it is easy to see when it isn't right. For examples of other things that can show up and look bad, take a look at the first link in this post and read all of the pages of the article, looking at the pictures and examples as you go.

With the high end Oppo, they send a test disc with such things on it. I tried it out on the new Oppo, and compared with my old player, which passed some of the Moire tests, but failed others. When it fails, it looks like crap. The new Oppo makes a difference, sometimes dramatic, sometimes not very noticeable. (I have another test disc that has things that look much better on the new player, so it isn't simply a matter of making a disc that specifically makes the Oppo look better.)

Now, how well that Denon would deal with such things is something I don't know, but it is doubtful if it could deal with them as well as the new Oppo.


I want to try to be perfectly clear about something, since this discussion seems to be rubbing you the wrong way. I don't think you are recommending bad players. Denon, as I have already said, has a longstanding reputation for making excellent DVD players. But I am saying that they are not the best value. And that makes them not a good buy, and not a good recommendation.

Judging from the reviews on line, the Denon DVD-5910, when it was originally released, was probably the best DVD player available at the time. It was, however, quite expensive. Now, judging from the reviews on line, the Oppo DV-983H is probably the best DVD player ever made. If that is so, then there is no reason to spend more than $400 (excluding shipping) on a DVD player. And if one wants to spend less, the lessor Oppos are also supposed to be a great value. The Oppo DV-981HD is supposed to be extremely good, and if Oppo had not released something better, it is what I would have purchased earlier this year. (The Oppo DV-980H, with its significantly inferior PAL to NTSC/upconversion performance, would not suit my needs, so it was never a consideration for me. For those with only NTSC DVDs, such considerations are irrelevant.)

Frankly, when one considers that the video processor in the Oppo DV-983H, when purchased as a DVDO video processor, costs literally thousands of dollars, it is amazing that the Oppo DV-983H is only $400. I would rather have the Oppo DV-980H and the appropriate DVDO processor, so that I could also send other video sources through it, but it just isn't worth a couple of extra thousand dollars to me for it.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
...judging from the reviews on line, the Oppo DV-983H is probably the best DVD player ever made...
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/transports/dvd-players/denon-dvd-3930ci/

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/transports/dvd-players/denon-dvd-5910ci

Audioholics/HQV Bench Testing Summary of Test Results

Perfect Score is 130
Denon DVD-5910CI Benchmark total score: 130/130 (The best player we've reviewed to date, matching the lower cost Denon DVD-3930CI)


According to AH, the Denon 5910 & 3930 is the BEST player.
 

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