Prices continue to rise

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Last week I placed an order for a client in OK. It was for a B&W system.

Today I just realized B&W (Sound United) just increased the prices of the 702s3 by $200/pair and HTM71s3 by $300.

We already know SU raised prices on the Marantz and Denon models a few weeks ago.

So prices continue to rise.

 

[lovinthehd]

Tariffs are still a thing let alone their uncertainty at this point, as well as shipping costs...let alone other reasons for raising prices that may exist.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Tariffs are still a thing let alone their uncertainty at this point, as well as shipping costs...let alone other reasons for raising prices that may exist.

True. All kinds of reasons why prices keep rising.

I wish I had kept my B&W 802D2 that I paid $12K brand new and Salon2 that I paid $14K brand new.

 

[lovinthehd]

True. All kinds of reasons why prices keep rising.

I wish I had kept my B&W 802D2 that I paid $12K brand new and Salon2 that I paid $14K brand new.

Hindsight is such a great "investment" tool....but speakers really aren't.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Hindsight is such a great "investment" tool....but speakers really aren't.

For sure. Definitely not a financial investment, but perhaps an emotional “investment”.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Epson recently increased the price of their LS12000 4K Laser projector from $5,000 to $6,000!

Epson EB-PU1006 price increased from $6,700 to $11,000. That's like a 40% increase!!! Tariffs? What the heck!

 

[TLS Guy]

Last week I placed an order for a client in OK. It was for a B&W system.

Today I just realized B&W (Sound United) just increased the prices of the 702s3 by $200/pair and HTM71s3 by $300.

We already know SU raised prices on the Marantz and Denon models a few weeks ago.

So prices continue to rise.

What can you expect with that lunatic Trump inflicting damage left right and center?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Good grief. I suppose he is surrounding you and also in back of you. Perhaps TDS is an ATMOS thing.

Pay attention:
Economists Wrong Again: Wholesale Inflation Remained Unchanged In June
"It's almost like the economics profession doesn't fully understand tariffs."

Economists Wrong Again: Wholesale Inflation Remained Unchanged In June

The producer price index, which measures wholesale costs in the United States, showed no change last month, defying the expectations of economists who have predicted for months that Americans would soon feel the pain of President Donald Trump’s tariffs.The seasonally adjusted producer price...

www.dailywire.com

I don’t know anything about economics, but I don’t like paying $1-4K more in just a few months!

 

[TLS Guy]

Good grief. I suppose he is surrounding you and also in back of you. Perhaps TDS is an ATMOS thing.

Pay attention:
Economists Wrong Again: Wholesale Inflation Remained Unchanged In June
"It's almost like the economics profession doesn't fully understand tariffs."

Economists Wrong Again: Wholesale Inflation Remained Unchanged In June

The producer price index, which measures wholesale costs in the United States, showed no change last month, defying the expectations of economists who have predicted for months that Americans would soon feel the pain of President Donald Trump’s tariffs.The seasonally adjusted producer price...

www.dailywire.com

There is a delay working though the economy, and the latest figures show a 2.7% annual rise with a core price rise of 2.9%. Simple math tells you this is just the start and will get worse.

History tells is what dreadful economic havoc tariffs cause. Trump is an ignorant "twat" with no grasp of history whatsoever.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

It will get much worse. I'm beginning to suspect it's the whole point...

 

[Trell]

The rest of the world has been tariffing the s**t out of America for seven decades.

You're very wrong, as usual.

 

[TLS Guy]

The rest of the world has been tariffing the s**t out of America for seven decades. It didn't hurt their economies. The Marshall Plan was instituted so tariffs could help countries rebuild after WWII.

And, since you know there is a delay, you can't blame Trump or recent tariffs for the price increases. DO tell me about your grasp of history...

Just for starters it is widely acknowledged that tariff wars were one of the root causes of the "great depression."

I will blame Trump for what is happening now, as his nonsense works its way through the markets. It is widely acknowledged, and actually bleeping obvious, that tariffs have to pass through to the consumer eventually. If you can't understand that simple math problem, then you are as dumb as Trump and that's dumb for sure.

 

[TLS Guy]

Just for starters it is widely acknowledged that tariff wars were one of the root causes of the "great depression."

I will blame Trump for what is happening now, as his nonsense works its way through the markets. It is widely acknowledged, and actually bleeping obvious, that tariffs have to pass through to the consumer eventually. If you can't understand that simple math problem, then you are as dumb as Trump and that's dumb for sure.

You obviously failed even elementary school math for that dumb rating.

 

[Trell]

You never have anything to say other than someone else is wrong. Add some intelligent and factual words.

Now that's the pot calling the kettle black.

The rest of the world has been living off tariffs on American goods. Fact. The game has changed. Get over it.

So what are the levels of those tariffs then, since the rest of the world is living off tariffs?

For EU the average tariff on US goods is a whopping 1%.

>>>What is the current average tariff rate charged by the EU on imports from the US? What is the current average tariff rate charged by the US on imports from the EU?

For technical reasons, there is not one “absolute” figure for the average tariffs on EU-US trade, as this calculation can be done in a variety of ways which produce quite varied results. Nevertheless, considering the actual trade in goods between the EU and US, in practice the average tariff rate on both sides is approximately 1%. In 2023, the US collected approximately €7 billion of tariffs on EU exports, and the EU collected approximately €3 billion on US exports.
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Questions and Answers on the US reciprocal tariff policy

What is the current value of EU-US trade and investment?\n\nTotal bilateral trade in goods reached €851 billion in 2023. The EU exported €503 billion of goods to the US market, while importing €347 bill

ec.europa.eu

 

[Trell]

America lived off tariffs from 1870 - 1913 and we were swimming in money.

In 1913 the Federal Reserve was started, and, the personal income tax was started.

US were swimming in money due to tariffs, and now you claim that tariffs now will do the same?

You're quite ignorant, as usual. So here is from a post of mine in February from a reputable source that have credible sources, so I'll copy it below (https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/the-purge.129838/page-10#post-1668293):

Have a look at the graphs below and say what you want to cut.

>>>That was when there was no Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, and even the military was tiny. You can read about it in https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/never-underestimate-the-ignorance but here are a couple of figures.

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[Trell]

Crown Prince of Bahrain Announces $17 Billion in U.S. Investments During Meeting with Trump

Crown Prince of Bahrain Announces $17 Billion in U.S. Investments

Crown Prince and Prime Minister Salman bin Hamad Al Khalifa announced that Bahraini companies are investing $17 billion in the United States.

www.breitbart.com

One more example of the record pace at which foreign investment is coming into the USA.

It's more like a bribe than an investment from one corrupt authoritarian to another corrupt authoritarian that is also a convicted felon and a rapist.

As for investments one should look at the bond market, and after the Trump "Liberation Day" it had the signs of a potential financial crisis: The market yield for 10-year Treasuries went up while the dollar fell. This is capital flight.

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Yesterday [Jun 02, 2025] the Financial Times had a neat chart showing that there used to be a clear relationship between U.S. interest rates and the international value of the dollar. Actually, the chart was a bit too neat: When I set out to reproduce it, I found that the FT chose a time period during which the relationship looked especially clear. Still, it used to be true that when U.S. interest rates rose, so did the dollar, because higher yields pulled in foreign capital. But since Donald Trump returned to power, that relationship has broken down. Instead, we’ve seen a combination of rising interest rates and a falling dollar:

As many have noted, what we’ve been seeing in recent months, with interest rates and the dollar moving in opposite directions, doesn’t look like what we normally see in the United States, or for that matter advanced nations in general. Instead, it’s the kind of thing one sees in emerging markets, where big market moves often reflect crises of confidence: International investors lose faith, pulling their money out, and capital flight causes both a falling currency and rising interest rates.

Here, for example, is what Mexico looked like during the “tequila crisis” of 1994-5, which involved both soaring interest rates and a plunging peso:

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We Are No Longer a Serious Country

And the world is starting to notice

paulkrugman.substack.com

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I don't like price increases either! The price of the woofers in my DIY system went up 40% last October. Should I blame Biden for that increase? Some rational thought should prevail.

When I talked to the reps from Epson, B&W, Marantz/Denon, they blamed it on the tariffs for the price increase.

Do you think that’s just an easy excuse (since everyone seems to be using it) and that it’s really caused by inflation and other causes?

A projector cost increase from $6,700 to $11,000 in a few months is ridiculous. And to think that Epson did this because they are just using the tariffs excuse?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

It will get much worse. I'm beginning to suspect it's the whole point...

Worse than a price increase from $6,700 to $11,000 in a few months?

I hope not.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Worse than a price increase from $6,700 to $11,000 in a few months?

I hope not.

I wasn't referring to these price hikes, but in general. I see every day a new attack on science, education, health, Technology, and liberties. I estimate his first term took us backward about 10-15 years. About 5 years of that we were able to claw back (barely) just to throw us back another 10 years, and it's just been 6.5 months...
Compared to all that price of high end a/v equipment is not on my priority list. I really do hope I'm proven wrong.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Your printer went from $6.7K to $11K. The tariffs are on the import prices. I'd say there are multiple reasons. That's a stiff increase.

The AV10 went from $7K to $8K. It had been the same price for 2 years.

There are excuses And reasons. A manufacturer or rep will use what is useful to them as stated reasons.

I read that car prices are decreasing. Are they decreasing?

About 4 years ago, I concluded that prices on lots of things were going to go crazy - long before Trump and tariffs. I planned as much as I could. Plans aren't perfect. You can't always get what you want - and you know the rest...

The Epson EB-PU1006W is a Projector, not a printer.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1671256-REG/epson_v11ha35920_eb_pu1006w_6_000_lumen_wuxga_laser.html

Yeah the Marantz AV10 went from $7K to $8K.

The Epson LS12000 Projector went from $5K to $6K.

Definitely huge increases.

So maybe it’s a mix of tariffs + inflation since everything is costing more and more every year.

Oh, what was your PLAN in anticipation of all the inflation/price increase?

Buy the AV10 when it was $7K before it went to $8K?